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Adrian Newey: "Obsessie voor inhalen in Formule 1 is dwaas"

Gepubliceerd op 09 apr 2011 10:53
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Door: Robin Smeets

Volgens Adrian Newey ligt tegenwoordig té veel de nadruk op het inhalen in de Formule 1. De technisch directeur van Red Bull Racing noemt de obsessie van enkele sleutelfiguren in de sport voor het verbeteren van het inhalen 'dwaas'.

Met het herintroduceren van KERS en het debuut van de beweegbare achtervleugel hoopt men dat er dit seizoen meer ingehaald gaat worden in de Formule 1. Op de vraag wat hij tegen Bernie Ecclestone zou zeggen als hem gevraagd werd naar ideeën om het inhalen te verbeteren, vertelde Newey: "Ik zou hem vertellen dat hij moet stoppen met het vertellen van dwaze dingen. Als het inhalen te gemakkelijk wordt is het niet leuk."

"Inhalen is nooit echt makkelijk geweest in de Formule 1 en eerlij gezegd zie ik het grote probleem niet."

F1 Nieuws Red Bull Racing

Reacties (25)

TJ

Posts: 619
\"Ik zou hem vertellen dat hij moet stoppen met het vertellen van dwaze dingen.\"
Ik denk niet dat Newey dat recht in zijn gezicht durft te zeggen. Maar hij heeft wel groot gelijk. Bernie met ze stomme &%@ regeltjes.
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- 9 apr 2011 - 11:20
VDS21

Posts: 1.265
Helemaal eens met Newey. Inhalen moet een kwaliteit van de rijder blijven en niet een gimmick die de wagen je aanbiedt.
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- 9 apr 2011 - 11:24
- Tifoso
  
  Posts: 2.985
  Precies, wat de FIA en FOM hooguit moeten zoen is verbieden dat bewust vuile lucht wordt gecreerd voor de achterligger. Slipstreamen zie ik sinds 2004/2005 niet meer. Ow ja en de banen als Bahrein mogen ook van de kalender geschrapt worden als ze niets aan veranderen om het inhalen te bevorderen.
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  9 apr 2011 - 11:54
- Runningupthathill
  
  Posts: 17.626
  Terwijl Bahrein pré2010 altijd één van de races was met de meeste inhaalacties :)
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  9 apr 2011 - 14:05
- patrickl
  
  Posts: 11.414
  In Bahrein 2010 waren er 21 inhaalacties. Alleen waren die dan vrijwel niet op TV te zien en ze waren ook bijna allemaal op de nieuwe teams.
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  9 apr 2011 - 15:21
L.Hamilton

Posts: 7.027
Heeft Newey zeker gelijk in. Het moet stoppen met die rare ideeën want de F1 begint steeds meer op een kermisklasse te lijken op die manier!
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- 9 apr 2011 - 11:26
- boeiendhoeikheet
  
  Posts: 432
  Haha idd, wat ze wel moeten doen is gewoon ervoor zorgen dat de circuits meer inhaalmogelijkheden bieden. Zodat er als er ingehaald wilt worden, het ook KAN gebeuren. Dus niet dat je rondenlang achter iemand aan blijft.
  Soms is het juist ook spannend als iemand niet kan inhalen, dus bijvoorbeeld iemand die het steeds probeert,steeds een gaatje zoekt, maar er net niet langs kan.
  En weer idd geen kermisklasse aub. Straks komen er nog allemaal lampjes op de auto hahaha.
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  9 apr 2011 - 13:17
Supa

Posts: 2.425
Onzin, Bernie weet heel goed waar die mee bezig is!
Ik heb in het begin ook getwijfeld maar het is nog te vroeg om een conculsie te nemen.
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- 9 apr 2011 - 11:37
SennaDaSilva

