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Toto Wolff: "De Formule 1 moet meer doen, anders komen er geen motorfabrikanten bij"

  • Gepubliceerd op 22 okt 2020 08:36
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  • Door: Brick van Boxtel

Toto Wolff, de teambaas van Mercedes, denkt dat de Formule 1 nog meer middelen moet inzetten om de promotie van de hybride-motoren groter te maken. Hierdoor verliet Honda deels ook de Formule 1, maar hij is van mening daarom dat meerdere teams de Formule 1 hierdoor zullen verlaten.

Budgetlimiet motoren

Toto Wolff kan al een inschatting maken welke kosten de volgende zullen zijn die eraan moeten geloven. Nu de Formule 1 het budgetplafond heeft doorgevoerd, zullen de motoren de volgende zijn. De Formule 1 besloot een aantal jaren geleden over te stappen naar V6-motoren. Bij de fans en de coureurs bleken ze niet de meest geliefde te zijn. Toto snapt daar niet veel van, want ze zijn de meest geavanceerde technologie in hun branche zijn.

Kleine motorfabrikanten die wel interesse in de Formule 1 hebben, maar het niet kunnen betalen, lijken weg te blijven. Honda keerde terug in de Formule 1, maar maakte ook snel weer bekend de koningsklasse te verlaten.

Meer promotie

Mercedes wordt algemeen gezien als de benchmark op de motorafdeling en Wolff vindt dat de Formule 1 het niet goed genoeg doet als het gaat om het promoten van de hybride powerunits. "Ik denk dat we het hybride verhaal niet goed genoeg vertellen", zegt hij tegen motorsport.com.

Wolff vervolgt: "Met 50% thermische efficiëntie en de complexiteit en technologie die in deze auto's bestaat met de terugwinning van energie met kinetische energie of uitlaatgassen, de batterijen die we gebruiken en de technologie erin, zijn we een behoorlijk goede showcase voor hybride technologie."

"De volgende generatie motoren zal zich in de toekomst nog meer lenen voor duurzame energieterugwinning, wanneer ze ook komen. We weten nu dat we naar de kosten moeten kijken. We willen niet dezelfde fout maken dat we puur technisch gedreven zijn, zoals bij deze krachtbronnen. Maar zorg ervoor dat ze iets innovatiefs, duurzaams en krachtigs hebben. Ze moeten ook zuiniger zijn en tegen een redelijke prijs te produceren."

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  • P. Clemenza

    Posts: 10.323

    Wolff vervolgt: "Met 50% thermische efficiëntie en de complexiteit en technologie die in deze auto's bestaat met de terugwinning van energie met kinetische energie of uitlaatgazzezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........

    • + 2
    • 22 okt 2020 - 08:43
    • RogerZzz

      Posts: 9.263

      @Pete

      Misschien een wat boeiender verhaal van Toto: over zijn speciale band met de Nurgburgring ("Don't ask what we were doing in Amsterdam"): https://youtu.be/JGtBBTjunc0

      • + 0
      • 22 okt 2020 - 09:21
    • Ron Kanon

      Posts: 2.739

      @rogerzzz, wel het juiste filmpje neergezet? Dit gaat over Toto en zijn vrouw.

      • + 0
      • 22 okt 2020 - 10:34
    • RogerZzz

      Posts: 9.263

      Excuus! Dit moet m zijn: https://youtu.be/EKowY_O6VYU

      • + 1
      • 22 okt 2020 - 10:46
  • f(1)orum

    Posts: 6.771

    "Met 50% thermische efficiëntie en de complexiteit en technologie die in deze auto's bestaat met de terugwinning van energie met kinetische energie of uitlaatgassen, de batterijen die we gebruiken en de technologie erin, zijn we een behoorlijk goede showcase voor hybride technologie."
    Wat mij betreft wel showcase voor deze technologie, maar geen showcase voor F1 als pure raceklasse.

    • + 0
    • 22 okt 2020 - 08:46
    • onetimer

      Posts: 593

      De technologie is juist wat mij betreft wat de F1 bijzonder maakt en de technologie zou daarom juist de showcase moeten zijn. F1 is dan wel een raceklasse, maar staat zelden tot nooit echt bekend als spanning of close racing, iets wat een raceklasse wel zou moeten zijn. Team met de beste auto, en dus de techniek, wint. Altijd al zo geweest en zal altijd wel zo blijven.

      • + 2
      • 22 okt 2020 - 08:56
    • f(1)orum

      Posts: 6.771

      @Onetimer. Ik snap wat je zegt, maar ik denk dat ze bij de F1 echt doorgeschoten zijn met de technologie. De slogan van F1 is: The pinnacle of motorsport en dit wordt ondersteund met de volgende strategische doelstellingen:

      Race: Increase competitiveness and unpredictability on track;
      Engage: Produce world-class spectacles for fans on and off track;
      Perform: Drive value for our stakeholders;
      Sustain: Deliver sustainable and efficient operations;
      Collaborate: Create win-win relationships with our partners; and
      Empower: Build an engaged, high-performing workforce.

      Het is dus volgens de eigen woorden van de F1 vooral een sport waar geraced dient te worden. Dat laatste hebben we mi al jaren niet echt meer gezien, omdat een team (mercedes) haar zaakjes mbt tot deze zeer complexe technologie het best voor elkaar heeft. Nieuwe fabrikanten melden zich niet meer aan of haken na een paar jaar af (Honda) en bestaande fabrikanten moeten de grenzen blijkbaar "overschrijden" om enigszins in de buurt te komen (Ferrari). Resultaat: al jaren een optocht van bolides met weliswaar hele knappe technologie (showcase), maar waarbij de racespanning grotendeels is verdwenen en je in vele gevallen op voorhand kunt voorspellen wie 1e wordt en vaak ook 2e. Natuurlijk waren er in het verleden ook dominante periodes van (motor)fabrikanten, maar nu duurt het wel heel erg lang. Bovendien geeft Toto in dit artikel zelf ook toe, dat ze met deze technieken te ver zijn doorgeschoten:

      "We willen niet dezelfde fout maken dat we puur technisch gedreven zijn, zoals bij deze krachtbronnen."

      • + 0
      • 22 okt 2020 - 09:38
    • mario

      Posts: 11.603

      @onetimer: Klopt helemaal.... qua techniek is de F1 altijd het neusje van de zalm geweest, maar spanning is er lang niet altijd aanwezig.... "Vroeger was alles beter" horen we vaak, maar ook in het verleden reden de beste wagens / coureurs bijna altijd vooraan.... Het is altijd een select groepje dat de races in een seizoen wint en de rest wordt op een rondje (of meer) gereden.... Uitzonderingen daargelaten natuurlijk.... En natuurlijk is de Mercedes-dominantie van de laatste jaren niet goed voor de F1, maar ook dat hebben we vaker gezien dat je voorafgaand aan het seizoen al voor bijna 100% zeker wist wie er zou gaan winnen.....

      • + 0
      • 22 okt 2020 - 09:38
  • Maximo

    Posts: 8.733

    Stop juist met die hybride onzin zolang het gewicht van de hybride techniek en de accu’s hoger zijn dan wat ze aan klein beetje extra energie opleveren ten opzichte van een iets zwaardere en sterkere motor.

    De F1 zou tot 2026 de huidige motoren ontwikkeling moeten stil leggen met als uitzondering dat de niet-Mercedes fabrikanten nog kleine updates mogen doen om op een gelijk niveau van Mercedes te komen. Dat is niet vreemd, zo zijn de motoren regels tot 2014 ook iedere paar jaar bevroren geweest en daar had toen niemand moeite mee.

    Vanaf 2026 moeten er niet-hybride eenvoudige verbrandingsmotoren komen die op synthetische brandstof rijden die vervolgens stap voor stap richting 2030 100% groen moet zijn. Energy recovery moet daarnaast wel blijven bestaan.
    Dit is voor veel fabrikanten een interessante motorformule om in te investeren. Elektrische auto’s die zware accu’s nodig hebben is een doodlopend pad, gaat ‘m niet worden op de lange termijn.

    • + 0
    • 22 okt 2020 - 08:47
  • RogerZzz

    Posts: 9.263

    De Hamilton/Rosberg-saga krijgt een nieuw hoofdstuk; Rosberg doet ook met zijn eigen team mee in die elektrische SUV-klasse. https://youtu.be/_JqkOe9uHQc

    • + 1
    • 22 okt 2020 - 09:08
    • RogerZzz

      Posts: 9.263

      Extreme E. Zo heet het.

      • + 0
      • 22 okt 2020 - 09:09
  • RJHvandaag

    Posts: 6.465

    Half miljard budget. 6 jaar voorsprong in ontwikkeling...
    Ja dat zal de nieuwelingen uitnodigen...

