'Geld Honda net zo belangrijk voor McLaren als motor'

  • Gepubliceerd op 07 jun 2017 16:48
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Voormalig Cosworth-topman Mark Gallagher verwondert zich over de problemen die McLaren en Red Bull Racing met hun motorleveranciers hebben. Het geploeter van McLaren met Honda duurt in het derde jaar samen nog altijd voort, terwijl Renault het team Red Bull Racing ook maar in de steek blijft laten. Waarom zetten die twee grote teams niet een eigen motorenprogramma op, vraagt Gallagher zich af.

In het programma The F1 Report van Sky Sports F1 deelde hij mede: "Ik kijk naar het geworstel bij McLaren en bij Red Bull Racing en dan denk ik bij mezelf: 'Voor een schijntje van wat jullie kwijt zijn aan aerodynamische ontwikkeling kunnen jullie ook een eigen motorenprogramma beginnen'. Het is een kwestie van instelling waarom ze het niet doen."

"Laten we er geen doekjes om winden, het geld van Honda is voor McLaren minstens net zo belangrijk als de motor. Een onafhankelijke motorleverancier brengt geen miljoenen in het laatje. Maar wanneer komt het moment dat je het geld dat een motorenpartner je betaalt weg kunt strepen tegen het prijzengeld dat je misloopt omdat zij geen goed product leveren?"

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  • 'Voor een schijntje van wat jullie kwijt zijn aan aerodynamische ontwikkeling kunnen jullie ook een eigen motorenprogramma beginnen' ....bijna niet te geloven dat een motorenman zoiets zegt. We weten dat Cosworth met minder budget moest rondkomen dan de topfabrikanten maar een competitieve F1 motor ontwikkelen kost naar ik meestal lees honderden miljoenen euro's. RedBull schijnt deze stap een paar jaar geleden overwogen te hebben maar kwamen toen tot de conclusie dat de kosten buiten proportioneel waren.

    • + 3
    • 7 jun 2017 - 16:57
    • Vince78

      Posts: 493

      Als zelfs topmerken als Honda en in mindere mate Renault het al niet 100 procent onder de knie krijgen. Hoe kun je dan denken dat je het zelf met een beetje schuiven binnen je bestaande bestedingen wel voldoende middelen aan kunt boren om succesvol te zijn.

      Het zou mooi zijn, maar ik geloof er niet in. Althans niet binnen een kort tijdsbestek.

      • + 1
      • 7 jun 2017 - 17:17
    • Misschien moet Force India maar een motor ontwikkelen dan. Dat team draait elke stuiver om en moet je is kijken waar ze staan!

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2017 - 23:00
    • Echt de grootste onzin ooit inderdaad. Had ik niet verwacht van een top man bij Cosworth.

      • + 0
      • 8 jun 2017 - 08:12
  • brommer

    Posts: 408

    Als er 1 ding duidelijk is geworden is dat dat dus niet meer kan. Volgens mij heeft Mercedes inmiddels wel al honderden miljoenen in de ontwikkeling zitten.

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2017 - 17:46
  • KoBus

    Posts: 2.382

    Volgens mij was het met name de MGU-H die het zo complex en duur maakt.
    In dat kader begrijp ik ook dat men bij RBR (en andere teams) naar eenvoudigere en goedkopere motoren wil.

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2017 - 17:56
  • vectraf1

    Posts: 292

    Het klinkt allemaal vrij eenvoudig zoals deze meneer het verteld.
    We weten dat er in de F1 niets eenvoudig is en de motor dilemma al helemaal niet.
    Vergeet niet dat deze meneer een partij is die ook een groot eigen belang heeft.

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2017 - 18:57
    • Reno

      Posts: 1.575

      Of het is werkelijk simpel en is een beetje out of the box denken / werken wel succesvol.
      Vaak verharden we in een oude denkpatroon en kunnen niet anders dan aanpassen van een bestaand concept.
      Maar ja, ben geen motorenman.
      Wel een procesdenker en ben al veel starre ideeën tegen gekomen die simpel konden worden aangepast en tot andere (soms betere) inzichten leidde en dus veranderingen.

