Teams zien weinig heil in groter formaat velgen

  • Gepubliceerd op 11 jun 2015 14:13
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Het is niet aannemelijk dat de Formule 1 op korte termijn overschakelt op een groter formaat velgen. Dat was een van de voorwaarden die Michelin aan een mogelijke rentree verbond, 18 of 19 inch wielen in plaats van het huidige 13 inch. Pirelli heeft ook al eens met een groter formaat velgen getest op Silverstone en experimenteerde er recent in Monaco op een GP2-bolide mee.

De teams zien er alleen weinig heil in. Paddy Lowe van Mercedes: "De heersende opvatting is dat grotere velgen niet de goede richting voor de Formule 1 is. Wat grip betreft is het niet aantrekkelijk. Die banden bieden minder grip en het gewicht stijgt aanzienlijk, dus voor de performance zou het niet goed zijn. Ik denk dat we de 13 inch-velgen trouw blijven."

Matt Morris van McLaren sluit zich daarbij aan. "Het is niet alleen het formaat van de velgen of de diameter van de banden, het heeft ook invloed op alle onderdelen daaromheen. De remmen, de wielophanging en wat al niet meer. Als engineer koesteren we verandering omdat het kansen biedt om het verschil te maken, zo bezien zouden we het wel zien zitten."

James Allison van Ferrari tot slot: "We bespreken welke kant we op moeten voor de toekomst. De banden vormen een van de meest complexe aspecten aan een auto en daar hebben we de minste data over. Dus hoe eerder de knoop doorgehakt wordt, hoe beter. Over vorm, omvang en zachtheid heb ik niet echt een mening, als er maar op tijd duidelijkheid komt."

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  • Minder grip en in de toekomst meer vermogen lijkt mij anders wel een leuke combinatie. Dan wordt het rijden van zo'n auto weer echt kunst in plaats van een kunstje.

    • + 0
    • 11 jun 2015 - 14:28
    • Nog minder grip? Dan wordt t allemaal nog langzamer. Superplakkende banden en mega downforce moeten we hebben, stuiterende, nerveuze wagens wil ik zien :)

      • + 1
      • 11 jun 2015 - 14:47
    • ja meer downforce en meer grip betekend snellere laptimes en m.n. de bochtensnelheden moeten flink omhoog, rijders krijgen meer g krachten te verduren waardoor het fysiek zwaarder wordt

      • + 1
      • 11 jun 2015 - 14:52
    • StevenQ

      Posts: 9.179

      minder downforce en meer mechanische grip zou beter zijn(zeker voor het inhalen)

      • + 1
      • 11 jun 2015 - 15:00
    • Dat ligt eraan Steven. Wel zoals downforce nu wordt gegenereerd, dat veroorzaakt veel drag. Met geavanceerde diffusers (double diffuser, blown diffuser etc) en wagens met grondeffect is er nauwelijks drag en bakken downforce ).

      • + 0
      • 11 jun 2015 - 16:30
    • ik vind dat de coureurs allemaal trapauto's met van die spaakkralen in de wielen moeten hebben... dan heb je zuinige auto's, het is veilig, het maakt een takkeherrie en de coureurs moeten weer echt aan het werk.

      • + 1
      • 11 jun 2015 - 19:35
    • gp

      Posts: 4.711

      Ik heb heel veel bedenkingen bij dit verhaal. Zo'n grote rubberen band lichter dan die moderne racewielen? En minder grip? Daarom gebruikt niemand meer die kleine velgen in de moderne racerij. Dit is toch totale onzin. Ik vraag me af wat hier achter zit.

      • + 0
      • 11 jun 2015 - 20:46
    • gp

      Posts: 4.711

      Hoe groter de wielen, hoe kleiner de zijkant van de banden met als gevolg betere wegligging en veel preciezer sturen. En Carbon fiber is volgens mij toch een stuk lichter dan Rubber.

      • + 0
      • 11 jun 2015 - 21:03
    • @GP
      Ik denk dat dit voor de toerwagens geld, in de f1 heeft de band een belangrijk aandeel in de vering van de wagen, een plattere band betekend minder vering en als gevolg minder grip en een hogere belasting voor wielophanging en andere onderdelen, qua gewicht denk ik idd dat de grotere velgen beter zijn, het oogt ook wel aardig vind ik, maar het gaat er dus waarschijnlijk niet komen

      • + 0
      • 12 jun 2015 - 08:42
    • gp

      Posts: 4.711

      het is waar dat de banden een deel van de vering zijn maar dat is omdat het 13 inch banden zijn. Met grotere velgen moet de vering gewoon minder hard dat is het enige verschil . Eenzitter of toerwagen maakt niets uit en de remmen kunnen groter en beter gekoeld worden met grotere velgen.

      • + 0
      • 12 jun 2015 - 14:00
  • Vraag me af er überhaupt nog iets gaat veranderen voor 2017..

    • + 3
    • 11 jun 2015 - 14:29
    • Zolang de teams inspraak hebben veranderd er niks significants, die zijn het nooit eens met elkaar of het gaat allemaal tergend langzaam. Politieke agenda's krijgen de voorhand.

