Sauber cancel engine deal with Honda

Published on 27 Jul 2017 16:06

By: Fergal Walsh

The deal between Sauber and Honda appear to be off. Earlier this year, it was announced that Sauber would ditch Ferrari and take up a deal with Honda in order to run with cheaper engines. Sauber also announced that its 2018 engine partner will be announced shortly.

There has been some tension surrounding the agreement ever since Monisha Kaltenborn departed the team on the build up to the Azerbaijan Grand Prix. The decision has been due to "strategic reasons" and "the best intent for the future", according to new team principal Frederic Vasseur.

"It is very unfortunate that we have to discontinue the planned collaboration with Honda at this stage. However, this decision has been made for strategic reasons, and with the best intent for the future of the Sauber F1 Team in mind. We would like to thank Honda for their collaboration, and wish them all the best for their future in Formula One."

Masashi Yamamoto, General Manager at Honda, added: "We had built a good relationship with Sauber, and had been looking forward to entering the 2018 F1 season together. However, during discussions after management changes at the team, we reached a mutual agreement to call-off the project due to differences in the future directions of both parties. We would like to thank Sauber for their cooperation, and wish them all the best for their future."

What next for Sauber?

Sauber, of course, is running with year-old Ferrari power in 2017 which is damaging its season in terms of performance. Sauber's new engine partner will be revealed shortly, but it's expected that the team will remain with Ferrari. With two Ferrari youngsters (Antonio Giovinazzi and Charles Leclerc) waiting in the wings, Ferrari may offer Sauber an up-to-date power unit at a lower price, with the agreement of fielding one (or even two) of its junior drivers.

Similarly, Mercedes may offer something similar. Currently, Pascal Wehrlein is racing for the Swiss outfit as a Mercedes junior, even though the team is supplied by Mercedes' rivals, Ferrari. Mercedes may also dish out an engine deal at a lower price to keep Wehrlein at the team.

Fergal Walsh

Smiler121

Posts: 53

Right now heading more towards no Honda!

1
Jul 27 2017 - 17:09

F1 News Ferrari Sauber Honda

Replies (12)

f1fan0101

Posts: 1,804
Wow, sucks for Honda
- + 0
- Jul 27 2017 - 16:20
JoeGreen84

Posts: 30
Strong call. too strong for Katlebourn. Not sure she would have made sucha bold call
- + 0
- Jul 27 2017 - 16:29
F1racefan97

Posts: 113
Is it really the best thing for sauber money wise? Honda would be much cheaper... But Ferrari do want their youth drivers on the grid
- + 0
- Jul 27 2017 - 16:33
Rardon

Posts: 4
What now? Williams-Honda? Another great combination from the past... Although that doesn't seem a guaranty for
success.. ;-)
- + 0
- Jul 27 2017 - 16:34
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  Not likely. Williams is far too content with their Mercedes deal.
  + 1
  
  Jul 27 2017 - 17:15
boudy

Posts: 1,168
Toro rosso honda.....
- + 0
- Jul 27 2017 - 16:47
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  I could see that. Else, Red Bull will stick with Renault until the new PU regulations set in.
  + 0
  
  Jul 27 2017 - 17:16
Smiler121

Posts: 53
Right now heading more towards no Honda!
- + 1
- Jul 27 2017 - 17:09
calle.itw

Posts: 8,527
A pity, but I can understand why.
- + 0
- Jul 27 2017 - 17:17
Bhurt

Posts: 320
Encouraging to see Longbow and Sauber display some aggression and ambition! The new owners aren't just in F1 to participate (the way Kaltenborn ran the team) but to be competitive. This is great news for Sauber, Formula 1 and everyone who wants to see competitive racing.

Also says quite a lot about the state Honda is in that not even the worst team on the grid would run their engines for free.
- + 0
- Jul 27 2017 - 23:03
- boudy
  
  Posts: 1,168
  Love to see sauber more competitive. Drop wehrlein in favour of lec/gio. Replace eri with up and coming talent.
  + 0
  
  Jul 28 2017 - 00:43
- calle.itw
  
  Posts: 8,527
  But is it agression to stay with what they've used for so long? And something that hasnt helped them to become competitive at that.
  + 0
  
