Pirelli: High degradation tyres 'probably not right'

  • Published on 06 Nov 2018 11:18
  • comments 6
  • By: Fergal Walsh

Pirelli's F1 chief Mario Isola says that high degradation tyres are probably not the best option for Formula 1. The Italian manufacturer has been given the task of producing tyres that lose grip quickly in order to change up strategies and makes races more unpredictable. 

However, Isola points out that teams have developed a good sense of how to preserve life in the tyre, which allows them to make one stop strategies by not pushing hard. Drivers complained about the wear in Mexico just under two weeks ago, comparing the hyper softs after three laps to "like driving on wets."

But Isola says drivers welcomed the move towards high degradation tyres: “Negative comments are never nice,” he said. “I accept negative comments or criticism because if they are made in a good way they are useful to improve.

“I think the big step was in 2015 when we had the first target letter. The target letter now is appended to the new tender so it means that the document was successful. And the target letter was agreed not only with FIA and FOM but also with the teams and the drivers. So don’t forget that also the drivers were involved in the target letter.

“Ideally for the future we would like to have another target letter with new numbers, new conditions, new targets agreed with the drivers also. Because they drive the car, they have to tell us what they want. Then it’s a compromise between everybody. But it’s important to have them onboard."

RacetoWin

Posts: 95

The Pirelli era needs to end, they need to fined and punished for the terrible architecture of their tire design. they have failed the regulations and have used their current monopoly to bully f1 into pressure rules that should not be in f1.


When f1 opened the door to Pirelli, f1 stated there w... [Read more]

  • 1
  • Nov 6 2018 - 13:00

Replies (6)

Login to reply
  • I think f1 will move away from high deg. tyres anyway when the blankets get scrspped... assuming they do get scrapped this time.

    • + 0
    • Nov 6 2018 - 12:03
  • RacetoWin

    Posts: 95

    The Pirelli era needs to end, they need to fined and punished for the terrible architecture of their tire design. they have failed the regulations and have used their current monopoly to bully f1 into pressure rules that should not be in f1.


    When f1 opened the door to Pirelli, f1 stated there will not be a minimum tire pressure,(something Pirelli was actually asking for) after multiple tire failures caused by poor design and against f1's will a minimum tire pressure that Pirelli request had been put in place. (I'm sure all teams have installed pressure bleeders in their rims to keep the tire from going higher than the minimum set pressure.) Pirelli should have had until winter of that season to produce a better designed tire or f1 could switch to older bridgestone or Michelin design tires.


    F1 has lost its way, hopefully the new owners fix the poor quality of the tire regulations and get f1 back to being able to beat the pole position time in an actual race and not the current 6 to 10 seconds a lap slower in the race because drivers cant push their tires without destroying them.


    this new era of thermally sensitive tires to overheating has been dreadful, high minimum pressures of 21+ psi vs the old days 11+ psi is a huge difference and creates more heat in the tire at the surface and has a small 5c operating window.

    engineering has taken over f1 the last 5 years, brake cooling has been in the forefront to remove the heat away from the wheel so the tires don't over heat, new wing designs to cool the tires and rims that have thermal barriers.

    (BORING) the fuel limit per lap is bad too, isn't having a hybrid engine good enough?

    • + 1
    • Nov 6 2018 - 13:00
    • f1dave

      Posts: 782

      I agree fully. Limiting the amount of telemetry collected and used during a race and penalties for the number of components used should also be scrapped as well.

      • + 0
      • Nov 6 2018 - 15:26
    • Increase fuel loads so fuel saving wont be needed, and increase amounts of allocations. An allocation cap can still make sense, but the current 3 are ridiculously low. 5 is a good number.

      • + 0
      • Nov 6 2018 - 20:25
    • f1dave

      Posts: 782

      What does the allocation cap do? It doesn't cut costs because every team still uses more than the allocated amount. The only way it makes sense is if after using your three units you're out for the season. Penalizing drivers doesn't cut costs.

