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'Red Bull kan band met Renault beter oplappen'

Gepubliceerd op 29 okt 2015 15:43
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Door: Rob Veenstra

Red Bull Racing doet er verstandig aan om vrede te sluiten met Renault, aangezien de Oostenrijkse renstal mogelijk aangewezen is op krachtbronnen van Franse makelij voor 2016. Dat advies is afkomstig van Mercedes-teampresident Niki Lauda. Volgens hem is Renault de enige overgebleven optie voor Red Bull Racing wat betreft motoren voor volgend jaar.

Helmut Marko zal nu wel spijt hebben van alle kritiek die hij op Renault heeft gespuid, denkt Lauda. "Wat de FIA ook beslist over een standaard klantenmotor, die is volgend jaar nog niet beschikbaar. Er zijn geen andere motorleveranciers, geen alternatieven. Wat ik zou doen als ik Red Bull was? Ferrari heeft nee gezegd, Mercedes heeft al vier klantenteams, Honda doet het niet. Dan blijft alleen Renault over."

"Als je het Marko vraagt, dan zal hij eerlijk toegeven dat hij te negatief is geweest in zijn uitspraken over Renault. Dat heeft hij mij weleens verteld. Wat ik probeer aan te geven is dat Renault de enige optie is voor Red Bull Racing als ze door willen gaan in de Formule 1, en ik geloof dat ze dat willen. Dan kunnen ze maar beter beginnen met het oplappen van die relatie. Dat is duidelijk."

Pietje2013

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Echte raceteams stappen er niet uit als het wat minder gaat!

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29 okt 2015 - 15:48

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Reacties (61)

Beemerdude

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Als ze ballen hebben bij RBR trekken ze de stekker er uit. De Formule 1 is al een paar jaar doodziek en wordt door kunstmatige beademing in leven gehouden; er moet chronisch iets veranderen anders is RBR niet de laatste die uitstapt.
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- 29 okt 2015 - 15:46
- Pietje2013
  
  Posts: 8.974
  Echte raceteams stappen er niet uit als het wat minder gaat!
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  29 okt 2015 - 15:48
- Benspeed
  
  Posts: 2.792
  Pietje heeft 1000% gelijk, dit had ik al vele malen op dit forum gemeld
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  29 okt 2015 - 15:54
- Calvinh
  
  Posts: 2.263
  RBR is ook geen "echt" raceteam, maar een marketingtool.
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  29 okt 2015 - 15:57
- Kennie
  
  Posts: 2.659
  Touché Calvinh !
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  29 okt 2015 - 15:59
- Calvinh
  
  Posts: 2.263
  Het is toch zo? Wanneer die tool niet meer effectief genoeg is, bijvoorbeeld door tegenvallende prestaties, is het voor het bedrijf logisch om de stekker eruit te halen, zeker als het op korte termijn niet beter lijkt te worden.
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  29 okt 2015 - 16:02
- Ligier
  
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  @Pietje, moeten ze wel een motor hebben voor als nog hebben ze deze niet deels door eigen schuld (relatie net Renault) deels door dat de andere "motor" leverancier te veel belang hebben bij hun eigen team en een sterke concurrent niet dulden. De oplossing in een onafhankelijke motor leverancier zoals in het verleden met Cosworth is het beste maar gaat niet op korte termijn werken. Verder zal deze leverancier wel wat beter werk moeten afleveren t.o.v. wat Cosworth de laatste keer liet zien.
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  29 okt 2015 - 16:06
- Wingleader
  
  Posts: 3.006
  Tja dat doen de autofabrikanten ook, zoals Toyota, Bmw, Ford. Van mij mag Mercedes per direct opzouten.
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  29 okt 2015 - 16:07
- Maximo
  
  Posts: 8.733
  Jaaaaaaaa lekker zijn jullie.
  
  Misschien zijn jullie ook wel "nep-fans"?!?!?!?!?!
  
  Wat maakt het nou uit of RB voor de marketing in de F1 zit? Dat is toch ook voor Ferrari het geval?
  
  UIk ben nooit fan geweest van RB in hun top jaren, omdat ze toen erg arrogant waren, net als Ferrari in hun topjaren. Lijkt wel wat hoogmoed die vanzelf komt met teveel overwinningen.
  
  RB was wel een leuk team in hun quest naar de top, beetje jongens die het allemala anders durvden als de gebruikelijke teams.
  
  En vergeet ook niet dat er geen ander team is dat net zo veel F1 promotie evenementen organiseert als RB/TR. Meer dan Ferrari, Mercedes en McLaren bij elkaar begreep ik laatst.
  
