'Met Honda moet Red Bull echt om de titel gaan strijden'

  • Gepubliceerd op 22 dec 2018 10:32
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  • Door: Bjorn Smit

Red Bull wordt in 2019 weer een fabrieksteam door de samenwerking met Honda en daar moet het team van profiteren door weer mee te gaan strijden om de wereldtitels. Dat is de mening van Ross Brawn.

Honda lijkt haar zaakjes steeds beter voor elkaar te hebben. In 2015 maakten de Japanners hun herintrede in de Formule 1 bij McLaren, maar die samenwerking verliep erg stroef. Per 2018 levert Honda motoren aan Scuderia Toro Rosso en in het afgelopen seizoen was de progressie zichtbaar. De data waren zo veelbelovend, dat Red Bull het in 2019 ook aandurft met de fabrikant. Volgens Brawn biedt die samenwerking een perfecte kans voor Red Bull om weer mee te strijden om de titels.

"De samenwerking van Honda en Red Bull is positief, omdat Red Bull hierdoor een fabrieksteam wordt", vertelde Brawn aan F1.com. "Dat zijn ze sinds hun dagen als Jaguar niet geweest. Meestal hadden ze een goede relatie met hun motorleverancier, vooral tijdens het behalen van hun wereldkampioenschappen met Renault."

"De uitdaging is als fabrieksteam altijd anders dan met een leverancier. Je moet elkaar vasthouden en het samen doen. Dat is ook de kracht van deze kans. Het is iets waar ik me altijd op gericht heb, omdat het je geweldige kansen oplevert. Red Bull moet die kans met Honda nu grijpen en zich weer melden aan het front. Ze moeten weer een kanshebber worden voor het kampioenschap."

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  • Weer een fabrieksteam? Het is de eerste keer.

    • + 0
    • 22 dec 2018 - 10:37
    • MGF1999

      Posts: 97

      Nou nee. Renault is zelf een tijdje uit de F1 met een team weg geweest en was Red Bull het fabrieksteam , net als ten tijde van de overname van Jaguar.

      • + 2
      • 22 dec 2018 - 10:39
    • Horner zei het zelf. Ze zijn nooit een echt fabrieksteam geweest. Dit is voor het eerst.

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 10:44
    • Politik

      Posts: 8.359

      Ten tijde dat Renault zelf geen f1 team had, was RB hun belangrijkste en meest pretentieuze klant.
      RB mocht meedenken, meepraten en hun wensen aangeven vwb het ontwerp van de PU, zodat het optimaal aan zou sluiten bij het ontwerp van het chassis.
      Dus ja, je mag gerust stellen dat RB enige tijd het fabrieksteam van renault is geweest.

      • + 4
      • 22 dec 2018 - 10:57
    • Alles mag, maar ze waren geen fabrieksteam. Ik snap niet wat daar zo lastig aan is. Belangrijkste klant is wat anders dan niet betalen voor een motor, omdat je fabrieksteam bent. Bovendien worden motor en chassis optimaal op elkaar afgestemd. Dag en nacht verschil.

      • + 1
      • 22 dec 2018 - 11:26
    • Politik

      Posts: 8.359

      Wat betreft het betalen voor de motor heb je gelijk.
      Maar voordat Renault zijn eigen f1 team begon, werden PU en chassis perfect op elkaar afgestemd.
      Meer nog dan het gebrek aan vermogen was het starten van een eigen f1 team door Renault de belangrijkste reden voor RB om.met Honda in zee te gaan: inspraak in in het ontwerp van de PU, zodat het chassis optimaal benut wordt .

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 12:45
    • Ik dacht dat RB zich niet met het ontwerp van de PU bemoeide...
      Meer zo van; Honda lever de sterkste motor en wij bouwen er wel om heen

      • + 1
      • 22 dec 2018 - 14:18
    • Hij doelt op de tijd dat het team nog niet in handen was van RedBull, maar van Jaguar (Cosworth/Ford).

      Twee kanttekeningen gezien de berichtgeving de laatste tijd. Ik zie ik het nog wel gebeuren dat RedBull wel een van de beste pakketten heeft volgend jaar, maar dat we diverse keren een herhaling krijgen van Baku dit jaar. Gasly heeft teveel geldingsdrang in mijn ogen om een tweede rijder te zijn.

      Ook baart het me zorgen dat er hoog van de toren is geblazen de laatste weken door het team, maar nu Max blijkbaar in de gekoppelde simulator heeft gezeten, dan horen we niks. RedBull is dus of bezig met een psychologische pre-season mindfuck, of het viel allemaal BAR tegen (en de kenners zien wel wat ik daar zojuist deed)

      Fijne feestdagen & jaarwisseling allemaal ...

      • + 1
      • 22 dec 2018 - 14:26
    • BAR tegen. Doet me aan iets denken inderdaad :-)
      Fijne K-dagen

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 14:38
    • Rempedaal

      Posts: 52

      FabrieksteamS. Het één tweetje met Torro Rosso vind ik super. Ik las dat de motor daardoor op drie dyno's tegelijk getest wordt. En nu dus ook met de zelfde versnellingsbak. Dat samen ontwikkelen plus de enorme financiële input van Honda kan eigenlijk niet anders dan resultaten geven. Het is imho meer de vraag hoe goed die motor wordt, niet of hij goed wordt.

      En ik verwacht dat Gasly in de achterkamer duidelijk verteld is dat hij vooral heel veel punten moet binnenharken maar Max niet in de wielen mag rijden. En doet hij eigenwijs dan hebben ze Kvyat op voorraad.

