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Force India: "Strategy Group moet geen praatgroep worden"

  • Gepubliceerd op 02 nov 2017 16:26
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Liberty Media zette eerder deze week de plannen voor de motorformule voor de toekomst uiteen. Aanstaande dinsdag volgt een nieuwe belangrijke vergadering. Dan komt de Strategy Group namelijk bijeen en de teams krijgen dan te horen hoe de eigenaar van de sport de toekomst van de Formule 1 verder invulling denkt te geven. En Liberty moet dan echt met iets concreets komen.

Met loze termen en mooie woorden nemen de teams geen genoegen meer. Vooral Force India vindt dat er nu eens spijkers met koppen geslagen moeten worden. Vice-teambaas Bob Fernley: "Ik wil duidelijke voorstellen horen. Dit willen we als Liberty zijnde doen, ja of nee? En dat wij als teams daar dan over kunnen stemmen. De Strategy Group moet geen praatgroep worden. We hebben er zes tot acht maanden over kunnen praten, dat is lang genoeg. Als we nu nog geen duidelijke doelstellingen kunnen formuleren, dan blijven we het maar voor ons uit schuiven."

Zak Brown van McLaren valt hem bij. "Ik zou graag een tijdschema zien waarin ze denken alles voor elkaar te boksen. En het liefst zo snel mogelijk, zodat we over kunnen tot de orde van de dag." Haas F1-eigenaar Gene Haas voegt toe: "Op dit moment is het allemaal uit de lucht gegrepen, pure speculatie. Als je ideeën niet op papier zet, kun je ze ook nooit concreet bespreken. Ik zou graag zien dat Liberty Media hun plannen samenvat op een A4-tje."

Mercedes-motorsportbaas Toto Wolff tot slot: "Het belangrijkste is dat Liberty Media ons tegemoet treedt met een duidelijke visie voor de toekomst. We staan er open voor om hen aan te horen, zolang we maar de tijd krijgen om ons aan te passen en zelf met een inbreng te komen."

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  • Minimaal Verstappen

    Posts: 671

    Huilie huilie. Gewoon harder rijden jonge!

    • + 0
    • 2 nov 2017 - 16:40
  • DutchTreath

    Posts: 5.058

    Van mijn mag die hele Strategy Group door het putje gespoeld worden, samen met het veto recht van Ferrari.

    • + 1
    • 2 nov 2017 - 17:04
    • Appie Happie

      Posts: 406

      En vergeet vooral niet dat gezaag van Toto, Mercedes, die ook naar het algemeen belang kijkt????????

      • + 0
      • 2 nov 2017 - 20:15
    • KiekisNL

      Posts: 1.721

      ze moeten af van het veto recht van Ferrari en er een veto recht van maken waar alle teams als ze het unaniem ergens niet mee eens zijn in kunnen zetten.

      Denk bijv aan het voorstel lang geleden om met 1.4L 4cilinders te gaan rijden, dat voorstel is door Ferrari wel mooi geblokt, en dat veto is er gekomen op verzoek van alle teams richting Ferrari om het uit te spreken.

      • + 0
      • 2 nov 2017 - 22:38
  • Larry Perkins

    Posts: 47.777

    Fernley heeft gelijk, als de Strategy Group liever een praatgroep wil worden kan het beter op dit forum aanschuiven. ;)

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 00:43
  • Larry Perkins

    Posts: 47.777

    Op die Wolff na geef ik de teambazen groot gelijk. Zij willen concreet zaken doen zonder vage kletspraat.

    Wat Brown zegt springt er m.i. in positieve zin uit: er moet een tijdschema komen met daarop deadlines aangegeven wanneer aspecten afgehandeld moeten zijn.

    Anders blijft het een vagepraatgroep wat die Wolff het liefste wil: over de visie blijven oreren en chaos veroorzaken zodat alles zolang mogelijk bij het oude blijft, wat de twee topteams het liefste zien gebeuren. Onder het mom van uitstel komt afstel...

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    • 3 nov 2017 - 00:56
    • Beemerdude

      Posts: 7.082

      @LarryP; je vergeet Ferrrari. Die willen ook niets veranderen.

