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'De Formule 1 interesseert Mateschitz niet meer'

  • Gepubliceerd op 29 sep 2015 09:41
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Red Bull-baas Dietrich Mateschitz heeft geen belangstelling meer voor de Formule 1. Dat concludeert Mercedes-teampresident Niki Lauda op basis van de ontwikkelingen bij de energiefabrikant. Red Bull Racing en Scuderia Toro Rosso hebben nog geen motorleverancier voor 2016 gevonden en het scenario dat beide teams uit de Formule 1 verdwijnen wordt steeds concreter.

Mateschitz laat het allemaal maar op zijn beloop, is het gevoel van Lauda. "Hij doet niks, hij doet gewoon niets. Mateschitz pusht zichzelf niet om de situatie op te lossen. Hij laat alles over aan Helmut Marko en Christian Horner. Hij is niet de leider die hij ooit was. Voorheen was Mateschitz overal zelf bij betrokken. Het ziet ernaar uit dat de Formule 1 hem niet langer interesseert."

"Ik ken hem al heel lang. Normaal gesproken is hij een meester in dit soort situaties. Nu houdt hij zich compleet afzijdig. Het is lastig om van een afstandje in te schatten, maar hij lijkt een vertrek uit de Formule 1 serieus te overwegen. Dat de Red Bull-teams nu in de positie verkeren dat er nog maar één motorenpartner beschikbaar is, is zwaar voor hen."

"Intern hebben wij lang gesproken of we Red Bull van motoren zouden moeten voorzien, maar we zijn nooit echt benaderd door Mateschitz. Wij hoeven niet te leuren met onze motoren, de teams moeten naar ons toekomen. We zijn nooit echt benaderd en we hebben er dus ook niet serieus over na hoeven denken. En ik weet wel waarom. Mateschitz mag Mercedes niet."

Rimmer

Posts: 11.467

Mede dankzij RB (denk ook aan alle opstapklassen, evenementen, drivers program etc) is er binnen de racerij veel verbetert en geprofessionaliseerd. Coureurs met amper financiële middelen kregen kansen en sterren als Max en Vettel en Ricciardo en Kvyat kregen de kans zich te ontwikkelen. Overal z... [Lees verder]

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  • 29 sep 2015 - 10:18
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  • Boer Gijs

    Posts: 599

    Wie mag MB wel

    • + 0
    • 29 sep 2015 - 09:43
    • Erik FW34

      Posts: 3.561

      Ik, zijn blijkbaar de enige die de motor + elektrische systemen prima op orde hebben. En aangezien dat nogal lastige materie blijkt te zijn mag je daar je hoedje voor af nemen.

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 09:57
    • henny jr

      Posts: 1.275

      ik ook,

      die mateschitz moet niet zo zeuren.
      sinds dat hij geen goeie motor meer heeft zit hij alleen maar te zeiken en te dreigen uit de formule 1 te stappen. lijkt wel een klein kind dat zijn zin niet krijgt.

      • + 3
      • 29 sep 2015 - 13:49
  • NOTHINGBUTTHETRUTH

    Posts: 13.929

    Misschien een idee als er navraag wordt gedaan bij meneer Mateschitz zelf? Lauda kan zoveel zeggen...

    • + 5
    • 29 sep 2015 - 09:43
    • Jan Almere

      Posts: 3.186

      Nbtt, Lauda heeft met Mateschitz gesproken en heeft Lauda gevraagd of hij Mb motoren wilde en toen antwoorden met ja maar ja maar.

      • + 1
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:10
    • Pietje Bell

      Posts: 21.588

      Dat dacht ik dus ook toen ik dit een paar dagen geleden op een duitse site las. Lauda trekt een aantal conclusies, maar dat is zijn interpretatie. Het verhaal kon wel eens heel anders in elkaar zitten dan wat meneer Lauda hier verkondigt.

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:14
    • Jan Almere

      Posts: 3.186

      Hier een stukje uit een interview van Lauda met Sky:
      ,,Er is ooit iets gebeurd, maar ik weet niet wat. Dus ik ging zelf naar Mateschitz en vroeg of Red Bull onze motoren wilden hebben. Hij zei 'ja, maar, ja maar..'"

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:18
    • Pietje Bell

      Posts: 21.588

      JAN ALMERE

      Dat "ja maar....." kwam nadat Toto Wolff het volgende gezegd had en dat zegt Lauda dus niet in het interview!