  Jul 29 2017 - 19:41

Total queries: 4
Total time: 0.2328519821167
time	sincestart	caller	annotate	bt	desc
	0.000451				instantiate query log (0Q - total module time: 0.00067496s)	""
	0.001131				boot (0Q - total module time: 0.00011396s)	""
	0.001248				translation-init (1Q - total module time: 0.00200105s)	""
0.00095415	0.002282	/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/index.php		/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/dbal/lib/Doctrine/DBAL/Statement.php:189(stopQuery) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Repository/Redirect.php:105(execute) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Entities/Redirect.php:112(findByOrigin) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/Redirects.php:108(getRedirectOrFalse) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Router.php:115(checkForDBRedirects) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/website.php:260(execute) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/index.php:11(require_once)	SELECT redirects.id, redirects.origin, redirects.referer FROM redirects WHERE redirects.origin = :origin ORDER BY id	{"origin":"\/en\/news\/f1\/229506\/sauber-cancel-engine-deal-with-honda"}
	0.003253				controller::news/f1/229506/sauber-cancel-engine-deal-with-honda (2Q - total module time: 0.11295104s)	""
0.00731993	0.004019	/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php		/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/dbal/lib/Doctrine/DBAL/Statement.php:189(stopQuery) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Repository/Article.php:389(execute) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php:127(findNextArticle) {"function":"F1T\\Controllers\\{closure}","class":"F1T\\Controllers\\News","object":{"current_page":"news"},"type":"->","args":[]} /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/Cache.php:144(call_user_func) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php:158(lazyFetch) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php:47(action_Index) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Router.php:269(dispatch) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Router.php:195(_load) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/website.php:260(execute) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/index.php:11(require_once)	SELECT Articles.ArticleId AS ArticleId, Articles.RewriteUrl AS RewriteUrl, Articles.ArticleType as ArticleType, Articles.Category as Category, Articles.cntnlang AS cntnlang, RacingSeries.RewriteUrl AS RacingSeriesRewriteUrl FROM Articles INNER JOIN RacingSeries ON Articles.RacingSerieId = RacingSeries.RacingSerieId WHERE Articles.cntnlang = :siteLang AND Articles.SiteId = :siteId AND Articles.Activated = 1 AND Articles.PublishDate < :publishDate AND Articles.ArticleType IN (:param0, :param1, :param2) AND Articles.ArticleId > :articleId ORDER BY Articles.ArticleId ASC LIMIT 1	{"siteLang":"en","siteId":"1","publishDate":"2026-02-04 11:55:00","articleId":229506,":param0":"Nieuws",":param1":"LiveRaceReport",":param2":"Liveblog"}
0.07774901	0.011399	/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php		/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/dbal/lib/Doctrine/DBAL/Statement.php:189(stopQuery) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Repository/Article.php:318(execute) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php:128(findPrevArticle) {"function":"F1T\\Controllers\\{closure}","class":"F1T\\Controllers\\News","object":{"current_page":"news"},"type":"->","args":[]} /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/Cache.php:144(call_user_func) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php:158(lazyFetch) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php:47(action_Index) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Router.php:269(dispatch) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Router.php:195(_load) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/website.php:260(execute) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/index.php:11(require_once)	SELECT Articles.ArticleId AS ArticleId, Articles.RewriteUrl AS RewriteUrl, Articles.ArticleType as ArticleType, Articles.Category as Category, Articles.cntnlang AS cntnlang, RacingSeries.RewriteUrl AS RacingSeriesRewriteUrl FROM Articles INNER JOIN RacingSeries ON Articles.RacingSerieId = RacingSeries.RacingSerieId WHERE Articles.cntnlang = :siteLang AND Articles.SiteId = :siteId AND Articles.Activated = 1 AND Articles.PublishDate < :publishDate AND Articles.ArticleType IN (:param0, :param1, :param2) AND Articles.ArticleId < :articleId ORDER BY Articles.ArticleId DESC LIMIT 1	{"siteLang":"en","siteId":"1","publishDate":"2026-02-04 11:55:00","articleId":229506,":param0":"Nieuws",":param1":"LiveRaceReport",":param2":"Liveblog"}
	0.116208		cacheAble: yes		module:News\Result (0Q - total module time: 0.00040507s)	""
	0.116615		cacheAble: yes		module:News\Photos (0Q - total module time: 0.00011396s)	""
	0.116732		cacheAble: yes		module:News\Trending (0Q - total module time: 0.00012207s)	""
	0.116857		cacheAble: yes		module:News\Reply (1Q - total module time: 0.11211085s)	""
0.10588193	0.117439	/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Repository/CommentVotes.php		/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/dbal/lib/Doctrine/DBAL/Connection.php:1323(stopQuery) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/orm/lib/Doctrine/ORM/Query/Exec/SingleSelectExecutor.php:31(executeQuery) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/orm/lib/Doctrine/ORM/Query.php:325(execute) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/orm/lib/Doctrine/ORM/AbstractQuery.php:1212(_doExecute) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/orm/lib/Doctrine/ORM/AbstractQuery.php:1166(executeIgnoreQueryCache) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/orm/lib/Doctrine/ORM/AbstractQuery.php:901(execute) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Repository/CommentVotes.php:192(getResult) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/CommentVotesManager.php:46(getCommentVotesByVoteIp) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Modules/News/Reply.php:101(getCommentVotesByIP) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/ModuleBase.php:115(internalRender) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/ModuleBase.php:89(captureOutput) {"function":"F1T\\{closure}","class":"F1T\\ModuleBase","object":{"_amp":false},"type":"->","args":[]} /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/Cache.php:144(call_user_func) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/ModuleBase.php:92(lazyFetch) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/ViewRenderer/TwigExtensions/ModuleRenderer.php:35(fetch) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Environment.php(418) : eval()'d