      Ik heb vanaf het begin al niet de illusie gehad dat er iets gaat veranderen door deze praatgroep; Ferrari zal altijd dwarsliggen, maakt niet uit waarmee, die zijn overal tegen. En Mercedes sluit naadloos aan. En Renault zal binnenkort ook wel achter die twee aanhobbelen. Mooi voorbeeld; Ferrari ziet niets in een budgetcap, maar Marchionne zegt een kostenverlaging toe te juichen. Dus hij wil best geld besparen, maar niet door een budgetcap wat dan voor iedereen geldt. Hij zou het mooi vinden om 50 miljoen te besparen als team zodat ze 50 miljoen meer in het team kunnen pompen.
      Zolang de FIA de oren veel te veel naar Ferrari laat hangen wordt het niks. Die gaan dreigen de F1 te verlaten als ze hun zin niet krijgen. Laat ze maar oprotten dan.

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      • 3 nov 2017 - 09:13
    • Larry Perkins

      Posts: 47.777

      @Beemerdude. Nee, niet vergeten maar Ferrari komt niet aan het woord in het bericht.

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      • 3 nov 2017 - 13:22
    • Beemerdude

      Posts: 7.082

      @LP; da's dan ook weer waar....

      • + 0
      • 3 nov 2017 - 14:38
  • Carrinthe

    Posts: 1.322

    Ik vermoed dat de topteams nog veel harder gaan steigeren dan na de voorstellen van Liberty mbt de motorformule.

    Graag zie ik
    - afschaffen veto Ferrari
    - eerlijke verdeling geld waarbij het totaal aan geld richting de teams niet achteruit gaat.

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 05:33
    • JaapB

      Posts: 1.233

      Je ziet hoe goed vetorecht kan werken bij de VN is gewoon een constructie die niet werkt en altijd zorgt dat een team teveel zeggenschap krijgt. Er mag gerust een systeem komen waarbij een aantal teams een belangrijkere stem krijgen in bijvoorbeeld het bepalen van regels en dergelijke ten aanzien van motoren maar daar moet het ook mee ophouden.

      De verdeling van geld is gewoon absurd en als je dan bedenkt dat al jaren de kleinere teams gewoon alle centen bij elkaar moeten rapen en de grote teams elk jaar steeds meer krijgen is het geen wonder dat we zo weinig teams op de grid hebben staan.

      Wat ik graag zou zien is een systeem waarbij je gewoon 4 potten geld maakt waarbij de eerste pot een gelijke verdeling is van geld aan alle teams die het hele jaar in de formule 1 hebben gezeten bijvoorbeeld 10%
      Dan een pot van 10-15% voor teams dat langer dan x aantal jaar in de formule 1 zit misschien vijf jaar of zo.
      Dan de derde pot is iets van 20-30% en is gebaseerd op het totale resultaat van afgelopen 3/5 jaar waarbij verdeling is gebaseerd op aantal behaalde punten of gewoon een verdeling op behaalde positie in dat jaar.
      Dan rest van de pot wat naar mijn inzien gewoon iets van 50% moet zijn wordt gewoon verdeeld op behaalde resultaten van afgelopen jaar, misschien 5,3,2% voor constructeur posities 1,2,3 en dan de overige 40% verdeeld aan de hand van behaalde punten.

      • + 0
      • 3 nov 2017 - 08:22
  • JaapB

    Posts: 1.233

    Ik denk dat Liberty alles op de schop gaat gooien en gewoon zegt dit zijn vanaf nu de regels en afspraken bevalt het je niet daar is de deur.
    Het is gewoon waanzin dat alleen besluiten door strategy group kunnen worden genomen als iedereen unaniem instemt en je een team als Ferrari vetorecht geeft over bepaalde dingen.

    Teams horen geen zeggenschap te hebben in de besluitvorming over regels en verdeling van gelden en enige afspraken die je moet maken zijn afspraken over het eerlijk verdelen van de gelden.
    Het is geen probleem dat je teams die langer in de formule 1 zitten je misschien iets meer geld verdeeld maar dan moet dit zijn dat je allemaal dat geld krijgt als je langer dan x jaar in de formule 1 actief bent.
    Als je kijkt dat een Williams al heel lang in de formule 1 zit terwijl RBR relatief kort en je het verschil ziet in wat beide teams krijgen moet je toch vragen stellen over dit soort besluiten.
    Tuurlijk kun je zeggen dat RBR veel heeft toegevoegd maar als het geld dat nu naar RBR gaat gewoon naar de lagere teams in de rangorde gingen waren misschien niet 2 teams omgevallen?

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 08:06

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