      • + 2
      • 11 jun 2015 - 14:41
    • Eens met Sander. Wanneer gaat de FIA nu eens zijn spierballen tonen.
      Een politiek kluwen zorgt voor zoveel poetspats, weeral.

      • + 0
      • 12 jun 2015 - 08:15
  • Doe voor mij naar de 1 rondje kwalificiseren terug. Het huidige formaat is saai en oninspirerend.

    • + 0
    • 11 jun 2015 - 14:41
    • Mee eens! Zo krijgt ieder ook een fair gelijke kans, onder normale weersomstandigheden. Bovendien was het ook super spannend toen deze formaat circa 10 jaar geleden van kracht ging.

      • + 1
      • 11 jun 2015 - 14:47
    • gp

      Posts: 4.711

      dat hebben ze 1 of twee jaar gedaan. dat was de saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiste kwalificatie die ooit in F1 geweest is. Niemand keek nog naar de kwalificatie. Nu is een soort minirace voor de echte race, met dat systeem was er totaal niets meer aan.

      • + 0
      • 11 jun 2015 - 20:54
    • Big_El

      Posts: 2.137

      @silversource: fair gelijke kans??? Ik kan me kwalificaties onder dat format herinneren waarbij het halverwege ging regenen...

      Het huidige format biedt nu juist gelijke kansen: iedereen kan zelf kiezen wanneer hij binnen een sessie zijn tijd neerzet.

      Een betere oplossing zou kunnen zijn:
      - sessies inkorten naar 10 minuten
      - alle teams krijgen voor elke sessie die ze rijden 1 setje super-softs, de beste kwalificatie band die het op het ene circuit misschien 10 rondjes op zijn top volhoudt en een ander circuit 1 rondje. Maar dat maakt dan niet uit.
      - De pit-ingang en uitgang die gebruikt wordt ligt halverwege het circuit, zodat een in- en out-lap niet meer een heel rondje is en er dus minder langzame rijders op de baan zijn (in de 2e en 3e sessie). Op circuits waar dat lastig zou zijn is de oplossing ook simpel: rondje is niet van start- tot finish, maar het getimede rondje begint halverwege het circuit bij een ander meetpunt.
      - Iedereen, dus ook de top 10, heeft vrije keuze voor de banden tijdens de race.
      - En krijgt voor de race 2 setjes van beide types waar ze mee willen racen. (Uiteraard krijgen ze ook de benodigde regenbanden)

      • + 0
      • 12 jun 2015 - 10:55
  • Eerlijk.. ik vind het wel prima zo de banden (looks)

    • + -1
    • 11 jun 2015 - 14:42
  • Sjees

    Posts: 1.149

    Grootte van de banden/velgen is bijzaak. Ze kunnen hun energie beter steken in het volluit kunnen racen ipv alleen maar bezig te zijn met het sparen van brandstof. Al is dat natuurlijk van alle tijden maar het gaat tegenwoordig veel te ver. We wilen coureurs zien die alles kunnen geven! Hou jullie daar maar mee bezig ipv dat geneuzel over 13 of 18".

    • + 0
    • 11 jun 2015 - 15:03
  • Schumi81

    Posts: 622

    18"ziet er veel beter uit dan de 13" velgjes. Minder grip zal wel meevallen daar vinden ze vast wel wat op ;)

    • + 1
    • 11 jun 2015 - 15:39
    • gp

      Posts: 4.711

      Ze zijn ook veel efficienter dat die 13 inch wieltjes. Ik begrijp niet goed waarom die man deze onzin uitkraamt.

      • + 1
      • 11 jun 2015 - 20:58
    • ze zien er beter uit, dat is een ding dat zeker is, in de Indycars rijden ze al jaren met grotere wielen, maar goed, is mss niet te vergelijken

      • + 0
      • 12 jun 2015 - 11:02
  • roel2015

    Posts: 128

    James Allison van Ferrari "Over vorm, omvang en zachtheid heb ik niet echt een mening"

    Ik zou de vorm vierkant of driehoekig weleens willen zien :p

    • + 3
    • 11 jun 2015 - 16:20
    • Danny006

      Posts: 388

      Toevallig de episode van mythbusters gezien met vierkante wielen ...

      • + 0
      • 11 jun 2015 - 21:49
  • tour71

    Posts: 1.358

    Hoezo kwalificatie aanpassen? Is iedereen vergeten hoe saai één ronde kwalificaties waren en hoe lang het geduurd heeft eer dat de kwalificaties enigzins een beetje inhoud hadden.

    Banden loskoppelen van wedstrijd zodat ze voluit kunnen gaan.

    • + 0
    • 11 jun 2015 - 17:10
  • minder grip, lol
    een grotere velg zorgt voor meer stijfheid in een wiel
    gevolg is dat banden minder vervormen in bochten. dan voornamelijk gekeken naar personenwagen banden.

    maar als 18-19inch te groot is doe het dan met 15 inch dan kunnen de remmen ook groter worden als het nodig is.

    maar mijn mening is ook meer gewicht in de auto en 1.5-2x meer vermogen in de wagen. langzamer in bochten maar sneller op rechte stuk.
    kan een lefgozer makkelijker inhalen in bochten

    • + 1
    • 11 jun 2015 - 23:04

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