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Honda ontwerpt ander motorconcept voor 2017

  • Gepubliceerd op 26 apr 2016 12:08
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Honda ontwerpt een volledig nieuwe motor voor volgend seizoen. Dat claimt Auto Motor und Sport. De Japanse motorenpartner van McLaren heeft deze winter progressie geboekt, maar geeft op topsnelheid nog wel meer dan tien kilometer per uur toe op Mercedes en Ferrari.

Honda plant voor de Canadese Grand Prix een upgrade. De Japanse autofabrikant zou daarbij het ontstekingsmechanisme van de krachtbron van Mercedes nagebootst hebben. Maar Honda ziet nu in dat ze met het huidige concept van de aandrijflijn nooit de gewenste aansluiting zullen vinden.

Daarom zijn ze op de tekentafel al druk bezig met een nieuw ontwerp voor 2017. Honda beseft dat de positionering van de turbo in de V van de verbrandingsmotor een fundamentele fout is geweest. Dat kunnen ze echter pas volgend jaar herstellen met een geheel nieuw motorconcept.

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  • brommer

    Posts: 408

    Ai ze lopen toch behoorlijk achter de feiten aan. Dit nieuwe concept zal dan waarschijnlijk ook wel een variant op het MAHLE Jet ignition/HCCI bevatten.

    • + 1
    • 26 apr 2016 - 12:14
  • JM_K

    Posts: 1.065

    Toch hulde voor Honda,
    door met wat nieuws te komen had het team ook vooraan kunnen rijden en letterijk EN figuurlijk vele volgers kunnen hebben. Jammer maar hopelijk maken ze dit jaar nog wel goed.
    Brawn GP had ook wat nieuws en werkte toen wel.

    • + 5
    • 26 apr 2016 - 12:15
    • Patrace

      Posts: 4.008

      Absoluut eens. Als je alleen kopieert wat de anderen doen, zul je niet winnen maar hooguit dichtbij komen. Als je iets heel anders probeert en dat blijkt succesvol, dan kun je zomaar iedereen verslaan.

      Dus ze hebben iets nieuws geprobeerd en komen tot de conclusie dat het niet de juiste richting was. Jammer, maar inderdaad uithuilen en opnieuw proberen. Dat is wel de juiste instelling en daar heb ik respect voor.

      • + 2
      • 26 apr 2016 - 12:30
    • Levano

      Posts: 802

      @Patrace Als je goed had gelezen had je gezien dat ze niets nieuws hebben geprobeerd, alleen de succesformule van Mercedes hebben gekopieërd. Volgend jaar gaan ze het anders aanpakken.

      • + -1
      • 26 apr 2016 - 13:02
    • brabham-bt50

      Posts: 11.760

      Neehoor Levano,
      Mercedes heeft een heel ander turboconcept waarbij de compressor en de turbine helemaal van elkaar gescheiden zijn en door een lange as met elkaar verbonden zijn. Honda gebruikt een ander uniek concept voor zn turbo. Het compressor gedeelte is heel lang en smal (niet het gebruikelijke slakkenhuis met een schoepenwiel) Hierin zit een soort lamellenventilator. Dat is wel degelijk heel vernieuwend, helaas pakte het niet uit zoals verwacht, maar innovatief was het zeker.

      • + 3
      • 26 apr 2016 - 13:44
    • z0mer

      Posts: 2.104

      Je kan beter een goed idee kopiëren, dan zelf iets slechts ontwerpen.

      • + 0
      • 26 apr 2016 - 16:27
    • Levano

      Posts: 802

      Ah, mijn fout.

      • + 0
      • 27 apr 2016 - 01:17
    • 250 GT Lusso

      Posts: 689

      Honda werkt juist volgens de methode van kopieren en daarna de kopie verbeteren. Dat is waarom ze zo succesvol waren en waarschijnlijk weer worden. In de jaren 80 en 90 deden ze niet anders.

      • + -1
      • 27 apr 2016 - 09:42
  • Kevin

    Posts: 5.294

    Jammer. Dan kunnen ze het volgend jaar ook wel vergeten met een geheel nieuwe motor die weer vanaf 0 ontwikkeld moet worden.

    • + 0
    • 26 apr 2016 - 12:42
    • Mr Marly

      Posts: 7.310

      Kom op Kevin, blijf hoop houden mijn mede McLaren vriend.
      Het is niet zo dat alles overboord gegooid moet worden en ze kunnen het roer beter omgooien dan krampachtig met iets doorgaan waarvan je weet dat je daar niet mee gaat winnen.
      Niks dan lof over de daadkracht, vastberadenheid en doorzettingsvermogen vermogen van Honda!