  Dus....... ook al is die Marko een eikel, ik hoop dat RB/TR wel bij de F1 blijft.
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  29 okt 2015 - 16:25
- amgbenz
  
  Posts: 272
  @wingleader beetje onzin dan mag Ferrari ook weg beetje rare opmerking .Ferrari wil niet leveren MB niet en Honda ook niet dus
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  29 okt 2015 - 17:01
- Jan Almere
  
  Posts: 3.186
  @Maximo, dat probeer ik hier ook al de hele tijd te vertellen iedereen roep maar rot op enz maar ze vergeten wat ze betekenen voor de F1 en dat is inderdaad een heleboel Demo's en in elke klasse zie je wel een auto in de kleuren van RB plus een perfect opleidings team onder de naam van STR en dat valt voor de mazzel allemaal weg, nou dat is een heel groot gat wat er gaat ontstaat in de F1.
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  29 okt 2015 - 17:15
- BeaR
  
  Posts: 1.695
  Ik weet niet wat RBR heeft gedaan de afgelopen jaren om zo'n negatieve indruk te krijgen bij sommigen hier. Ik ben meer dan 30 jaar grote fan geweest van de F1, sinds de F1 achter de decoder is gegaan heb ik niet veel meer gezien. Tot aan eind vorig jaar.
  Max heeft voor mij de sport weer nieuw leven ingeblazen.
  
  Er wordt gesproken over marketing tool:
  Zoals ik het zie zijn er maar 3 echte F1 bedrijven en dat zijn Ferrari, Williams en Mclaren.
  Maar eigenlijk Ferrari nu ook niet meer en Mclaren voor een deel.
  Ferrari maakt dan als enige zelf motoren, terwijl de andere 2 afhankelijk zijn leverancier.
  Maar laten we nou eerlijk zijn. Alle teams gaat het toch om marketing. Goede bekendheid/prestaties doet verkopen. Ook in merchandise. Kijk maar naar Max. Is zo onderhand een wandelende reclamezuil en zal alleen maar erger worden. Miscchen helemaal omdat het NDL elftal geen EK heeft volgend jaar.
  
  Alle teams racen M.I. voor reclame. Renault klaagde er zelfs over dat ze minder genoemd werd. Zelfs als de marketing voor Mercedes niet werkt zijn ze zo weg.
  Vandaar dat ik eigenlijk best wel respect heb voor Red Bull, die er toch (zo wordt verteld) zo'n 600 mio in stopt per jaar. Dan mag je toch wel wat eisen mag ik zo hopen.
  Ook zijn zij de enige die ik heb meegemaakt die een junior team heeft, iets waar juist Ferrari (gezien historie) het voortouw zou moeten nemen. M.I. Een gemiste kans.
  Moet makkelijk kunnen als je bekijkt hoeveel ze uitgeven aan de rijders tov de andere coureurs. Dat terwijl ze de grootste ontvanger zijn van F1 gelden.
  
  PS. Sorry voor mijn speech ;-)
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  29 okt 2015 - 17:33
- Raikkonen-FAN
  
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  Alle raceteams behalve de privateers zijn marketingtools..
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  29 okt 2015 - 17:38
- manuel
  
  Posts: 3.119
  Als ze de ballen hebben blijven ze juist.... niks mis mee om bakzeil te halen. Veranderingen kunnen ook zonder uitstappen bereikt worden . ik wil volgend jaar geen drie Mercedessen en Ferrari`s zien.
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  29 okt 2015 - 17:47
- Pietje2013
  
  Posts: 8.974
  "Misschien zijn jullie ook wel "nep-fans"?!?!?!?!?!"
  
  Ik niet. Anders had ik wel een andere avatar!
  
  Ik schaam me niet voor slechte resultaten. Fan for life!
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  29 okt 2015 - 17:54
- Runningupthathill
  
  Posts: 17.626
  Voor Ferrari, McLaren en zeker voor Mercedes is dit net zowel een marketingtool. Sterker nog, het merk Ferrari had zonder F1 nooit bestaan. Mercedes gebruikt Hamilton en Rosberg samen met hun prestaties om hun merk te promoten. Zelfs Force India gebruikt hun F1-team als marketingtool voor allerlei bedrijven van Mallya.
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  29 okt 2015 - 21:00
- sebvettel1
  
  Posts: 243
  Red Bull zit er straks al 12 jaar in als team en daarvoor ik weet niet hoe lang al als sponsor, ze zitten er volgens mij al langer in dan toyota. Als ze uitstappen kijk je straks alleen nog maar naar zilveren en rode auto's. Ik vind op dit moment toch al dat als je formule 1 kijkt dat je naar een Mercedes feestje kijk. Ik hoop van harte dat red bull een motor kan scoren en dan ook 1 die wat tegenstand kan bieden aan Mercedes.
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  30 okt 2015 - 00:31
Need5Speed

Posts: 2.863
Renault kan ook zomaar de stekker eruit trekken, en dan?

