Ferrari and Renault confirm Racing Point appeal, McLaren withdraw

Think the bit about McLaren is right, I suspect redbull want to do something similar next year/year after if the method is given the all clear with Tauri. Ferrari I can seeing being less interest in doing this, Haas and AR aren’t junior teams, just affiliated, there are similarities in the cars but not joint owned like redbull and AT

Merc have said, bring it on and try ;p
Red bull .... Not so interested.. with a second team.. opens a can of worms...

Williams and Mclaren, cant rock the boat with Merc Engines..

And the prancing horse.... should of thought about that closed door deal... Lance stroll will take this to court ;p and claim unfair treatment...

Details of that deal will be made public..... this is a side show that is destroying Formula one....

All because Renault cant design a good car.... Diplomatic Nightmare...

@snooky nah but they get a lot of money from HAAS, so were that to sour it'd still be bad, and ARomeo IS an affiliated team. So this ruling could be a downside to them if it'd go through.

@siggy it is, yet for once Renault's got some backing.

I've changed my mind on this several times. I think as it stands right now, Racing Point acted legally (at least based upon the available evidence). However, it feels unfair because the benefit was obtained after changes in regulations prevent teams from getting the advantage RP now enjoy.

Consequently, I think McLaren realize that the loophole to get the advantage RP received will be closed and that RP will not be forced to relinquish the gained advantage. The relationship with Mercedes is certainly a consideration, but I sure hope that was not a driver. It certainly didn't seem like a consideration when Zak Brown called the FIA sentence BS.

Otherwise, Mercedes would be able to run a bit of a corporate racket with it's customers.

I don't necessarily think that was the main reason either AJ, I think we can trust Brown's words on stuff, but it did likely play some part in their decision to withdraw.

As for RP, I think they found an (at the time) valid loophole because the FIA, as admitted by the FIA, goofed up again. That's why the penalty is so low: the effect is low, and by the vague description, what they did wasn't cheating until now. So my stance is clear and in line with the FIA: FIA fu**ed up.

No, my curiousity now lie in why RB hasn't really said much about this at all.

Calle, I mean that AR doesn’t have quite the same connection as redbull and AT has. AR Dauber has been its own team for a long time before any funding from a partner company, they still seem to act separately all be it with buying parts from Ferrari. I think redbull wants to play it low key, observe, not cause too much trouble publicly. Redbull loves great PR and this is a negative on both sides right now. Then if the FIA deem what RP have done they’ll do the same, if not they’ll fit in the lines that the FIA deem appropriate. But as you say, this has all come about because the FIA messed up again and were once again not thorough. I think they need to have a Team like Ross brawn has with F1 management that looks over every car properly, talented, knowledgeable and experienced people to check each car through the design phase, yes it’d be long work but it would save the embarrassment later. This seems to be happening more and more lately, Ferrari engines, merc DAS, this RP issue just in the space of a few months

not direct, no, but they do have a technical partnership, share data and whatnot, and they get a lot of money that way too. HAAS is even more deep into it, as they and Ferrari share more parts than most others do in exchange for money. Ferrari have nothing but placement to gain here, and I dunno if they can risk thinning their other gains for that.
Furthermore, contrary to popular belief the loopholes are actually used LESS these days, which is why there is a greater stink around each one. FRIC, F-ducts, flexing wings and so many other thing were all the more common only a few years ago.