      • + 1
      • 22 dec 2018 - 16:15
    • Red Bull is nooit een fabrieksteam geweest, precies wat Cyril zegt hier. Ze hadden in de tijd zonder een Renault team namelijk "fabriekssteun". wordt soms door elkaar gehaald.

      Verschil zit hem in het aandeel dat betaald wordt. Goed voorbeeld is Motogp:
      Repsol Honda is het fabrieksteam, maar LCR (call crutchlow) rijdt met fabriekssteun. Fabriekssteun heeft geen personeel inzet qua R&D en uiteraard wel hulp bij instalatie maar niet meer dan dat. Wel krijg je bij fabrieksteun onderdeel afgifte en help je als team mee aan de ontwikkeling zodat het fabrieksteam (Renault motorafdeling in dit geval) er profijt van heeft.

      • + 1
      • 22 dec 2018 - 23:29
  • Allemaal leuk en aardig maar dat ding moet snel zijn en het liefst na de zomerstop ook heel betrouwbaar. Ik weet het niet hoor. Ik ben er nog niet van overtuigd.

    • + 0
    • 22 dec 2018 - 10:42
    • Ik geloof er wel in .

      Nog geen titel natuurlijk maar wel in de vooruitgang

      Ik ga voor 6 overwinningen voor Red Bull in 2019 , in de kwalificaties zullen ze er al een heel stuk dichter erop zitten en misschien op sommige banen al voor de Pole kunnen gaan.

      • + 1
      • 22 dec 2018 - 11:20
    • Taures

      Posts: 1.358

      Yep, positive vibe

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 11:47
    • Positive vibe dat zeker
      Het punt is dat we heel de winter nog door moeten komen ..... tot ze weer gaan rijden... dan zullen we vrij snel de verhoudingen zien. Tot die tijd: allemaal speculatie ?

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 14:40
    • Laten we maar eerlijk blijven, we weten het niet. Alles is gebaseerd op hoop. Hoop dat het nu beter zal gaan en Max echt mee kan doen. Maar of het ook echt gaat lukken met Honda? Geen idee.

      • + 1
      • 22 dec 2018 - 16:06
    • @Royalerie, betrouwbaar voor de winterstop mag ook?

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 20:15
  • Ik ben wel benieuwd naar de 1e plaatjes van de RB15 met in grote letters Honda erop.. Voor de rest een niks zeggend artikel zoals zovelen nu, het is echt winter komkommer tijd in de F1.. Dat het maar weer snel maart mag worden..

    • + 0
    • 22 dec 2018 - 12:04
    • Ben ook heel benieuwd naar de liverey en prestaties van de RBR 15. En ik heb nu al extra veel zin in de GP van Japan, niet alleen omdat Suzuka één van de mooiste circuits ter wereld is. Maar als Max daar in 2019 weer op het podium weet te finishen gaat het dak er daar vanaf met al die Honda fans op de tribune met al die zelfgemaakte toeters en bellen die ze aantrekken en op hun kop zetten.

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 12:16
  • Jaguar was ook alleen maar ‘bagdge-engineering’ , waren toen een tijdje van Ford ..

    • + 0
    • 22 dec 2018 - 12:23
    • *badge

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 12:24
    • Mosquito

      Posts: 327

      Als ik mij niet vergis was Jaguar toen onderdeel van Ford... Pas in 2008 werd Jag verkocht aan Tata.
      Uit de podcast met Otmar Snafzauer (ofzoiets) bleek wat mij betreft duidelijk dat Jaguar een Ford project was vanuit hun luxe label.

      • + 1
      • 22 dec 2018 - 12:47
    • Jaguar f1 ontstond toen ze het team van Steward racing overnamen. Lag een cosworth v10 in. Later dan Red Bull Racing uit ontstaan...

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 14:44
  • ik weet niet de hoeveelste variant dit is op het bericht dat Honda die met RB voor de titel kan gaan in 2019, maar het zijn er echt heel veel.

    • + 0
    • 22 dec 2018 - 12:24
    • Als ik jou was zou ik ze negeren en er dus ook niet op reageren;-) Denk dat er nog een groot aantal voorbij gaan komen aankomende periode. Misschien gaat de Honda wel harder als er heul veel berichten verschil :-)

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 12:42
    • En t mooiste is dat we Honda zelf nu bijna niet horen .

      Tis wintertijd .. dan krijg je dit uitgekouwd nieuws .. nog n kleine 3 maandjes wachten en dan mogen we weer

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 12:50
    • @Supersoft, er staat nergens in het bericht van Neppatsrev dat hij deze berichten niet waardeert.
      Maar wil je echt nieuws; als je zijn nick omdraait staat er "Verstappen". Dat is pas leuk toeval. Of niet soms?

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 18:03
    • Ik zeg ook niet dat hij het niet waardeert...

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 19:23
  • Laten we het hopen...

    • + 0
    • 22 dec 2018 - 13:01
  • barghest

    Posts: 348

    Titel had net zo goed kunnen zijn, rb moet kampioen worden door hun grote mond :)

    • + 2
    • 22 dec 2018 - 14:12
    • Dweep70

      Posts: 78

      Druk bij Honda neerleggen...

      • + 0
      • 22 dec 2018 - 16:39
  • Venlo

    Posts: 83

    sinds 2013 is Honda bezig met F1 motor.
    in 2015 dacht Honda een betrouwbaar F1 motor te maken met software maar zonder testbank.
    Sinds 2018 is er een testbank bij Honda.
    Nu nog een betrouwbaar 1000 + pk motor in 2019.

    • + 0
    • 22 dec 2018 - 19:06

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