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McLaren en Mercedes in vergevorderde fase van onderhandelingen voor motordeal 2026

  • Gepubliceerd op 13 jun 2023 13:25
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  • Door: Rik van Oosterhout

Het Formule 1-team van McLaren lijkt naar alle waarschijnlijkheid haar samenwerking met Mercedes te gaan verlengen. Het papajakleurige team gebruikt op dit moment al de Duitse motoren, en daar lijkt in de toekomst geen verandering in te komen. 

McLaren schoot eerder al speculaties uit de lucht dat het voor 2026 aan een deal met Red Bull Ford zat te azen. Red Bull en Ford gaan voor dat jaar, wanneer er nieuwe motorreglementen in de sport worden geïntroduceerd, samen motoren bouwen zodat de regerend constructeurskampioen dan een volledig onafhankelijk Formule 1-team zal zijn. "Ik kan bevestigen dat die geruchten niet kloppen", meent McLaren-teambaas Andrea Stella over een toekomstige afname van de Red Bull Ford-motoren. 

Waar McLaren wél naar op zoek is, is een verlenging van de onderlinge samenwerking met motorleverancier Mercedes. Het team onder leiding van CEO Zak Brown gebruikt deze krachtbronnen op dit moment ook al, en lijkt haar zinnen te hebben gezet om de deal ook vanaf 2026 door te zetten. "We hebben een paar maanden geleden wel met Red Bull gesproken, dit simpelweg om te verkennen wat er op de markt aangeboden wordt. Op het moment zitten we in een vergevorderde fase van onderhandelingen met HPP (Mercedes High Performance Powertrains), en dus zijn we niet met Red Bull in gesprek", vertelt Stella.  

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  • MWHT

    Posts: 4.007

    zolang het papajakleurige team als een klantenteam blijft fungeren zal het helaas niet meer op het oude niveau komen. Zonde...

    • + 6
    • 13 jun 2023 - 13:35
    • Damon Hill

      Posts: 16.887

      Niet mee eens. Ik neem altijd Red Bull-Renault als voorbeeld dat in zowel 2009 als 2010 klantenteam was van Renault, maar veel beter scoorde dan Renault zelf. Wat heet; ze werden 2e in 2009 en kampioen in 2010.

      Natuurlijk is het wel zo dat het net even beter is als je een hoofdteam bent. Maar de situatie (zoals jij nu ook doet) wordt veel te vaak zwart-wit geschetst. Alsof je niet in de top kunt zitten als klantenteam, wat pertinent niet waar is waarbij het tegendeel dus allang is bewezen.

      De redenen dat McLaren niet presteert liggen momenteel heel ergens anders. Laat ze eerst hun anders "flaws" maar eens aanpakken. De motor die nu achterin ligt is echt het laatste waar ze zich druk om moeten maken.

      • + 5
      • 13 jun 2023 - 13:54
    • Ron Kanon

      Posts: 2.739

      Deels eens Damon. Echter geloof ik er niks van dat je bij AMG dezelfde kansen krijgt als het hoofdteam. Bij Renault was het destijds niet zo dat ze beide om de eerste plek streden. Dus waren ze gek als ze rbr af zouden knijpen.

      • + 2
      • 13 jun 2023 - 13:59
    • Damon Hill

      Posts: 16.887

      @Ron,
      Ik denk ook wel dat het iets zal schelen. Maar uiteindelijk als er een situatie zou ontstaan (zoals in 2009 of 2010) waarin McLaren voor de titel strijd en Mercedes niet, dan gaan ze McLaren echt niet tegenhouden.

      Wat ik voornamelijk bedoel is dat de situatie altijd zwart-wit geschetst wordt, en er wordt gedaan alsof je geen succes kunt hebben als klantenteam. Dit is gewoon echt onjuist.
      Dat het nu niet goed gaat met McLaren heeft met hele andere dingen te maken, en laat ze nou eerst maar op dingen focussen. Die motor is echt het probleem niet.

      • + 2
      • 13 jun 2023 - 14:24
    • Runningupthathill

      Posts: 17.626

      ". Echter geloof ik er niks van dat je bij AMG dezelfde kansen krijgt als het hoofdteam. "
      En wat kan het hoofdteam daaraan doen?

      • + 0
      • 13 jun 2023 - 15:30
    • Ron Kanon

      Posts: 2.739

      Ja das zeker waar Damon. Haas eindigt ook wel eens voor Ferrari natuurlijk. Maar zon situatie als met de Renault motor in de RBR is toch nog nooit voorgekomen bij Ferrari en AMG? Vraag ik mij hardop af.

      • + 0
      • 13 jun 2023 - 16:43
    • Ron Kanon

      Posts: 2.739

      Ruth, jij denkt dat de klanten teams dezelfde motormapping krijgen!?

      • + 0
      • 13 jun 2023 - 16:43
    • Damon Hill

      Posts: 16.887

      @Ron Kanon,
      Ferrari heeft altijd alleen motoren geleverd aan teams die beduidend minder waren dan Ferrari zelf. Sauber vind ik wel het beste voorbeeld eigenlijk. Sauber deed natuurlijk nooit mee om titels en overwinningen.

      Mercedes kwam in 2010 in de F1 en in 2010 en 2012 deed McLaren-Mercedes natuurlijk gewoon mee om de titel.

      Dat het de jaren daarna bergafwaarts ging met McLaren heeft imo niet zozeer met de motor te maken. Zelfs in de jaren daarna toen McLaren in zee ging met Honda lag het uitblijven van succes echt niet allemaal aan Honda. Men deed in die periode vaak alsof het chassis van McLaren superieur was, maar van die gedachte bleef ook weinig over toen McLaren in 2018 overstapte naar Renault motoren.

      De reden(en) dat McLaren niet meer is wat het vroeger was liggen aan hele andere dingen. En misschien heb ik het mis, maar ik heb zelf toch sterk mijn twijfels aan Zak Brown. Is hij eigenlijk wel de geschikte man?

      • + 2
      • 13 jun 2023 - 16:58
    • Ron Kanon

      Posts: 2.739

      Die twijfels deel ik zeker. Hij heeft ooit geroepen dat als er een budgetcap kwam, McLaren meteen mee zal doen. Daar is echter niks van gekomen. Dat seidl zo snel zijn spullen pakte is ook een teken aan de wand.

      • + 1
      • 13 jun 2023 - 17:13
    • elflitso

      Posts: 1.121

      Wat betreft motor en bijbehorende maping. Zijn motor zijn motor leveranciers in de F1, uit mijn hoofd, al 5 jaar verplicht deze ook met de klantenteams te delen. Als ook dezelfde kwaliteit van de motor. Deze regel komt voort uit dat dat toen niet het geval was.

      • + 0
      • 13 jun 2023 - 19:51
    • Ron Kanon

      Posts: 2.739

      De beperkte kennis van de Fia kan dit niet controleren.

      • + 0
      • 13 jun 2023 - 21:16
    • Runningupthathill

      Posts: 17.626

      Wat hierboven gezegd wordt, dat is dus allemaal gereguleerd.

      Waarom zou de FIA dat volgens jou niet kunnen controleren?

      • + 0
      • 13 jun 2023 - 23:23
    • gridiron

      Posts: 1.194

      @Ron,

      Laat ik even de boel omdraaien, alle ECU's worden geleverd en onderhouden door McLaren. Wie zegt dat ze gelijkwaardig materiaal leveren aan AMG .

      • + 0
      • 14 jun 2023 - 12:21
    • Ron Kanon

      Posts: 2.739

      Gidiron. Klopt. De "lege" ecus worden door hem geleverd. Je denkt toch niet dat McLaren van alle teams de.mapping in kan zien?

      • + 0
      • 14 jun 2023 - 12:26
  • Ernie5335

    Posts: 3.809

    Sja, ze schijnen een motor nodig te hebben, die F1 auto's. Een zeil is geen optie 😂😂

    • + 1
    • 13 jun 2023 - 13:44
  • Rogier hier

    Posts: 6.315

    Ik denk dat het voor McLaren een extra voordeel is dat Aston Martin is afgehaakt bij Mercedes. Aan Williams alleen heeft Mercedes niet zoveel qua samenwerking.

    • + 0
    • 13 jun 2023 - 15:51
    • HarryLam

      Posts: 3.669

      Bij McLaren ligt het niet aan de motor. Zorg dat je een ontwerp hebt met veel downforce en weinig drag, maar dat is te moeilijk voor ze met een windtunnel uit het jaar 0.
      Motoren van RB afnemen ....niet doen.....wordt de 1e 3 jaar niks.

      • + 0
      • 13 jun 2023 - 17:25
    • gridiron

      Posts: 1.194

      @HarryLam,

      Dat is geen garantie, de huidige tunnel van RB dateert van kort na de 2e wereldoorlog.

      • + 0
      • 14 jun 2023 - 12:23
  • Raikanikook

    Posts: 2.364

    Eventjes door de zure appel heen bijten
    En dan effe wachten op rood (Ferrari)
    En dan zal het weer de beurt zijn om mee te snoepen van het Mercedes succes

    • + 0
    • 13 jun 2023 - 21:15

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