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Teams denken aan herintrede turbomotoren

  • Gepubliceerd op 27 aug 2008 14:03
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra
Renault en BMW Sauber zouden graag willen dat de Formule 1 vanaf 2012 gaat werken met turbomotoren. Dat meldt de Kronen Zeitung. Volgens de Oostenrijkse krant is het de bedoeling om vanaf 2012 te racen met een turbo met een capaciteit van 1,5 liter en een boost van 1,5 bar.

Het verhaal gaat dat Renault en BMW Sauber vooral andere motoren willen om de hegemonie van Ferrari op dat gebied te doorbreken. De mannen uit Maranello zetten dit jaar namelijk de standaard met hun krachtige 2,4 liter V8. In Valencia reed de top vijf van de hoogste topsnelheden met een Ferrari-krachtbron.
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  • Ramshoek

    Posts: 1.016

    Ik geloof nooit dat de FIA zwakkere motorenbouwers gaat helpen door ze iets meer turbodruk ofzo toe te staan. En dus zitten de motorenbouwers ook onder een nieuw reglement allemaal vast aan het zelfde technisch reglement - hoe dat reglement er ook uit ziet - en aan beperkte ontwikkelruimte.

    Momenteel is er alleen ontwikkelruimte wanneer er betrouwbaarheods issues spelen. Mercedes en Ferrari interpreteren die regel lekker ruim en hebben het afgelopen jaar de nodige peekaa\'tjes gevonden. BMW en Renault zijn waarschijnlijk wat braver en lopen daardoor nu achter qua vermogen (hoewel van BMW gezegd is dat ze de ontwikkelmogelijkheden gebruikt hebben om bijzonder efficiënte motoren te bouwen).

    Wellicht vertrouwen BMW en Renault op hun expertise op het gebiedt van Turbo\'s, maar of dat voordeeltje lang stand zal houden wanneer ze zich braaf blijven gedragen ? ...

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    • 27 aug 2008 - 14:21
  • Paul

    Posts: 626

    Prachtig is m\'n eerste reactie op de titel!

    Ik denk ook niet dat de beredenering hier niet helemaal op gaat. Omdat Ferrari het zo goed voor elkaar zou hebben (........ hongarije en Valencia, POEF) willen ze andere regels. Dat gaat natuurlijk nerges over en daar gaat de Fia zeker niet aan meewerken.

    De toegestane ontwikkeling gebruiken Mercedes en Ferrari zeker ruim, Renault schijnt verbazingwekkend stil te zitten en BMW zoekt denk ik ook wel de grenzen erg op. Hun zuinigheid schijnt inderdaad echt bijzonder te zijn.

    De topsnelheden zeggen natuurlijk niet alles over een motor, kan ook deels afstelling zijn. Daarbij heb je er weinig aan als ze ploffen!

    Verder zijn turbo\'s erg gaaf! Kom maar op zeg ik. Wat wel een goed argument zou zijn, is het milieu! Met een turbo heb je minder inhoud nodig voor dezelfde kracht, dus het zou minder slecht zijn voor het milieu en benzine en dus kosten besparend ook!!!

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    • 27 aug 2008 - 15:29
  • NathieF1

    Posts: 1.966

    Was leuk in de (begin jaren) tachtig, maar zie het nu niet meer zitten...Het geluid van zo\'n v8/10/12 is toch echt wat anders, maar milieu-technisch is het wel een gedachte die weer kan herleven, dus het zou goed eens kunnen gaan gebeuren...Hoop persoonlijk van niet, maar ik ben een ouderwetse \&quot;hoe meer cilinders (inhoud) hoe beter - atmosferische benzine motor - met veel pk\'s\&quot; fanaat...

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    • 27 aug 2008 - 15:57
  • patrickl

    Posts: 11.414

    Ik blijf het hele idee dat ze de motoren niet mogen ontwikkelen raar vinden. Als een team pech heeft (Renault) dan zit het dus jarenlang met een ondermaats presterende motor.

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    • 27 aug 2008 - 16:24
  • MacGyver

    Posts: 3.550

    wat renault en bmw de das omdoet is dat zij het hardst gepakt zijn door de toerenbegrenzing van 19.000 max. ferrari is door de FIA tegemoet gekomen door niet alleen de ontwikkeling stop te zetten (althans dat moeten wij geloven), maar ook een limiet aan het aantal toeren per minuut, nl. 19.000. Toen renault officieel terugkwam als motoren leverancier eind jaren 80 bij williams, hebben ze altijd een van de sterkste motoren van het veld gehad, zelfs de supertec ( een renault derivaat) was in de arrows nog steeds goed voor hoogste topsnelheden. met de 110graden V10 sloegen ze de plank mis, briatore over de zeik en een conventionelere V10 laten bouwen, resultaat? in combi met het aeropackage van weilen dino toso werden ze wereldkampioen.
    Renault hun motor zit onder zijn kunnen en presteert niet optimaal bij deze toerentallen. bmw ook. mercedes had veel problemen hun v8 op toeren te krijgen, zie uitvalbeurten kimi. dus ook hun kwam het goed uit.

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    • 27 aug 2008 - 16:52
  • f 1

    Posts: 303

    ik schrok bij dit bericht ik dach herintrede coureurs(geintje)
    MacGyver goed en duidelijk omschreven

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    • 27 aug 2008 - 22:52
  • Paul

    Posts: 626

    Redelijk eens met MacGyver. Hoewel ik het belachelijk vind om hier te denken dat de FIA dit toerental heeft gedaan om sommige teams te bevoordelen en ander dwars te zitten...

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    • 28 aug 2008 - 08:15
  • JAM

    Posts: 69

    Als je het milieu en de racesport hoog in het vaandel hebt staan limiteer je de hoeveelheid brandstof die gedurende een race gebruikt mag worden en laat je alle technische middelen vrij.

    Overigens vindt ik het geluid van een turbo helemaal top...

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    • 28 aug 2008 - 10:09

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