Posts: 3.843
Ik ben geen groot fan van Newey, maar ik moet hem gelijk geven dit keer. Het is competitie vervalsing. Het inhalen moet een kunstje zijn van de coureur, niet van de auto. Grote achtervleugels, dikke gummen achter, iets minder dik voor, dat zal de oplossig zijn. Zo reden de auto\'s in de 70ies en 80ies ook rond, toen werdt er genoeg ingehaald, toen kon men nog meerdere lijnen rijden, nu is dat zo goed als onmogelijk geworden. Wanneer was het voor het laatst dat er een \"buitenom actie\" in een snelle bocht is gesignaleerd binnen de Formule 1? Volgens mij lang geleden... Daarnaast moeten circuits worden aangepast, dit keer met het uitgangspunt \"inhalen\".. want de circuits zijn nu ondertussen (te) veilig, en zijn veel te vergevingsgezind met allerlei uitloopstukken. Misschien gewoon overwegen om een paar klassieke circuits weer terug te brengen. En een ontslag op staande voet voor Hermann Tilke... hoe veel circuits moet het nog duren voordat de Formule 1 inziet dat hij gewoon geen goede circuits kan bouwen? Turkije en Maleisie zijn de enige redelijke banen.. Maar zeker niet geweldig... Geef een ander de kans ... maak een team van een aantal gerespecteerde circuit ontwerpers die zich hebben bezig gehouden in het verleden met een aantal klassieke circuits ... Maargoed ... ik hoop dat men dat eens een keer inziet ... en weg met die rare KERS en vleugeltjes ... Formule 1 is flink op weg om een lachertje te worden...
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- 9 apr 2011 - 11:48
de autoverkoper

Posts: 866
kijk hoeveel tijd er tussen plaats 1 en 10 zit in q 3 : is echt belachelijk. vorig jaar zat het echt binnen een seconde.
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- 9 apr 2011 - 11:56
- Formula Zero
  
  Posts: 1.481
  Ook niet. Alleen toen was alleen Red Bull al een seconde weg waardoor de rest dichter bij elkaar zat. Nu is het meer verspreid over die twee seconden.
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  9 apr 2011 - 12:22
felix50

Posts: 5.792
Dat ligt helemaal aan de circuits dat er zo weinig ingehaald kan worden.
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- 9 apr 2011 - 12:12
- patrickl
  
  Posts: 11.414
  Het ligt er meer aan dat de verschillen zo groot zijn en dat de auto\'s starten in volgorde van welke de snelste is.
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  9 apr 2011 - 12:51
- Maxxx MoSSley
  
  Posts: 258
  @patrickl
  
  Daarom vind ik ook dat qualificatie-setups weer toegestaan moeten worden. Volgens mij is Formule 1 de enige raceklasse waar dat niet meer mag...?
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  9 apr 2011 - 14:36
- patrickl
  
  Posts: 11.414
  Ze mogen in de F1 zelfs tijdens de kwalificatie niets meer aan de stup doen. Dat slaat toch nergens op?
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  9 apr 2011 - 14:59
- Dominic Renting
  
  Posts: 2.263
  We want the old days!!! Zaterdag complete kwalificatie setup, andere motor andere settings. Zondag volledig op de race setup.
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  9 apr 2011 - 17:00
SennaDaSilva

Posts: 3.843
Wat meer talent onder coureurs zal ook helpen ... Er rijden nu teveel coureurs rond die wel kunnen rijden met een F1 wagen, maar niet echt kunnen racen, vechten, daar ontbreekt het ze gewoon aan talent en durf. Verstappen bijv. had het talent om toch in te halen, terwijl hij eigenlijk in gevecht was met een op papier snellere wagen. Ook coureurs als Montoya, Trulli, Fisichella, Salo, Herbert en Villeneuve waren zo. Dit soort coureurs missen we nu. Er zijn er maar weinig nog met die kwaliteiten. Ik denk niet meer dan 6 a 8 coureurs,.. op de 24 rijders.. dat is gewoon te weinig. Ik bedoel .. je moet ook geen inhaal wonderen verwachten van de meeste paydrivers...
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- 9 apr 2011 - 12:18
SennaDaSilva

Posts: 3.843
Miischien een idee om die beweegbare vleugels alleen in te zetten op Tilke circuits? hahaha!
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- 9 apr 2011 - 12:29
SennaDaSilva

Posts: 3.843
Een ander verhaal wat je van veel oud coureurs hoort: Vroeger had met nog een versnellingspook. Geen enkele coureur, hoe goed ook, reed foutloos hiermee. Elke coureur maakte minimaal een aantal schakelfouten, en dit waren de meest voorkomende fouten die een inhaalactie door de volgende coureur tot gevolg kon hebben.
ik weet dat de lepeltjes achter het stuur en een half automatische bak veiliger is... maar ook dat verpest een hoop kansen op inhalen ...
Ik ben eigenlijk van mening dat F1 wagens van vandaag enorm veilig zijn, misschien te veilig... en dat dit soort dingen wel weer eens overwogen mogen worden.
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- 9 apr 2011 - 12:37
patrickl

Posts: 11.414
100% eens met Newey. Dat gezeik over inhalen moet eens ophouden.