Daarbij, als je bij Ghosn moet gaan bedelen... dat is gewoon te erg!
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- 29 okt 2015 - 15:52
- Benspeed
  
  Posts: 2.792
  Ik denk dat ze dat contract met RBR nog moeten eerbiedigen tot einde 2016, tenzij het contract reeds is ontbonden, maar daar hebben we nog niets over gelezen dacht ik...
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  29 okt 2015 - 15:56
- Kennie
  
  Posts: 2.659
  @Benspeed ik meende vorige week hier gelezen te hebben dat ze het hebben opgezegd omdat ze vrij zeker waren dat ze Mercedes motoren konden krijgen.
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  29 okt 2015 - 16:01
- Benspeed
  
  Posts: 2.792
  Als dit zo is is het amen en uit voor RBR vees ik...
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  29 okt 2015 - 16:17
Gompie

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Als zoenoffer schoppen die eerst die hoogbejaarde seniele Marko er uit, en gaan dan lekker door met Renault, wedden?
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- 29 okt 2015 - 15:59
- RogerZzz
  
  Posts: 9.263
  @Boer Gijs:
  
  Wat een schandalige opmerking. Tekenend voor het hedendaagse niveau van deze eens zo leuke site. Precies waar ik al bang voor was: met een succesvolle Nederlander in de F1 komt ook het ongenuanceerde carnavalspubliek dat normaliter in Thialf zit de hoek om kijken. Om je dood te schamen.
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  29 okt 2015 - 21:59
j1n0

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Waarom bemoeit Lauda zich in hemelsnaam met deze kwestie van een ander team......aandachttrekkerij. Lekker boeiend wat Lauda hiervan vindt.
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- 29 okt 2015 - 16:00
- Boer Gijs
  
  Posts: 599
  lauda is niet goed bezig,hij luisterd ook maar met half oor
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  29 okt 2015 - 17:51
- Klapband
  
  Posts: 366
  En de grap is, Lauda zei in het voorjaar laat Renault maar stoppen dan voorzien wij de grid wel van motoren zoals in de jaren 70 toen zowat iedereen met een Mercedes motor reed (behalve Ferrari)...
  
  ...en wat nou als Renault inderdaad stopt ?
  
  Ik mag 'm graag, maar hij lult er soms echt in om.
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  29 okt 2015 - 18:44
- Big_El
  
  Posts: 2.137
  Als Lauda iets gevraagd wordt dan geeft hij antwoord. Daarnaast is hij naast adviseur voor Mercedes ook analist voor bepaalde TV omroepen. Dus dat hij hier iets over zegt is niet zo vreemd...
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  29 okt 2015 - 21:42
- RogerZzz
  
  Posts: 9.263
  @Boer Gijs:
  
  Zie mijn reactie boven Gompie.
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  29 okt 2015 - 22:01
bullshit

Posts: 95
Wat voor spelletje speelt Mercedes toch in de motor soap van RB? Toto die van alles roept maar vooral dat zij wel met drie wagens willen rijden dus eigenlijk RB rot maar op. Nu Lauda die nog even zout in de wonden wil strooien. Zijn ze zo bang voor RB? Bang dat RB volgend jaar met toch een goede motor voor de dag komt en het Mercedes moeilijk gaat maken. Lafaards zijn het daar bij de Duitsers.
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- 29 okt 2015 - 16:03
- Kevin-R34
  
  Posts: 882
  Jij hebt duidelijk liggen slapen bij eerdere berichten dat Mercedes niks kon beginnen met Red Bull omdat ze nog een contract hadden met Renault. Daarnaast willen Ferrari en McLaren net zo goed Red Bull niet sterker maken.. Daar hoor ik jou dan ook weer niet over. Een typische Mercedes trol ben je.
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  29 okt 2015 - 17:13
Matn

Posts: 964
if, when, why, what...

Geen van de partijen heeft zich nog ergens aan verbonden.

RB / Renault niet officieel ontbonden
TR / Ferrari niet officieel bevestigd
Renault / Lotus niet officieel bevestigd

MGP, Ferrari, Honad hebben voorlopig afstand genomen maar ook daar is niets officieel vastgelegd.

Wel kunnen we concluderen dat TR en Ferrari redelijk waarschijnlijk lijkt en ook Lotus lijkt al bezig te zijn met een chassis voor Renault motor.

Ferrari, MGP geven geen 2016 spec te willen leveren en gaan dat vast ook niet meer doen. Hondag zou een verplichting tov de FIA hebben daarnaast is renault nog een steeds actueel voor RB.

