Webber: "Snelheid RB13 onmogelijk in te schatten"

  • Gepubliceerd op 15 maa 2017 13:39
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Men moet niet te veel waarde hechten aan de anonieme winter van Red Bull Racing. Dat zegt oud-coureur Mark Webber in gesprek met ESPN F1. Red Bull Racing doet tijdens de wintertests nooit zijn best om het onderste uit de kan te halen. Webber weet waar hij het over heeft, de Australiër reed zelf zeven seizoenen in dienst van Red Bull Racing.

De negenvoudig Grand Prix-winnaar verklaarde: "Red Bull Racing doet nooit mee aan het schimmenspel dat testen heet. Als de tribunes leeg zijn, voelt de renstal weinig drang om het achterste van de tong te laten zien. Dat is typisch Red Bull. Ik zou dan ook weinig conclusies verbinden aan hun rondetijden tot nu toe. Helaas hield het qua rondenaantal niet over, dat is het enige dat je erover kunt zeggen. De snelheid van de RB13 is onmogelijk in te schatten."

"Ze moeten fenomenaal werk leveren met de aerodynamica om de tekortkomingen op motorisch vlak ten opzichte van Mercedes en Ferrari te compenseren. In Australië zal duidelijk worden of Red Bull Racing erin geslaagd is om een auto te produceren waarmee ze om pole positions en de voorste startrijen kunnen strijden, waardoor ze bij de start de leiding kunnen pakken en de race kunnen controleren. Dat is een hels karwei, maar absoluut mogelijk."

"Ferrari was dé verrassing van deze winter, hoewel niemand zich nog echt in de kaarten heeft laten kijken. Operationeel zag het er allemaal goed uit bij de Scuderia. Ik weet dat dit een saai onderwerp is om over te praten, maar het is wel een belangrijk bestandsdeel voor goede prestaties. Ferrari maakte een stabiele indruk. We zullen zien hoe het gaat als er iets in de soep loopt bij de eerste race, maar vooralsnog doet Ferrari weinig tot niets onder voor Mercedes."

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  • Ik denk niet dat je de snelheid van de auto's echt in kan schatten. Je kunt hooguit een beetje globaal zeggen wie er bij de top zitten en wie bij de middenmoot en achterhoede.

    • + 0
    • 15 maa 2017 - 13:42
    • Blijkbaar is Webber niet op de filmdag van Red Bull geweest...

      • + 0
      • 15 maa 2017 - 16:53
  • Zo zie je maar weer Tijd is niet alles :)

    • + 0
    • 15 maa 2017 - 13:43
    • MBo

      Posts: 121

      Inderdaad, tijd zegt niets ... tijdens een winter test :D

      • + 0
      • 15 maa 2017 - 13:46
    • Snellius

      Posts: 169

      Tijd is alles

      • + 0
      • 15 maa 2017 - 17:38
    • ThomasM.

      Posts: 18

      Tijd is alles

      • + 0
      • 16 maa 2017 - 03:42
  • Derp

    Posts: 7

    Ik snap ook wel dat RB niet het uiterste uit de kan haalt. RB haalt namelijk het onderste uit de kan, alles uit de kast of gaat tot het uiterste.

    • + 3
    • 15 maa 2017 - 13:47
    • En... denk niet dat Red Bull het onderste uit de kast heeft gehaald?

      • + 0
      • 15 maa 2017 - 16:49
  • Leuk al die reacties van insiders , die dan echter ook geen bal weten...

    • + 0
    • 15 maa 2017 - 13:56
  • Brammus

    Posts: 778

    "Ze moeten fenomenaal werk leveren met de aerodynamica om de tekortkomingen op motorisch vlak ten opzichte van Mercedes en Ferrari te compenseren"
    En juist daarmee zegt ie een hoop...

    • + 0
    • 15 maa 2017 - 13:58
    • Marko zei dat ook in een intervieuw met Auto und Motorsport. Het was volgens Marko onmogelijk om een pk verschil van 50 pk met MB, te compenseren met een subliem aero-pakket. Dus Renault zal er voor moeten zorgen dat het krachtsverschil kleiner gaat worden dit seizoen, zodat RB met de daarbij passende updates kan komen.