      • + 0
      • Nov 7 2018 - 03:37
    • Thing is, had we had 5, the majority of them wouldnt use more than the allowed allocations, meaning costs could be cut. It would also be a sweetspot in terms of allowing more upgrades to be taken and in terms of dev costs. I also think there should be some exception if the PU were to be destroyed in an incident out of a driver's control, I dont like how the current system penalizes drivers for having been involved in incidents they didnt cause.

      • + 0
      • Nov 7 2018 - 06:03

BE Grand Prix of Belgium

Local time 

BEGrand Prix of Belgium

Local time 

World Championship standings 2023

Show full world champion standings

Test calendar

See full test schedule

Related news

Give your opinion!

Will Bottas challenge Hamilton for the world championship in 2020?

Formula 1 Calendar - 2024

Date
Grand Prix
Circuit
-
Bahrain
29 - Mar 2 2024
Bahrain
7 - Mar 9 2024
Saudi Arabia
22 - Mar 24 2024
Australia
5 - Apr 7 2024
Japan
19 - Apr 21 2024
China
3 - May 5 2024
United States of America
17 - May 19 2024
Italy
24 - May 26 2024
Monaco
7 - Jun 9 2024
Canada
21 - Jun 23 2024
Spain
28 - Jun 30 2024
Austria
5 - Jul 7 2024
United Kingdom
19 - Jul 21 2024
Hungary
26 - Jul 28 2024
Belgium
23 - Aug 25 2024
Netherlands
30 - Sep 1 2024
Italy
13 - Sep 15 2024
Azerbaijan
20 - Sep 22 2024
Singapore
18 - Oct 20 2024
United States of America
25 - Oct 27 2024
Mexico
1 - Nov 3 2024
Brazil
22 - Nov 24 2024
United States of America
29 - Dec 1 2024
Qatar
6 - Dec 8 2024
United Arab Emirates
See full schedule

Formula 1 Calendar - 2024

Date
Grand Prix & Circuit
29 - Mar 2 2024
7 - Mar 9 2024
Saudi Arabia Jeddah Street Circuit
22 - Mar 24 2024
Australia Albert Park
5 - Apr 7 2024
19 - Apr 21 2024
3 - May 5 2024
United States of America Miami International Autodrome
17 - May 19 2024
24 - May 26 2024
Monaco Monte Carlo
7 - Jun 9 2024
21 - Jun 23 2024
28 - Jun 30 2024
Austria Red Bull Ring
5 - Jul 7 2024
United Kingdom Silverstone
19 - Jul 21 2024
Hungary Hungaroring
26 - Jul 28 2024
23 - Aug 25 2024
Netherlands Circuit Zandvoort
30 - Sep 1 2024
Italy Monza
13 - Sep 15 2024
Azerbaijan Baku City Circuit
20 - Sep 22 2024
18 - Oct 20 2024
United States of America Circuit of the Americas
25 - Oct 27 2024
1 - Nov 3 2024
Brazil Interlagos
22 - Nov 24 2024
United States of America Las Vegas Street Circuit
29 - Dec 1 2024
6 - Dec 8 2024
United Arab Emirates Yas Marina Circuit
See full schedule