Nou is het best zo dat ze zo heel nu en dan een keer niet in kunnen halen. In het grootste deel van de gevallen valt het nog best mee. Buiten de paar circuits waar inhalen echt onmogelijk is komen ze er altijd wel langs. De goede inhalers in ieder geval wel.

Sowieso kun je gewoon geen bergen inhaalacties verwachten als je alle auto\'s op volgorde van snelheid en met dezelfde strategie op pad stuurt. Geef de setup na de kwalificatie vrij en dan kunnen ze nog echt wat doen met de strategie. Nu moeten ze gewoon door met waarmee ze reden in de kwalificatie. Inclusief de banden. Echt bezopen om dan te verwachten dat een paar gammele banden een geweldig spektakel gaan geven.

Sterker nog die banden verkloten het voor de coureurs. Die moeten nu voorzichtig gaan rijden en dan maar hopen dat ze iets verder door kunnen of dat ze er in de pitstops voorbij komen.

Dat DRS is ook veel te ver doorgetrokken. In Australie was het al veel te makkelijk om daarmee in te halen. Dan lees je achteraf de verhalen dat het helemaal niets geholpen heeft. Hebben die mensen dat wel echt naar de wedstrijd gekeken? Er zijn 4 inhaalacties geweest op een plek waar er normaal gesproken 0 zijn. En ook supersimpel ook. Geen echt gevecht, maar gewoon erop en erover.

Voor Maleisie gaan ze het nog verder doorvoeren ook. Dan mag het het hele rechte stuk gebruikt worden. Dat lijkt me gewoon echt veel te veel. Een gevecht mag best een paar ronden duren. Ze hoeven er toch niet meteen bij de eerste poging simpel aan voorbij te rijden. Wat is daar nou de lol aan?

Hoe dan ook, uiteindelijk is het gewoon allemaal nutteloos. Zeker zo lang de Red Bull\'s zoveel sneller zijn dan de rest. Australie en Maleisie ligt de McLaren dan (net zoals vorig jaar) wellicht goed, maar de rest van het seizoen zal het verschil toch wel weer veel groter zijn.
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- 9 apr 2011 - 13:02
- szixxx
  
  Posts: 4.764
  \"Dat DRS is ook veel te ver doorgetrokken. In Australie was het al veel te makkelijk om daarmee in te halen. Dan lees je achteraf de verhalen dat het helemaal niets geholpen heeft. Hebben die mensen dat wel echt naar de wedstrijd gekeken? Er zijn 4 inhaalacties geweest op een plek waar er normaal gesproken 0 zijn. En ook supersimpel ook. Geen echt gevecht, maar gewoon erop en erover.\"
  
  Heb jij de race wel gekeken vraag ik me af.. DRS wordt alleen op het rechte stuk gebruikt in da race dus ik snap niet hoe je erbij komt dat daar normaal nooit wordt ingehaald. Naar mijn mening moeten ze DRS gewoon de hele rac kunnen gebruiken en niet alleen op het rechte stuk.
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  9 apr 2011 - 13:39
- de autoverkoper
  
  Posts: 866
  100 % met jou eens Patrick...ik deel jouw mening.
  Vroeger met Qualificatie banden,motoren en de hele reut toen ging het maar om 1 ding, het allersnelste rondje neerzetten.
  Nu gaat het om een snelle ronde en ook nog in een config waarmee je in een race ook lekker kunt rijden.
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  9 apr 2011 - 14:45
- patrickl
  
  Posts: 11.414
  @szixxx
  
  Ze halen daar normaal gesproken gewoon niet in. De bocht ervoor is te snel. Vrijwel alle inhaalacties zijn daar in bocht 3 en 13.
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  9 apr 2011 - 15:20
MacGyver

Posts: 3.550
het is gewoon simpel, als een circuit maximaal veilig is dan durft iedereen het gaspedaal plat te houden en het maximale uit de auto te halen.
een race op de nordschleife zou heel andere winnaars geven, het circuit is levensgevaarlijk, maar ja je hoeft niet volgas te rijden, alleen als je het durft....
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- 9 apr 2011 - 16:39
guidoF1

Posts: 898
INHALEN MAG EEN PROBLEEM ZIJN,
ECHTER HET DICHT ACHTER JE VOORGANGER AANRIJDEN NIET.
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- 9 apr 2011 - 23:11

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