      "Dat betekent echter niet dat wij ons moeten wegcijferen in het belang van een ander team of de sport in het algemeen. Wij hebben lang gewerkt om de top van de sport te bereiken en wij zijn niet van plan om die zo maar even weer af te staan. Ja, wij zijn bang van Red Bull. En hen onze motor geven zou er toe kunnen leiden dat we onze koppositie opnieuw verliezen. Vanuit teamperspectief is het daarom niet interessant om hen van onze motor te voorzien."

      Na dit ja maar hoort dus nog een stuk tekst te staan, maar dit heeft Lauda achterwege gelaten.

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:18
    • Jan Almere

      Posts: 3.186

      Pietje, Lauda kent Matschitz heel goed en heeft met hem persoonlijk gesproken en dit verteld hij tegen Sky sport.

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:23
    • Jan Almere

      Posts: 3.186

      Te lezen in het AD.

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:26
    • Shrek

      Posts: 554

      'DE FORMULE 1 INTERESSEERT MATESCHITZ NIET MEER'
      Een paar miljoen anderen ook niet meer....

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 20:29
  • Wingleader

    Posts: 3.006

    Einde oefening dus voor twee teams. Jammer voor de F1 en erg pijnlijk voor de sport.

    • + 0
    • 29 sep 2015 - 09:44
    • Billgates307

      Posts: 9.429

      Lauda doet meestal boute uitspraken en dat siert hem. Maar om nou iemand met een Mercedes bril de situatie en drijfveren bij een ander te laten schetsen gaat me wel wat ver. Ik heb meer het idee dat er nu zoveel politieke spelletjes worden gespeeld, dat Lauda het nu zat is. Maar hier Lauda volledig op zijn woord geloven kan ik niet....

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:18
    • Pietje Bell

      Posts: 21.588

      BILLGATES

      Ik heb hier net een post over geplaatst hier boven. Lauda is zeer zeker niet correct in zijn verhaal.

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:22
  • Jean Alesi

    Posts: 17.675

    Ik ben ook geen Mercedes fan, hebben Dieter en ik toch nog iets gemeen ;)
    Mss heeft dhr Mateschitz een blikje van zn eigen goedje nodig voor wat extra energie? Hang een Benz achterin die RB en plak er een Aston Martin badge op en gaan, goed voor de f1 en hoeft RB niet met zo'n afzichtelijke ster op het bodywork te rijden, probleem opgelost

    • + 1
    • 29 sep 2015 - 09:46
    • Pietje2013

      Posts: 8.974

      Wat? Jean geen Mercedes fan? Wat doe je dan altijd in de pitbox bij MB?

      Heb jij je carriere ook niet afgesloten bij MB in de DTM?

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:02
    • Jean Alesi

      Posts: 17.675

      "Wat? Jean geen Mercedes fan? Wat doe je dan altijd in de pitbox bij MB?"
      niet moeilijk, gratis drank natuurlijk, als er niemand kijkt spuug ik stiekem op zo'n Mercedes logo ;-)

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:09
    • Pietje2013

      Posts: 8.974

      :-)

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:36
  • Boer Gijs

    Posts: 599

    En ook zonder RBR draait de wereld doorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    • + 0
    • 29 sep 2015 - 09:47
    • jack-b

      Posts: 104

      De wereld wel maar ik ben bang de F1 niet lang meer.

      • + 1
      • 29 sep 2015 - 09:49
    • lars75

      Posts: 8.908

      Persoonlijk vind ik RedBull een heel mooi merk en een merk dat veel voor (extreme) sporten doet. Het heeft een jeugdig en modern karakter. Ik zou het een verlies vinden voor de sport!

      • + 4
      • 29 sep 2015 - 09:52
    • Boer Gijs

      Posts: 599

      Is ook zo Lars,maar waarom niet gewoon een honda motor er in ga aan de slag en zorg dat je over 2 jaar weer vooraan staat om iedereen aan gort te rijden

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:00
    • lars75

      Posts: 8.908

      Omdat Honda een exclusief contract heeft met McLaren voor dit jaar, er een zooitje van hebben en nu niet een 2e team met goed fatsoen van motoren kan voorzien?

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:43
    • Levano

      Posts: 802

      @Boer Gijs Misschien omdat ze nu al twee jaar lang aan gort worden gereden?