Team profile

  • Team name Pirelli
  • Base Milan, Italy
Show full profile
show sidebar

Total queries: 4
Total time: 0.11183214187622
timesincestartcallerannotatebtdesc
0.000410
instantiate query log (0Q - total module time: 0.00053000s)
""
0.000945
boot (0Q - total module time: 0.00018287s)
""
0.001131
translation-init (1Q - total module time: 0.00104189s)
""
0.000272990.001888/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/index.php/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/dbal/lib/Doctrine/DBAL/Statement.php:189(stopQuery)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Repository/Redirect.php:105(execute)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Entities/Redirect.php:112(findByOrigin)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/Redirects.php:108(getRedirectOrFalse)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Router.php:115(checkForDBRedirects)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/website.php:260(execute)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/index.php:11(require_once)
SELECT redirects.id, redirects.origin, redirects.referer FROM redirects WHERE redirects.origin = :origin ORDER BY id
{"origin":"\/en\/news\/f1\/242804\/pirelli-high-degradation-tyres-probably-not-right"}
0.002176
controller::news/f1/242804/pirelli-high-degradation-tyres-probably-not-right (2Q - total module time: 0.07603002s)
""
0.006871940.002825/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/dbal/lib/Doctrine/DBAL/Statement.php:189(stopQuery)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Repository/Article.php:389(execute)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php:127(findNextArticle)
{"function":"F1T\\Controllers\\{closure}","class":"F1T\\Controllers\\News","object":{"current_page":"news"},"type":"->","args":[]}
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/Cache.php:144(call_user_func)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php:158(lazyFetch)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php:47(action_Index)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Router.php:269(dispatch)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Router.php:195(_load)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/website.php:260(execute)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/index.php:11(require_once)
SELECT Articles.ArticleId AS ArticleId, Articles.RewriteUrl AS RewriteUrl, Articles.ArticleType as ArticleType, Articles.Category as Category, Articles.cntnlang AS cntnlang, RacingSeries.RewriteUrl AS RacingSeriesRewriteUrl FROM Articles INNER JOIN RacingSeries ON Articles.RacingSerieId = RacingSeries.RacingSerieId WHERE Articles.cntnlang = :siteLang AND Articles.SiteId = :siteId AND Articles.Activated = 1 AND Articles.PublishDate < :publishDate AND Articles.ArticleType IN (:param0, :param1, :param2) AND Articles.ArticleId > :articleId ORDER BY Articles.ArticleId ASC LIMIT 1
{"siteLang":"en","siteId":"1","publishDate":"2026-02-04 14:59:00","articleId":242804,":param0":"Nieuws",":param1":"LiveRaceReport",":param2":"Liveblog"}
0.040172100.009726/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/dbal/lib/Doctrine/DBAL/Statement.php:189(stopQuery)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Repository/Article.php:318(execute)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php:128(findPrevArticle)
{"function":"F1T\\Controllers\\{closure}","class":"F1T\\Controllers\\News","object":{"current_page":"news"},"type":"->","args":[]}
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/Cache.php:144(call_user_func)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php:158(lazyFetch)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Controllers/News.php:47(action_Index)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Router.php:269(dispatch)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Router.php:195(_load)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/website.php:260(execute)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/index.php:11(require_once)
SELECT Articles.ArticleId AS ArticleId, Articles.RewriteUrl AS RewriteUrl, Articles.ArticleType as ArticleType, Articles.Category as Category, Articles.cntnlang AS cntnlang, RacingSeries.RewriteUrl AS RacingSeriesRewriteUrl FROM Articles INNER JOIN RacingSeries ON Articles.RacingSerieId = RacingSeries.RacingSerieId WHERE Articles.cntnlang = :siteLang AND Articles.SiteId = :siteId AND Articles.Activated = 1 AND Articles.PublishDate < :publishDate AND Articles.ArticleType IN (:param0, :param1, :param2) AND Articles.ArticleId < :articleId ORDER BY Articles.ArticleId DESC LIMIT 1
{"siteLang":"en","siteId":"1","publishDate":"2026-02-04 14:59:00","articleId":242804,":param0":"Nieuws",":param1":"LiveRaceReport",":param2":"Liveblog"}
0.078210 cacheAble: yes
module:News\Result (0Q - total module time: 0.00040889s)
""
0.078621 cacheAble: yes
module:News\Photos (0Q - total module time: 0.00011086s)
""
0.078735 cacheAble: yes
module:News\Trending (0Q - total module time: 0.00010395s)
""
0.078841 cacheAble: yes
module:News\Reply (1Q - total module time: 0.02943301s)
""