      • + 1
      • 26 apr 2016 - 13:25
    • Sjaakafhaak

      Posts: 666

      Waarom? Het is Ferrari toch ook gelukt om voorin mee te doen met een radicale wijziging in de engine lay-out. Ik zie niet in waarom Honda dit niet zou kunnen.

      • + 0
      • 26 apr 2016 - 13:36
    • brabham-bt50

      Posts: 11.760

      Denk ik ook (dat niet alles overboord gaat), ze weten nu heel goed wat niet werkt, en wat wel goed is aan hun PU en ik vond het dapper dat ze het gewoon hebben geprobeerd.

      • + 0
      • 26 apr 2016 - 13:46
    • szixxx

      Posts: 4.764

      Zou nog weleens de beste beslissing kunnen zijn die ze dit jaar maken. Wat goed is kun je aanhouden...

      Ik hoop voor Honda en McLaren dat ze volgend jaar in elk geval mee kunnen komen. Zo niet, dan mag je deze samenwerking wel als mislukt beschouwen denk ik.

      • + 0
      • 26 apr 2016 - 14:44
    • Kevin

      Posts: 5.294

      Heb je gelijk in Marly, maar het is nu al zolang geleden dat McLaren echt een team was om rekening mee te houden dat ik iedere race weer hoop verlies. Fan zal ik blijven, al rijden ze laatste, maar titels zijn voor mijn gevoel heel ver weg. 2017 wordt weer niets. Honda doet haar best, en ik heb ook veel bewondering voor ze, het heeft McLaren alleen nog niets opgeleverd. Het team had Mercedes misschien wel op de hielen gezeten met een Mercedes-motor nu.

      • + 0
      • 27 apr 2016 - 00:30
    • Mr Marly

      Posts: 7.310

      Volgens mij gaat dat token systeem op de schop vanaf volgend seizoen dus dat biedt wat perspectief. En titels durf ik nog niet aan te denken maar een paar podia en een eventuele overwinning zou zeeeer gewenste zijn om mee te beginnen volgend seizoen.

      • + 0
      • 27 apr 2016 - 05:52
  • Danny006

    Posts: 388

    "maar geeft op topsnelheid nog wel meer dan tien kilometer per uur toe op Mercedes en Ferrari "

    Als de wagen de aerodynamica van een baksteen heeft, ga je ook niet harder.

    • + 0
    • 26 apr 2016 - 12:45
    • Politik

      Posts: 8.359

      Maar de vraag is: heeft de Mc Laren ook de aerodynamica van een baksteen?

      • + 1
      • 26 apr 2016 - 12:48
    • M.Schumi

      Posts: 2.113

      Ik denk dat je dat aardig kunt opmaken uit bochtsnelheden!

      • + 0
      • 26 apr 2016 - 13:25
  • ives

    Posts: 1.255

    Hadden ze dat dit jaar ook al niet gedaan?

    • + 1
    • 26 apr 2016 - 13:20
    • henny jr

      Posts: 1.275

      nee dit jaar hebben ze de betrouwbaarheid flink aangepakt

      • + 1
      • 26 apr 2016 - 13:42
  • themack

    Posts: 558

    Als dat brute geluid maar blijft! De laatste der mohikanen qua bruut motorgeluid in de hedendaagse F1.

    • + 0
    • 26 apr 2016 - 14:27
  • jaquesparblue

    Posts: 218

    Als ze elk jaar vanaf 0 een nieuw concept erin gooien komen ze natuurlijk nooit ergens..

    • + 0
    • 26 apr 2016 - 21:48
  • 1formule

    Posts: 134

    Honda ontwerpt ander motorconcept voor 2017
    Weet Honda de uitslag op 30april2016 over de regelementen van 2017 dan al ???
    Ik heb al gehoord van Bernie dat er 2.2 motoren gaan komen, met 8 cillinders.

    • + 0
    • 26 apr 2016 - 22:51
  • Sjaak Nieuwendorp

    Posts: 202

    Gegokt en verloren! Maar ik vond het een dappere poging, risico nemen en kijken hoe het uitpakt...
    Ik hoop dat de nieuwe motor het beter gaat doen, al valt Honda mij in de Indycars me ook een beetje tegen...

    • + 0
    • 27 apr 2016 - 00:40
  • bschuit

    Posts: 11.990

    De fundamentele fout zit in de positionering van de turbo?. Lijkt me sterk dat je dan een compleet nieuwe motor moet ontwerpen... Een turbo is feitelijk een los aggregaat .. Zal dus wel wat meer aan de hand zijn dan alleen de positionering van de Turbo....

    • + 0
    • 27 apr 2016 - 17:21
  • RSV MILLE

    Posts: 698

    weten ze al wat de nieuwe reglementen voor volgend jaar zullen zijn dan?

    • + 0
    • 28 apr 2016 - 20:32

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