Gezien de huidige Honda moter die 2,5 sec achter ligt is Renault + 32 tokens voor RBR de beste en meest reeel optie.
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- 29 okt 2015 - 16:04
NOTHINGBUTTHETRUTH

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"Als je het Marko vraagt, dan zal hij eerlijk toegeven dat hij te negatief is geweest in zijn uitspraken over Renault. Dat heeft hij mij weleens verteld."

Marko zal zich wel 100.000 keer bedenken voor hij Lauda nog eens iets toevertrouwd!
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- 29 okt 2015 - 16:40
- Jan Almere
  
  Posts: 3.186
  Ja, niet te filmen dit dat je zoiets door verteld.
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  29 okt 2015 - 17:02
- James Raven
  
  Posts: 2.295
  Wellicht is het niet in vertrouwen gezegd?
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  30 okt 2015 - 09:42
Rogier hier

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Het is een soap... Mercedes wil niet zegt RBR, wij zijn nooit gevraagd zegt Mercedes... Renault en Lotus? Wel/niet? En Ferrari wordt die nu partner bij STR of niet? Volgens mij is het een rookgordijn en komt er nog écht verrassend nieuws. Beetje konijn uit de hoge hoed zeg maar...
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- 29 okt 2015 - 17:07
- NOTHINGBUTTHETRUTH
  
  Posts: 13.929
  Je bedoelt dat Karthikeyan zijn comeback zal maken en Kimi daarom alsnog de zak krijgt?
  Dat Vettel toegeeft dat hij thuis een zevenling heeft?
  Dat Bernie blijkt voorzien te zijn van bionische elementen waardoor hij nog minstens 85 jaar meekan?
  
  Die dingen?
  
  ;-)
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  29 okt 2015 - 17:24
- Rogier hier
  
  Posts: 6.315
  Jij zou het toch moeten weten met zo'n naam... ;-)
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  30 okt 2015 - 07:33
franky

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of rb toch met ferrari 2016 spec met als beding max nu naar rb en 2017 naar ferrari
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- 29 okt 2015 - 17:31
- Big_El
  
  Posts: 2.137
  Zou wat zijn. En dan Max die overwinningen haalt in een Newey wagen met Ferrari motor...
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  29 okt 2015 - 21:45
Pietje2013

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"Misschien zijn jullie ook wel "nep-fans"?!?!?!?!?!"

Ik niet. Anders had ik wel een andere avatar!
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- 29 okt 2015 - 17:52
- Pietje2013
  
  Posts: 8.974
  Dit hoorde bovenaan..
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  29 okt 2015 - 17:55
- Maximo
  
  Posts: 8.733
  Nou vooruit dan maar, als je Honda mooi vindt:)
  
  Maar besef je wel wat RB allemaal voor de F1 en alle klasses daaronder doet? Da's echt niet mis en dat zou zeker een gemis zijn als RB weg zou vallen. Je hoeft toch geen fan van de RB leiding te zijn om toch hun input voor de racerij te waarderen?
  
  En let er maar op, als Honda / McLaren het voor elkaar krijgt en zo maar 3 a 4 jaar het beste team zijn, dan gaan zij net zo'n hooghartige attitude krijgen als de RB top heeft gekregen in hun toptijd.
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  29 okt 2015 - 18:41
- Ti2
  
  Posts: 238
  @MAXIMO You get "it" ;)
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  29 okt 2015 - 19:39
- Pietje2013
  
  Posts: 8.974
  Honda is een bijkomstigheid. Net als Ford/Porsche/Mercedes/Peugeot.
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  29 okt 2015 - 20:39
- Big_El
  
  Posts: 2.137
  @Maximo: McLaren blaast al jaren arrogant van de toren. Zelfs de afgelopen jaren waarin ze moeite hebben om punten te scoren... Dus als die weer races gaan winnen dan zijn die weer helemaal niet te genieten. Wat dat betreft was dat een stuk beter onder leiding van Whitmarsh... Alleen vielen in die jaren de resultaten dus een beetje tegen.
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  29 okt 2015 - 21:47
- Pietje2013
  
  Posts: 8.974
  MW is de oorzaak van de afbraak de laatste jaren!
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  30 okt 2015 - 08:57
perestijn

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Misschien komt er nog een liefdesbaby..............GTST .....lol
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- 29 okt 2015 - 19:28
LimboF1

Posts: 6.088
Die deuk kunnen ze gewoon weg niet eruit poetsen, daarvoor heeft RB teveel uitspraken gedaan die ze niet hadden moeten doen. Ze zijn aan elkaar overgeleverd vanwege een contract en waarschijnlijk Ecclestone. Maar na 2016 zullen de banden breken, daar ben ik wel van overtuigd. Renault zal dan voor zichzelf kiezen of vertrekken. Het is voor de overige teams/motorleveranciers duidelijk geworden dat je RB niet als partner wil. