Webber denkt dat Red Bull als fabrieksteam meer lof zou ontvangen

  • Gepubliceerd op 22 jun 2023 14:33
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  • Door: Bob Plaizier

Max Verstappen won afgelopen weekend de honderdste Grand Prix uit geschiedenis van het team van Red Bull Racing. Red Bull werd hiermee het vijfde team uit de geschiedenis van de Formule 1 dat deze mijlpaal bereikte. Red Bull krijgt veel complimenten en volgens Mark Webber zou het team meer lof ontvangen als ze een fabrieksteam zouden zijn.

Red Bull werd van 2010 tot en met 2013 wereldkampioen met Sebastian Vettel en domineert momenteel met Max Verstappen de koningsklasse van de autosport. Red Bulls dominantie zorgt er nu voor dat ze in een iconisch lijstje staan en daarvoor krijgen ze veel lof. Oud-coureurs, kenners en rivalen deelden hun respect voor Red Bull na afloop van de Canadese Grand Prix.

Ook voormalig Red Bull-coureur en huidig analist Mark Webber deelt zijn complimenten. De Australiër denkt dat Red Bull nog meer felicitaties zou ontvangen als ze een ander team zouden zijn. In gesprek met Motorsport.com legt hij het uit: "Als ze een fabrieksteam zouden zijn, dan hadden ze misschien nog wel meer lof gekregen. Het is essentie nog steeds een team dat bestaat uit fantastische individuen en mensen die hun werk geweldig hebben gedaan om tot een wonderschone auto te komen die mee kan strijden om titels en die op ontzettend veel opzichten dominant is."

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  • Iedereen staat gewoon stijf van de cafeïne, ipv bewondering en lof..
    Ik bedoel maar: als autofabrieksteam heb je de bewondering van de autoliefhebbers te ontvangen... maar hoe je het ook keert of draait: RBR heeft in aanvang hun successen gekocht met het aantrekken van engineers en monteurs van elders.
    De 100 jaar oude traditie van het racen met een eigen merk auto is daarmee natuurlijk niet nageleefd. Het is het merk niet te doen om de auto als zodanig te promoten. Het gaat hen om het verkopen van energiedrankjes.
    En dan krijg je misschien niet het soort respect wat je uiteindelijk misschien wel verwacht.

    • + 1
    • 22 jun 2023 - 15:40
    • ach ze zitten er bijna 20 jaar en misschien hebben ze wel dezelfde traditie over 100 jaar

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2023 - 16:13
    • Noem enig ander team met succes uit de geschiedenis. Ook in de jaren 70 draaide het om geld en om de beste technici.
      De nadruk ligt veel te veel bij dit soort zaken zoals jij beschrijft, RJHvandaag. Dit is geen aanval. Maar bekijk het eens van de andere kant. Men dacht bij Red Bull toen ze het team kochten dat ze mogelijk met geluk een keer zouden winnen. En ze zetten een 30-jarige F3 teambaas er op. Of misschien was hij 31 of 32.
      De hele boel werd gereorganiseerd maar wel met de feestcultuur die er daar heerste. Ze waren de lachertjes van de grid in die periode en niemand nam ze serieus. Ze hebben van die fabriek en super omgeving gemaakt voor het ontwerpen van snelle F1 wagens.
      Ze hebben in de moderne F1 geschiedenis twee dominante periodes gehad. Welk ander team kan dat zeggen?
      Ze weten meestal de echte topmensen aan zich gebinden te houden. Newey is meerdere malen een poging bij gedaan om over te stappen. Is niet gelukt. Dus alleen om geld gaat het blijkbaar niet.

      En als ze tegenslag hebben bij Red Bull dan ontwikkelen ze een nieuwe visie. Als voorbeelden:
      - Ze halen de beste designer binnen door Coulthard in te zetten en de vrouw van Newey te pamperen. Mateschitz met een fantastische F1 en sportvisie deed de rest.
      - Men houdt zich bezig met zeilraces om overall beter te worden op aero gebied.
      - Men laat belangrijke medewerkers participeren in projecten buiten F1 als verveling ontstaat. Bijvoorbeeld Newey en die ex Mercedes motor man waar ik even niet van op de naam kan komen.
      - Men ontwikkelt super cars.
      - Toen men inzag dat ze te afhankelijk waren van motorleveranciers besloot men F1 motorbouwer te worden.
      - Men wist die Mercedes man binnen te halen. Kan even niet op de naam komen. Maar die zou verantwoordelijk zijn geweest voor de motor die Mercedes zo lang succesvol heeft gemaakt. En dat lukte omdat de man andere co2 neutrale projecten wilde gaan doen buiten F1. Red Bull gaf hem die mogelijkheid.
      - Waarschijnlijk de belangrijkste. Ze laten jonge afgestudeerden hun plek vinden. En ze kunnen heel snel doorgroeien naar belangrijke functies. Als er iemand weg gaat dan staan er 10 anderen klaar om het over te nemen.