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:55
  • BrRacing

    Posts: 9.909

    Misschien mag Mateschitz Niki Lauda wel niet..

    • + 4
    • 29 sep 2015 - 09:47
  • vandeB

    Posts: 597

    Ik heb succesvol GTST uit huis weten te bannen en nu zit ik mezelf aan deze soap te vergapen. Wie brengt me nog even een biertje :-)

    • + 1
    • 29 sep 2015 - 09:53
    • Tombster

      Posts: 2.757

      Nou moet je mij eens vertellen hoe je dat gedaan hebt!

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:29
    • NOTHINGBUTTHETRUTH

      Posts: 13.929

      Hij heeft vast zijn vriedin gedumpt.

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:24
    • Jean Alesi

      Posts: 17.675

      @nbtt, waarschijnlijk zelf maar opgestapt van ellende :P

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:34
    • vandeB

      Posts: 597

      ;-)

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 14:55
  • NicoS

    Posts: 16.770

    Hmm, zou jammer zijn, volgend jaar krijgen we de "grote Mercedes versus Ferrari show", de rest is veldvulling.

    • + 0
    • 29 sep 2015 - 09:53
  • Politik

    Posts: 8.359

    En ik vind Red Bull niet lekker, maar in de F1 heb ik toch mooie dingen van ze gezien. Sommige zaken moet je dus scheiden.

    Dit lijkt toch een beetje uit te gaan draaien op het Benneton scenario. Als ze stoppen zal RB de boeken in gaan als een passant en niet als een legandarisch team dat 4 titels won.

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    • 29 sep 2015 - 09:54
  • Droopy

    Posts: 632

    Stel dat RB en daarmee ook STR stopt dan staan er toch wel heel veel mensen in één keer op straat.

    • + 0
    • 29 sep 2015 - 09:55
  • maxioos

    Posts: 1.824

    Red Bull was blijkbaar in vergaande gesprekken met Audi, dus dat ze RBR en STR willen verkopen is duidelijk. Ze zullen enkel nog coureurs en teams sponsoren.

    • + 0
    • 29 sep 2015 - 09:58
  • zjeeraar

    Posts: 140

    Eerst zien, dan geloven.

    Maar op zich denk ik dat eerdere uitspraken als 'het is een energiedrankjesfabrikant, geen autofabrikant' zeker van toepassing is.
    Ze hebben nu eenmaal een ander soort motivatie dan de autofabrikanten.

    • + 0
    • 29 sep 2015 - 09:59
    • Jean Alesi

      Posts: 17.675

      niet bepaald,
      enkel de marketingwaarde vd f1 is van belang, zelfde geldt voor de autofabrikanten.
      Voor een stabielere f1 zou ik liever meer échte raceteams zien, maar die kunnen het niet meer opbrengen.
      Dat de autofabrikanten net zo goed de f1 de rug toekeren hebben we pak m beet 10 jaar terug al gezien, toen werd er geroepen dat het een slechte zaak is voor de f1 als de autofabrikanten teveel invloed krijgen dmv eigen teams, nu zijn we 10 jaar verder en zijn het 2 fabrikanten die de regels bepalen, er is dus weinig veranderd....

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:07
    • Erik FW34

      Posts: 3.561

      Jean,

      volgens mij is er nog steeds 1 mooi echt raceteam :-)

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:10
    • Jean Alesi

      Posts: 17.675

      @Erik FW34,
      Manor? Sauber? FI?
      ;-)

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:31
    • Erik FW34

      Posts: 3.561

      Shit, zijn er inderdaad 3 :-)

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:33
  • MArnoldi

    Posts: 2.480

    RedBull zit zo bizar te pushen en te bashen, dat het mij niet zal verbazen dat RB al een noodscenario klaar heeft liggen.

    18 auto's op de baan, is dat eerder gebeurd? In de jaren 2000 t/m 2004 waren er ook maar twee teams die de dienst uitmaakten.

    • + 0
    • 29 sep 2015 - 10:15
    • masf1

      Posts: 7.074

      Wat zal dat Nood scenario zijn?

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:18
    • Tomask250282

      Posts: 722

      @ MASF1 Dat zou ik idd ook wel eens willen weten. Heb gisteravond in het andere forum nog een post gedaan over de 2 opties die Red Bull qua motoren nog heeft. Misschien is dat een van de nood scenario's.