code:549(renderModule) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:182(block_mainContent) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Environment.php(418) : eval()'d code:62(displayBlock) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:182(block_content) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Environment.php(418) : eval()'d code:715(displayBlock) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:405(doDisplay) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:378(displayWithErrorHandling) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Environment.php(418) : eval()'d code:45(display) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:405(doDisplay) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:378(displayWithErrorHandling) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Environment.php(418) : eval()'d code:46(display) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:405(doDisplay) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:378(displayWithErrorHandling) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:390(display) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/TemplateWrapper.php:45(render) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Environment.php:318(render) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/ViewRenderer/TwigRenderer.php:115(render) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/ViewTrait.php:98(render) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/ViewTrait.php:79(renderViewFile) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/website.php:261(render) /var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/index.php:11(require_once)	SELECT c0_.CommentId AS CommentId_0, c1_.Vote AS Vote_1 FROM Comments c0_ INNER JOIN CommentVotes c1_ ON (c1_.CommentId = c0_.CommentId) WHERE c0_.ArticleId = ? AND c1_.VoteIp = ?	[229506,"216.73.216.130"]
	0.228972		cacheAble: no		module:Sidebar (0Q - total module time: 0.00041008s)	""
	0.229386				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00001502s)	""
	0.229402				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::gpschedule (0Q - total module time: 0.00000286s)	""
	0.229405		cacheAble: yes		module:GpSchedule (0Q - total module time: 0.00014400s)	""
	0.229551				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::results (0Q - total module time: 0.00000501s)	""
	0.229557		cacheAble: yes		module:Results (0Q - total module time: 0.00013494s)	""
	0.229694				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::testcalendar (0Q - total module time: 0.00000286s)	""
	0.229698		cacheAble: yes		module:TestCalendar (0Q - total module time: 0.00011206s)	""
	0.229813				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00000501s)	""
	0.229819				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00000095s)	""
	0.229821				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::relatednews (0Q - total module time: 0.00000310s)	""
	0.229824		cacheAble: yes		module:RelatedNews (0Q - total module time: 0.00006294s)	""
	0.229889				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::whoischatting (0Q - total module time: 0.00000477s)	""
	0.229896				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00000191s)	""
	0.229899				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::poll (0Q - total module time: 0.00000215s)	""
	0.229901		cacheAble: no		module:Poll (0Q - total module time: 0.00175786s)	""
	0.231662				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00000691s)	""
	0.231669				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00000215s)	""
	0.231672				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::gpcalendar (0Q - total module time: 0.00000191s)	""
	0.231675		cacheAble: yes		module:GpCalendar (0Q - total module time: 0.00013208s)	""
	0.231809				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::driver_Info (0Q - total module time: 0.00000596s)	""
	0.231816		cacheAble: no		module:Driver\Info (0Q - total module time: 0.00002003s)	""
	0.231837				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::team_Info (0Q - total module time: 0.00000286s)	""
	0.231841		cacheAble: yes		module:Team\Info (0Q - total module time: 0.00010586s)	""
	0.231949				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::linkedKeywords (0Q - total module time: 0.00000501s)	""
	0.231956				sidebar:sidebar-news-read::gpsidebarnavigation (0Q - total module time: 0.00000191s)	""
	0.231959		cacheAble: no		module:GpSidebarNavigation (0Q - total module time: 0.00031996s)	""
	0.232280		cacheAble: yes		module:Layout\Footer (0Q - total module time: 0.00009394s)	""
	0.232377		cacheAble: yes		module:News\Breaking (0Q - total module time: 0.00046992s)	""
	0.232850				done	""

Sauber cancel engine deal with Honda

Smiler121

Trending news

Replies (12)

f1fan0101

JoeGreen84

F1racefan97

Rardon

calle.itw

boudy

calle.itw

Smiler121

calle.itw

Bhurt

boudy

calle.itw

Grand Prix of Belgium

Friday

Saturday

Sunday

Race / Startgrid

Grand Prix of Belgium

Friday

Saturday

Sunday

Friday

Saturday

Sunday

World Championship standings 2023

Test calendar

Related news

test 2

Can Racing Go Mainstream In The US?

LIVE Updates: Follow the third day of the F1 Pre-season test in Bahrain

LIVE Updates: Follow the second day of the F1 Pre-season test in Bahrain

Give your opinion!

Will Bottas challenge Hamilton for the world championship in 2020?

Formula 1 Calendar - 2024

Formula 1 Calendar - 2024

Team profile