      Ik denk dat Red Bull het respect verdient. Ze hebben stelselmatig een visie ontwikkeld die succesvol was. Uiteraard met geld. Maar ze hadden niet meer dan bijvoorbeeld Ferrari. Maar met dat geld hebben ze fantastische dingen gedaan. Ook buiten het F1 project.

      Het grappige is dat Stroll sr op dit moment eigenlijk het zelfde aan het doen is. Wat dat betreft verwacht ik nog wel wat van AM. En AM is ook gewoon een sponsornaam van een race team. Geen verschil met Red Bull.

      • + 7
      • 22 jun 2023 - 16:15
    • Traditie is iets dat zich vormt na een langere periode. Een gevolg van durf en ergens mee te starten waar men 100% in gelooft.

      Neen RB is geen typisch (legacy) F1 team of autofabrikant. Maar wat ze presteren is immens. Atypisch, rebels, onorthodox soms....maar met verve.

      Neen, alleen maar respect voor wat RedBull binnen en buiten de autosport doet.
      Het moet de 'giganten' der autosport best wel pijn doen. En hopelijk prikkelt het hen om weer orde op zaken te stellen.

      • + 5
      • 22 jun 2023 - 16:38
    • d@nny

      Posts: 3.226

      @RJHvandaag, Hoe denk je dat Ferrari zo succesvol was met Schumi? De carriere's van Brawn en Byrne zijn toch ook niet bij de scuderia begonnen?

      Elk top team probeerd de beste mensen aan te trekken en dat is al jaar en dag zo, snap je insteek met "oe je het ook keert of draait: RBR heeft in aanvang hun successen gekocht met het aantrekken van engineers en monteurs van elders.
      De 100 jaar oude traditie van het racen met een eigen merk auto is daarmee natuurlijk niet nageleefd." in de verste verte niet.

      Het merk (of bedrijf) Red Bull is wellicht alleen geintreseerd in het verkopen van meer energiedrankjes maar het team Red Bull F1 is geintresseerd in het winnen van races.

      Mensen onderscheiden Red Bull en Red Bull F1 vaak niet. Hetzelfde met Mercedes de autofabrikant en Mercedes AMG F1. Merc heeft dat team ook maar gewoon gekocht met als doel meer auto's te verkopen. Team zelf heeft vrij weinig met Mercedes te maken.

      • + 1
      • 23 jun 2023 - 03:16
  • Het is gewoon bijzonder knap wat die "zoete zooi fabrikant" (door velen minachtend zo genoemd) in de F1 presteert, met dank aan de machtig goeie samenwerking met Honda uiteraard. Bijzonder jammer dat ze uit elkaar gaan.

    • + 4
    • 22 jun 2023 - 15:48
  • Veel mensen lusten geen lof, net als spruitjes...

    • + 0
    • 22 jun 2023 - 16:00
    • Nog nooit red bull gedronken en ben het ook niet van plan, maar het team bewonder ik zeer en ook Mateschnitz die toch maar miljarden in vele sporten heeft gestoken.

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2023 - 16:40
  • Dat denk ik.

    • + 0
    • 22 jun 2023 - 16:05
    • Ook

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2023 - 16:05
    • Ik niet. Er is juist heel veel lof. Dat Wolff in 2021 die smerige propaganda oorlog startte is een compliment aan het adres van Horner. Overigens deed Horner net zo hard mee. Maar Wolff begon er mee.

      Beluister eens interviews. Zelf Ted, je weet wel, die anti, heeft het vol bewondering over Red Bull. Lijkt tegenwoordig ook nog eens Verstappen de beste te vinden.
      Het Amerikaanse ESPN. Vol lof. Ze zijn allemaal vol respect. Eigenlijk zo als tijdens de dominantie van Ferrari vanaf 2000 en tijdens de dominantie van mercedes.

      Geen dominantie willen is wat anders dan respect.

      • + 3
      • 22 jun 2023 - 16:22

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