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:59
    • NOTHINGBUTTHETRUTH

      Posts: 13.929

      Wat is 'het andere forum'?

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:25
    • Tomask250282

      Posts: 722

      Sorry het andere item. Over dat Ferrari spelletje met Red Bull speelt.

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:34
  • Rimmer

    Posts: 11.467

    Mede dankzij RB (denk ook aan alle opstapklassen, evenementen, drivers program etc) is er binnen de racerij veel verbetert en geprofessionaliseerd. Coureurs met amper financiële middelen kregen kansen en sterren als Max en Vettel en Ricciardo en Kvyat kregen de kans zich te ontwikkelen. Overal zie en zag je die RB reclames.
    Ze wisten een team te formeren en de volledige dominantie te pakken. Zelfs de afgelopen twee jaar, met die beschamende Renault motor, bleek nog hoe goed RB en STR zijn en hoe goed zij hun teams en infrastructuur hadden opgezet.
    Het zou een enorme aderlating zijn als RB zich terugtrekt. Veel meer dan menig RB hater zich hier realiseert.
    Je hoeft de blikjes niet de drinken en je hoeft het team niet te supporten maar zonder hen valt er echt heel veel weg.
    De F1 zal wellicht blijven bestaan maar nu ze net een beetje op de weg terug lijken komt dit de sport wel heel ongelegen.
    Circuits kunnen de races nog amper organiseren, om succesvol te zijn moet je als grote fabrikant miljoenen/miljarden (over meerdere jaren) investeren en de kleinere teams zijn enkel veldvulling.
    Mercedes en Ferrari staan in hun recht, dat staat buiten kijf, maat er is ook zoiets als gezamenlijk belang. Straks hebben zij evengoed te maken met teruglopende kijkcijfers en te weinig concurrentie. Dan loont het voor de Mercedes directie ook niet meer.
    (Was het niet datzelfde Mercedes dat enkele seizoenen terug ook een exit wilde vanwege tegenvallende prestaties? Ternauwernood voorkomen weliswaar maar de directie was er klaar mee)
    Ik heb een hekel aan Renault maar daarom hoop ik nog wel dat ze blijven. Voor de sport.
    Spannende tijden. Laten we het beste hopen.

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    • 29 sep 2015 - 10:18
    • Boer Gijs

      Posts: 599

      Uw wil zal geschieden ,amen

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:21
    • NicoS

      Posts: 16.770

      Mooie duizendste post, helemaal eens.

      • + 1
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:22
    • Jan Almere

      Posts: 3.186

      Top +

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:28
    • Pietje Bell

      Posts: 21.588

      Goed gezegd RIMMER. Jammer van je avatar, daar zou iets heel anders moeten staan :-) Past niet bij jouw uitspraken.

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:38
    • Warlord

      Posts: 2.153

      @rimmer

      Rimming....ik bedoel winning! Ben het met je eens. De Formule 1 staat op een kruispunt of beter gezegd: Is bezig om 1 been over het randje van de afgrond te hangen. Ik haat RBR met passie, maar ik zie het somber in voor de competitie en de toekomst van de sport als ze verdwijnen.

      • + 1
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:47
    • Billgates307

      Posts: 9.429

      Amen Rimmer ;-)

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:36
    • Axel

      Posts: 2.328

      Helemaal met je eens. Red Bull doet veel voor de sport.

      Btw Red Bull sponsort ook het grote Nederlandse MX talent Jeffrey Herlings

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 19:25
  • Alonso14

    Posts: 210

    RedBull heeft een punt, 2015 motoren zal voor hun eenzelfde jaar opleveren, waar ze enkel in de subtop puntjes kunnen sprokkelen. Mateschitz heeft dan in mijn ogen gelijk, die investeringen zijn dan gewoon zinloos.

    • + 0
    • 29 sep 2015 - 10:21
    • Pietje2013

      Posts: 8.974

      Maar met 1 groot verschil. Met MB of Ferrari motoren kom je wel aan de finish.

      Een 2015 motor kan volgend jaar helemaal niet want er mag maar 1 motor gehomologeerd worden voor 2016 en dat moet voor 28 februari 2016 gedaan worden. Software daar in tegen..

