Renault out of patience with Red Bull delays

I dissagree. Renault as on of the biggest car and engine manufacturer of the world does not need RBR money for developing their PU. They now have McL and them selves as a works team and will be better off RBR.

I with CALLE.ITW in that RB are stalling for time.

Looks like the decision is already made. Renault are getting a bit of their own medicine; so many times promises were made with regards to better performance, power and they failed to bring the power unit close enough to Mercedes or Ferrari. In the hybrid era their performance has been the worst bar one.

Are they taking a punt on Honda, damn right they are. However the combination of Honda and Redbull could spell problems to likes of Mercedes and Ferrari. The only question is if they are able to continually bring performance upgrades. I think they showed that they can and they are.

If you compare were McLaren are now and Toro Rosso than there is not much between them. I think that TR and Honda are doing a great job. Honda seems to thrive on positive attitudes which is great to see.

They really seem to work together much better than McLaren and Honda ever did. I think a divorce was the best thing that could happen to either party really. For McLaren, it was a wake up call, showing where they actually are. For Honda, it was a second chance with a works partner that gave them more freedom.

Is Honda able to bring out a steady stream of updates? Yes. This can be seen if we look at previous seasons. Will they be able to do enough to catch up with the rest? That is hard to say right now, but in theory it isnt impossible. The Sakura base is on par with what Mercedes have (Martin Brundle's words, not mine), meaning they should be able to get something good out. I wasnt sure if they would be able to pass Renault during 2018, but looking at the kinda boost they had in Canada, I am now.

@Calle I think you give too much credit to Toro Rosso with regards to the partnership with Honda. It's not like "more freedom" suddenly made the Honda PU engine reliable. The only reason things are reasonably good right now is because of the catastrophic failures of the last 3 years. Toro Rosso were just very fortunate that Honda was available at that time.

@SPJ thing is, Im not sure I do. At STR, the pressure is off on media side of things, and allegedly they also havent really asked Honda to do certain things, instead opting to let them develop at their own. Remember, McLaren kept asking them to shrink the PU, when maybe power, reliability and efficiency were better goals. But ultimately, I think STR came in ready to reap what was already coming.

And they pay for that privilege, and for the fact they run an different oil. Can't blame redbull just see where the Renault team is, they are picking up some minor points. It would be good if renault and redbull go their different ways.

Its time for Renault to keep faith in their investment, and expel the poor partners. Its a win-win for both, as RB's involvement will provide more data and inputs for Honda. Its not like Renault Engines are free.

Good points, but for Red Bull they are sorta free, or at least not as expensive as they could be, due to TAG Heuer footing a big bit of the bill. But yes, I think this could be another case of a mutually beneficial divorce.

Its just a show for the peanut gsllery methinks. Renault says this, Red Bull retaliate with that, Renault concedes and agrees to do that just a bit longer, etc.

exactly, that is what the hold up is for sure.