      • + 2
      • 7 jun 2017 - 21:05
  • Waarom heeft RB een paar jaar geleden eigenlijk die motortestbank gekocht van 500.000.000? Weet iemand daar wat van?

    • + 1
    • 7 jun 2017 - 22:37
    • op joeptoep staat de video ... iets met weer, temperatuur en andere variabelen simuleren.
      Kennelijk lang niet hek gekste wat ze hebben .... zoek maar eens op. :)

      Ik neem tenminste aan dat je die ronde zwarte tafel bedoeld met die king size afzuigkap erboven / overheen

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2017 - 22:44
    • Omdat ze geld teveel hadden/hebben? Nee zonder gekheid, waaaaaauwwww wtf 500!!!!!!??

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2017 - 23:02
    • @TURBO1968 waar moeten we op zoeken op joeptoep?

      • + 0
      • 8 jun 2017 - 10:10
  • LimboF1

    Posts: 6.088

    Het mag nu wel duidelijk zijn dat Cosworth graag terug in de F1 wil en wat middelen aangrijpt om mensen aan het denken te zetten. Niets mis mee, maar vraag mij af in hoeverre hun een product kunnen afleveren wat wel voldoet. Stel dat Cosworth het voorelkaar krijgt om McLaren en RBR te strikken, wie gaat dan de voorkeur krijgen? Ze hebben beide hun wensen en je kunt ze niet beide blij maken. Dus een "onafhankelijke" motor leverancier is onzin in de F1 en zal er ook nooit zijn. De belangen zijn veel te groot en zal een onafhankelijke motorleverancier snel laten kiezen of gek maken.

    • + 0
    • 8 jun 2017 - 07:37
    • Zolang Cosworth voor beide teams eenzelfde motor bouwt, zal er geen verschil zijn en zal ook geen van beide voorgetrokken worden.
      Alleen dienen ze dan beiden het chassis om de motor te bouwen.

      • + 0
      • 8 jun 2017 - 09:59
  • Ten eerste; Gallagher is EX topman van Cosworth. Dus wat Cosworth zelf wil is de vraag ? ...

    Ten tweede; De huidige motoren / PU's hebben een prijskaartje van een miljoen of 20 / 25 (?). Maar dat is de prijs die de teams doorberekend krijgen. Ontwikkelingskosten worden daarbij verdeeld over alle klanten (incl. het eigen team) maar komen misschien ook nog wel ten laste van het eigen Marketing of R&D budget (ofwel, kostprijs zou wel eens fors meer dan die 20 / 25 miljoen kunnen zijn).

    Ten derde; Nu instappen binnen het huidige motoren reglement doet niemand. Pas wanneer de reglementen voor 2021 duidelijk zijn, kunnen clubs als Cosworth, Ilmor, Mecachrome, Gibson, ... kijken of ze een programma starten en kunnen teams als McLaren en RedBull/Toro Rosso kijken of ze in die programma's mee kunnen gaan of wellicht wel een eigen programma starten.

    Tot die tijd is klagen over de huidige PU's alleen bedoeld om het reglement vanaf 2021 te beïnvloeden...

    • + 0
    • 8 jun 2017 - 11:50
  • Zal geen slecht idee zijn voor RBR om in het geheim een langdurige deal te sluiten met Cosworth, die 2 a 3 jaar ontwikkelingstijd te geven en genoeg budget, en dan plots met een tot Red Bull Energy Unit omgedoopte Cosworth motor te gaan rijden.

    Vanaf dat moment zal RBR niet meer afhankelijk zijn van fabrikanten.
    Met veranderingen aan de motorformule voor 2020 op komst zal ik als RBR niet te lang wachten hiermee. Zelf actie ondernemen en niet zeuren bij de FIA over de huidige situatie.

    Voor nu gewoon het nog even uitzingen met Renault, intussen Cosworth opkopen en je eigen motor laten ontwikkelen. Een fabrikant die exclusief voor RBR wilt gaan bouwen en direct winnend materiaal gaat leveren komt er namelijk echt niet op korte termijn.

    • + 0
    • 8 jun 2017 - 19:50

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