    • + 1
    • 22 okt 2020 - 09:23
  • jd2000

    Posts: 6.646

    De mindset van Wolff is typisch voor bedrijven met een monopoly positie. Hij snapt niet dat deze motoren niet geliefd zijn bij publiek en teams. Dus dan gaan we het beter uitleggen. Dit is dom en arrogant. Publiek en klanten hebben namelijk altijd gelijk. Hij hoeft niks uit te leggen, hij moet luisteren naar zijn klanten en toeschouwers,die bepalen het bestaansrecht van de F1 en Mercedes

    • + 3
    • 22 okt 2020 - 09:27
    • Stitch

      Posts: 6.063

      Hij snapt het heel goed, maar publiekelijk moet hij de zaak verkopen ...

      • + 0
      • 22 okt 2020 - 09:48
    • onetimer

      Posts: 593

      Dat Mercedes en met name Wolff zo machtig is geworden komt alleen maar door de FIA en LM. In het bedrijfsleven heb je waakhonden, commissie, overheidsinstanties en weet ik allemaal wat om dit soort praktijken tegen te gaan en het publiek of klant in bescherming te nemen. Ze zorgen ervoor dat een partij niet te machtig wordt. In de F1 gebeurt er helemaal niets. Mercedes is kennelijk zo machtig geworden dat de FIA en LM ze niks kunnen en vooral durven te maken. Zoiets zie je ook in het bedrijfsleven, maar dan zijn het banken bijvoorbeeld. Eenmaal aan de macht, dan geef je het niet zomaar op. Een zeer gevaarlijke situatie hier.

      • + 0
      • 22 okt 2020 - 10:32
    • RogerZzz

      Posts: 9.263

      Altijd fijn als mensen claimen 'namens het volk' te spreken, terwijl ze eigenlijk niets anders doen dan hun eigen mening verkondigen en zo vast zitten in hun eigen tunnelvisie dat ze zich niet kunnen voorstellen dat er mensen zijn die er anders over denken. Houd het lekker bij jezelf.

      En van die huilverhalen dat Mercedes te goed is, schaar ik onder commentaren van de categorie: "They race me so hard!"

      Welcome to Formula 1. Mercedes GP hoeft geen medelijden met zijn concurrenten te hebben. Dat zou andersom immers ook niet het geval zijn.

      • + 0
      • 22 okt 2020 - 11:26
  • mario

    Posts: 11.603

    Het moet financieel interessanter worden voor motorfabrikanten om in te stappen... Er zullen best fabrikanten te vinden zijn die in willen stappen als motorleverancier of zelfs als team, maar de bottleneck is voor die bedrijven de kosten voor de ontwikkeling van de huidige motoren.... Laat staan de kosten om competitief te zijn....

    • + 0
    • 22 okt 2020 - 09:41
  • marcio

    Posts: 3.426

    Wat de F1 moet doen is nagaan welke de sterkste punten zijn van de Mercedes motor en beperkingen op dit gebied instellen, anders zullen andere fabrikanten niet instappen. In het verleden hebben ze dergelijke maatregelen getroffen om de dominantie van bijvoorbeeld Williams, Ferrari en Red Bull te stoppen. Gek genoeg laten ze Mercedes al 7 seizoenen met rust. Vreemd!!

    • + 1
    • 22 okt 2020 - 10:08
    • mario

      Posts: 11.603

      Je kunt het ook omdraaien...... Ze moeten de sterkste punten van Mercedes opzoeken en dan aan de andere teams zeggen: "ga je nou eens op deze punten focussen".....

      En daarbij, Mercedes houdt zich aan de reglementen, waar jij het bij Williams, Ferrari en RBR over hebt was het feit dat die buiten de lijntjes aan het kleuren waren.....

      • + 0
      • 22 okt 2020 - 15:44
  • Switchbackmove

    Posts: 86

    Het lijkt mij aantrekkelijk voor instappende fabrikanten als er een neergaande trap in het kostenplaatje wordt gehanteerd. Dit zou dan betekenen dat een motorfabrikant elk jaar minder uit mag geven aan de motor. Bijvoorbeeld jaar 1: 300 miljoen jaar 2: 250 miljoen etc. Etc. Hierdoor zal op het moment van instappen een motorfabrikant de achterstand sneller goed kunnen maken en zal het totale kostenplaatje ook dalen. Lijkt mij ontzettend handig, maar ben benieuwd hoe anderen erover denken.

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    • 22 okt 2020 - 10:53

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