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 13:45
  • roel2015

    Posts: 128

    Bedrijven zoals rb en in zekere zin mercedes hebben geen passie voor de sport en zien het alleen maar als marketingtool. Onder andere door Dit soort bedrijven gaat de formule 1 kapot. Ze kopen alle privateers op, drijven de kosten op en wanneer ze ze niet meer nodigs hebben laten ze de formule 1 vallen. Constructeurs zoals Williams, manor, sauber zwujn echte teams met passie die zonder formule 1 geen bestaansrecht hebben zullen de sport laten overleven. Alleen jammer dat de kosten nu zo zijn doorgeschoten dat zulke soort reams niet meer zullen komen

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    • 29 sep 2015 - 10:34
    • Jean Alesi

      Posts: 17.675

      100% met je eens! En de autofabrikanten zijn geen haar beter dan RB in deze

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:41
    • roel2015

      Posts: 128

      Oef, lees net mijn post terug.... Wat een spel en grammaticafouten! Mijn excuus...Hoop dat mijn boodschap toch een beetje doorkomt

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:44
    • lam janners

      Posts: 133

      Maak niet uit Roel,ga zo door

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:47
    • M.Schumi

      Posts: 2.113

      Persoonlijk vind ik Ferrari hier wel een uitzondering op!

      • + 0
      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:49
    • Tomask250282

      Posts: 722

      Zit een grote kern van waarheid in je verhaal. Over de passie van Red Bull ben ik het eens, Autosport is voor hun een markteting tool. Mercedes daarintegen is eigenlijk overal vertegenwoordigd waar het op ontwikkeling aan komt. Is idd ook marketing, maar is een stabiele factor op dit moment. Zeker voor de Formule 1. Samen met Ferrari. Waar constructeurs als Toyota, Honda en BMW de stekker uit het project hebben getrokken eind jaren, is Mercedes altijd door gegaan.
      Kostentechnisch is de ontwikkeling van de nieuwe P.U. inderdaad doorgeschoten, maar alle constructeurs hebben hun handtekening onder dat contract gezet. Ze wisten waar ze aan toe waren.

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 10:52
    • roel2015

      Posts: 128

      @M.Schumi ferrari vind ik ook een totaal ander verhaal. Ferrari was namelijk ook in eerste instantie "maar" een constructeur dat later straatauto's ging maken om de formule 1 te bekostigen (Williams doet dit nu ook de verkoop van hun vliegwiel technologie).

      @TOMASK250282 Mercedes is nu even een stabiele factor omdat ze winnen (dus goede marketing). Wanneer zij geen goed PU hadden geproduceerd hadden ze ook de stekker uit het project getrokken.

      Gekeken naar de geschiedenis van de laatste jaren is de kostenexplosie ook enigzins te verklaren met een paar voorbeelden:

      Stewart wordt "goedkoop" opgekocht door Jaguar (Marketingtool om auto's te verkopen). Privateer weg. Gooien er miljoenen tegenaan maar presteren niet. dus laten ze de formule 1 vallen. redbull koopt Jaguar op voor miljoenen en presteren niet. twee wagens weg van de grid.

      Tyrrel wordt opgekocht door BAR (privateer weg), wordt Honda. presteren niet dus weg.

      Minardi wordt opgekoscht door Redbull (privateer weg). Hebben straks misschien geen motor, redbull trekt de stekker eruit.

      Al deze merken die deze teams uit de voorbeelden hierboven hebben opgekocht gooiden er steeds meer miljoenen tegenaan waardoor de kosten dus ook hoger worden. privateers kunnen nooit deze teams terugkopen omdat dit gewoonweg te duur is geworden.
      Dat betekent dat grote merken deze teams moeten opkopen. De grote merken doen dit niet omdat de formule 1 geen toegevoegde waarde heeft voor hun waardoor er steeds minder teams op de grid staan.

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:29
    • roel2015

      Posts: 128

      Deze tendens is dus al jaren geleden ingezet toen er nog geen financiële crisis was. Het was hosanna tot en met! Totdat de crisis erin hakte.... de bedrijven moesten bezuinigen en kwamen erachter dat ze wel heel erg veel geïnvesteerd hadden om twee reclameborden te laten rijden en trokken dus de stekker eruit.