      • + 0
      • 15 maa 2017 - 14:09
  • KoBus

    Posts: 2.382

    Lees net op AMuS

    "Abiteboul gibt zu, dass es im elektrischen Teil des Triebwerks noch Probleme gibt. Vor allem im Antrieb der MGU-K.", dit klopt met het verhaal wat ik al ergens anders had gelezen - de as is een aantal keren gebroken en kan redelijk simpel vervangen worden door een sterkere variant.

    En ook Mercedes had door eigen meting toch wel een positieve indruk van de Renault motor in de RB.
    "Trotzdem gibt es auch gute Nachrichten aus dem Lager der Franzosen. Das Werksteam ließ den neuen R.E.17-Sechszylinder ein paar Mal auf voller Power-Stufe fahren. Die GPS-Analysten von Mercedes passten genau auf. „Der Renault-Motor hat richtig Leistung.“
    Meistens jedoch mussten den Renault-Teams mit gebremstem Schaum fahren. Deshalb zieht Mercedes bei seinen Analysen von den Red Bull-Rundenzeiten 5 bis 7 Zehntel ab. „So viel schneller könnten sie fahren, wenn sie den Motor voll aufdrehen.“

    • + 1
    • 15 maa 2017 - 15:02
    • Dat was op zich al eerder te lezen, maar ok. Met een kale auto en volledige power dus al 7/10 sneller. Dan zitten ze dus met die kale auto al ongeveer op de beste tijd van Kimi, als ik het goed heb. We weten gewoon niet wat de vinding van Newey is. Het kan ze een tiende brengen, een halve seconde, een hele... Wie zal het zeggen?

      • + 1
      • 15 maa 2017 - 15:12
    • KoBus

      Posts: 2.382

      @BEN

      Klopt, we weten eigenlijk nog niets...
      Het wachten is op de gegevens van Melbourne (en dat zegt eigenlijk ook nog te weinig).
      Verder kijken wat de B-spec motor van Renault vanaf Barcelona nog extra toevoegt.

      Het wachten duurt nu toch wel heeeeel lang LOL

      • + 0
      • 15 maa 2017 - 15:30
    • KoBus

      Posts: 2.382

      Lees ook dat Renault verwacht dat de B-spec nog zo'n 3/10e sneller zal zijn en meer doortrekkracht in het middentoerenbereik.

      • + 0
      • 15 maa 2017 - 15:35
  • Als je het verhaal van Marko er bij haalt wordt de situatie er niet veelbeter op, teveel downforce heb je ook alleen maar wat aan als je een gelijkwaardige motor hebt als je concurrenten.... Probleem blijft namelijk het brandstofgebruik, wat hoger wordt bij meer downforce, en ook nog is de Renault motor maximaal moet gaan belasten als hij achterblijft in vermogen op de Merc en Ferrari... Dat compenseer je dus never nooit niet met alleen betere aerodynamica.... Dan wil nog niet eens beginnen over het thema betrouwbaarheid.... Ben bang dat het weer een herhaling wordt van vorig jaar en in het ergste geval 2015.... En dan na elke wedstrijd weer horen dat het binnenkort beter gaat.... Nu maar hopen dat ik het helemaal mis heb....

    • + 0
    • 15 maa 2017 - 15:08
    • Pipo

      Posts: 4.742

      Zwaar, om altijd zo pessimistisch te zijn...lijkt mij.

      • + 1
      • 15 maa 2017 - 22:12
  • MadMax2.0

    Posts: 631

    .......zit al dagen te piekeren........een compleet nieuwe auto voor alle teams..........Newey......de Newey je weet wel.......een kale RB........het zou toch ongelofelijk toevallig zijn willen de 3 top teams in Melbourne binnen 5 tienden van een seconden bij elkaar liggen.....er gaan 100% zeker nog verassingen komen in Melbourne!!!!

    • + 0
    • 15 maa 2017 - 23:10
  • Samsonait

    Posts: 623

    RB test al jaren zo! We zullen het volgende week zien !!

    • + 0
    • 17 maa 2017 - 13:38

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