0.024070020.079328/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Repository/CommentVotes.php/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/dbal/lib/Doctrine/DBAL/Connection.php:1323(stopQuery)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/orm/lib/Doctrine/ORM/Query/Exec/SingleSelectExecutor.php:31(executeQuery)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/orm/lib/Doctrine/ORM/Query.php:325(execute)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/orm/lib/Doctrine/ORM/AbstractQuery.php:1212(_doExecute)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/orm/lib/Doctrine/ORM/AbstractQuery.php:1166(executeIgnoreQueryCache)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/doctrine/orm/lib/Doctrine/ORM/AbstractQuery.php:901(execute)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Repository/CommentVotes.php:192(getResult)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/CommentVotesManager.php:46(getCommentVotesByVoteIp)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Modules/News/Reply.php:101(getCommentVotesByIP)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/ModuleBase.php:115(internalRender)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/ModuleBase.php:89(captureOutput)
{"function":"F1T\\{closure}","class":"F1T\\ModuleBase","object":{"_amp":false},"type":"->","args":[]}
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/Cache.php:144(call_user_func)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/ModuleBase.php:92(lazyFetch)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/ViewRenderer/TwigExtensions/ModuleRenderer.php:35(fetch)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Environment.php(418) : eval()'d code:549(renderModule)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:182(block_mainContent)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Environment.php(418) : eval()'d code:62(displayBlock)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:182(block_content)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Environment.php(418) : eval()'d code:715(displayBlock)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:405(doDisplay)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:378(displayWithErrorHandling)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Environment.php(418) : eval()'d code:45(display)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:405(doDisplay)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:378(displayWithErrorHandling)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Environment.php(418) : eval()'d code:46(display)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:405(doDisplay)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:378(displayWithErrorHandling)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Template.php:390(display)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/TemplateWrapper.php:45(render)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/vendor/twig/twig/src/Environment.php:318(render)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/Services/ViewRenderer/TwigRenderer.php:115(render)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/ViewTrait.php:98(render)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/ViewTrait.php:79(renderViewFile)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/app/website.php:261(render)
/var/www/dev-priyantha.gptoday.net/public_html/index.php:11(require_once)
SELECT c0_.CommentId AS CommentId_0, c1_.Vote AS Vote_1 FROM Comments c0_ INNER JOIN CommentVotes c1_ ON (c1_.CommentId = c0_.CommentId) WHERE c0_.ArticleId = ? AND c1_.VoteIp = ?
[242804,"216.73.216.130"]
0.108277 cacheAble: no
module:Sidebar (0Q - total module time: 0.00035405s)
""
0.108635
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00001216s)
""
0.108648
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::gpschedule (0Q - total module time: 0.00000191s)
""
0.108651 cacheAble: yes
module:GpSchedule (0Q - total module time: 0.00013185s)
""
0.108784
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::results (0Q - total module time: 0.00000381s)
""
0.108790 cacheAble: yes
module:Results (0Q - total module time: 0.00010991s)
""
0.108902
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::testcalendar (0Q - total module time: 0.00000215s)
""
0.108905 cacheAble: yes
module:TestCalendar (0Q - total module time: 0.00009704s)
""
0.109004
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00000405s)
""
0.109008
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00000095s)
""
0.109010
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::relatednews (0Q - total module time: 0.00000215s)
""
0.109013 cacheAble: yes
module:RelatedNews (0Q - total module time: 0.00006390s)
""
0.109079
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::whoischatting (0Q - total module time: 0.00000501s)
""
0.109084
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00000191s)
""
0.109087
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::poll (0Q - total module time: 0.00000095s)
""
0.109088 cacheAble: no
module:Poll (0Q - total module time: 0.00163794s)
""
0.110729
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00000501s)
""
0.110735
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00000215s)
""
0.110737
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::gpcalendar (0Q - total module time: 0.00000095s)
""
0.110740 cacheAble: yes
module:GpCalendar (0Q - total module time: 0.00010920s)
""
0.110851
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::driver_Info (0Q - total module time: 0.00000405s)
""
0.110856 cacheAble: no
module:Driver\Info (0Q - total module time: 0.00001693s)
""
0.110874
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::team_Info (0Q - total module time: 0.00000215s)
""
0.110877 cacheAble: yes
module:Team\Info (0Q - total module time: 0.00010109s)
""
0.110980
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::linkedKeywords (0Q - total module time: 0.00000405s)
""
0.110986
sidebar:sidebar-news-read::gpsidebarnavigation (0Q - total module time: 0.00000215s)
""
0.110988 cacheAble: no
module:GpSidebarNavigation (0Q - total module time: 0.00032401s)
""
0.111314 cacheAble: yes
module:Layout\Footer (0Q - total module time: 0.00010514s)
""
0.111422 cacheAble: yes
module:News\Breaking (0Q - total module time: 0.00040603s)
""
0.111830
done
""