      De schuld ligt ook deels bij de privateers zelf. Zij zagen dollartekens op korte termijn wanneer een grote fabrikant met een zak geld aankwam maar hebben nooit gekeken naar de lange termijn wanneer een groot bedrijf zich ooit terug zou trekken

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:38
  • LimboF1

    Posts: 6.088

    Dus met andere woorden was het een speeltje voor een rijk iemand. Toen ze wonnen was alles koek en ei en nu gaat het minder en is het saai en kan hij niet meer opscheppen over zijn team(s). Nou in dit geval zeg ik, dag dag zwaai zwaai!!

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    • 29 sep 2015 - 10:48
    • Pietje Bell

      Posts: 21.588

      Als je ergens honderden miljoenen in investeert, wil je ook graag rendement zien.
      Hoeveel F1 kijkers zijn de afgelopen jaren wel niet afgehaakt, omdat het niet meer zoals vroeger was? En die hadden er zelfs geen cent in geïnvesteerd. Worden die ook allemaal zo negatief benaderd?

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:39
    • LimboF1

      Posts: 6.088

      Toen RBR zo dominant waren zijn ook veel fans afgehaakt en inderdaad ook door de grote verandering in de F1. Maar RB verdient ieder jaar nog altijd genoeg geld aan de F1, vorig jaar geloof ik nog 400 miljoen. Dus ondanks een slecht jaar hebben ze nog aardig verdient aan de F1. Hoe hun met coureurs en leveranciers omgaan is gewoon verre van netjes en hebben een grote bek en verwachten dingen te kunnen eisen. Ze kunnen niet bij een Ferrari eisen om fabrieksmateriaal te krijgen, dat is gewoon dwaas.
      Ik heb het gewoon gehad met RB en mogen van mij echt vertrekken, de F1 kan makkelijk zonder hun.

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:59
  • buran

    Posts: 250

    Ze zouden gewoon een eigen race serie moeten oprichten, zoals CART in het verleden. ;)

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    • 29 sep 2015 - 10:50
  • JDinkelman

    Posts: 2.472

    2 teams minder zou een zware klap zijn maar is wel een beter signlaal dan al het gezeur dat we van Marko (en in mindere mate van Horner) te horen hebben gekregen sinds 2014.

    Misschien dat Horner een Brawntje kan doen (maar dan wel zonder Marko). RBR overnemen met VES en RIC en het Renault contract voortzetten die wellicht volgend jaar beter voor de dag komen.

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    • 29 sep 2015 - 11:26
    • Insure

      Posts: 1.264

      @ JDINKELMAN

      Dat zal een hele goedkope oplossing zijn voor Red Bull en STR. Red Bull zou dan overgaan in Horner GP en STR in Tost GP. Alleen op prijzen en tv gelden kunnen de teams al 2016 overleven. Ik heb een tabel gevonden waar het prijzen en tv geld voor Red Bull al dik over de honderd miljoen ligt en dat van Toro Rosso al op 70 miljoen. Daar kan je al een team van draaiende houden.

      Dan zal het wel met een Renault motor of een soort Ferrari 2015 B spec worden. Ik zie die 2 teams ook nog heel competitief worden voor 2016 eigenlijk.

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 11:58
    • Insure

      Posts: 1.264

      Ik heb het "Brawntje" even opgezocht overigens. In December 2008 trok Honda er de stekker uit. Op 6 Maart 2009 werd Honda F1 pas overgenomen. Het was waarschijnlijk wel enkele weken eerder bekend dat ze Mercedes motoren kregen. Brawn GP werd in 2009 dus wereldkampioen. Om maar even te bewijzen hoeveel onzin Marko, Horner etc allemaal uitslaan.

      In de berichtgeving van die dagen hebben ze het erover dat er 80 miljoen zou zijn betaald voor de deal. Dat was niet waar, want Honda betaalde voor 2009 de rekeningen bij Brawn GP. Red Bull en STR maken die halve seconde achterstand op motoren gebied echt wel goed met een beter chassis.

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      • 29 sep 2015 - 12:10
  • Insure

    Posts: 1.264

    Helemaal met Rimmer eens. Een plusje ook voor hem. Het verlies van Red Bull zal een grote zijn. Ik denk dat Red Bull de komende dagen echter naar Ecclestone gaat en dan in zoverre dreigt dat Red Bull de Ferrari 2016 motoren gaat krijgen. Ferrari zal denk ik toch de schuld krijgen van een eventuele exit van Red Bull. De gemodificeerde 2015 motoren die Red Bull zou krijgen, is ook typisch een soort compromis en ook een openingsbod. Als je ze de sport uit wil hebben dan geef je ze 2015 motoren en ze willen ook geen concurrent helpen. Dus net geen 2016 motoren. Ik hoop dat iemand me kan verbeteren, maar volgens mij moet Ferrari sowieso 2016 motoren leveren. Als Red Bull tenminste de hoofdprijs betaald. Wat Ferrari aanbiedt is tegen de reglementen

    De exit van Red Bull kan ook eindelijk de ogen gaan open. En er kunnen eindelijk zeer grote stappen worden gezet. Ik noem zaken als een onafhankelijke motoren leverancier. Zoals Cosworth. Een soort van budgetlimiet. Ik doel op klanten auto's en misschien wel derde wagens.

    Een rijdersveld van 18 a 20 auto's is volstrekt Formule 1 onwaardig. Dat was in de jaren 80 toch echt beter. Laat vanaf 2017 maar 40 rijders toe tot een Formule 1 weekeinde. En laat ze maar pre kwalificeren. Dan heb je ook wat aan een Vrijdag.

    Dat Mateschitz van Red Bull racing af wilt is publiek geheim volgens mij. De vraag is alleen: Heeft de F1 in 2016 18 wagens op de grid of 22?

    • + 0
    • 29 sep 2015 - 11:46
  • Insure

    Posts: 1.264

    Nog een optie trouwens voor Red Bull. Gewoon het jaar 2016 opofferen. No way dat je voor aan staat volgend jaar en alvast beginnen met de auto van 2017. Dan gaan de regels op de schop en je hebt Newey. Dan heb je hele goede kans op wereldkampioenschap.

    Red Bull en vooral Mateschitz is nogal dom bezig.

    • + 0
    • 29 sep 2015 - 12:14
  • Benspeed

    Posts: 2.792

    Marko & Horner weten in elk geval wat te doen indien ze nog actief willen blijven in F1

    • + 0
    • 29 sep 2015 - 12:17
  • MacGyver

    Posts: 3.550

    Dieter schrikt niet van een boete van 500 miljoen voor contractbreuk met bernie, dat is hij nu per seizoen ook al kwijt aan twee teams

    • + 1
    • 29 sep 2015 - 13:40
  • liteon

    Posts: 95

    Geloof nooit dat Uncle Bernie toelaat dat Reb Bull en Torro Rosso de F1 verlaten.
    Er komt we Has F1 bij maar hij behoud ze liever in de F1.
    Dus Bernie zal zich er nog wel meer mee geen bemoeien.
    Hoop dat ze gewoon blijven.

    • + 0
    • 29 sep 2015 - 16:42
  • BeeDeePee

    Posts: 462

    Was ik Bernie geweest dan zou ik serieus RBR / TR en elk ander tuig dat er mee samen hangt uit de F1 trappen ... op Max na dan.

    Wat zijn het een stel gore / over paard getilde / achterbakse EIKELS in en rondom alles wat met RBR te maken heeft, ze hebben 0,0 respect voor niets wat met F1 samen hangt en staan elke dag weer met dat K#Tmerk dat ze de F1 gaan verlaten als ze geen A merk / A spec merk hebben .. Hoe lang zijn ze uberhaupt in F1 bezig geweest voordat ze uberhaupt succes hadden? 6 jaar! Daarvoor reden ze als veldvulling mee en nu ze een paar jaar succes hebben gehad kunnen ze niet accepteren dat ze niet elk jaar succes kunnen hebben ...

    Toont maar weer aan hoeveel respect McLaren voor de F1 heeft, ja .. Die hoor je zeuren over de Honda ( en ik geef ze gelijk ), maar dreigt Ron om F1 te verlaten als Honda geen succesmotor gaat bouwen?

    DM, neem die bruine-arm-draaier-schoothondje CH mee en vertrek ...

    • + -2
    • 29 sep 2015 - 19:19

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BHGrand Prix van Bahrein

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    16:00 - 18:00

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Team
Punten
1
Red Bull Racing
860
2
Mercedes
409
3
Ferrari
406
4
McLaren
302
5
Aston Martin
280
6
Alpine F1
120
7
Williams
28
8
Alpha Tauri
25
9
Alfa Romeo Racing
16
10
Haas F1
12
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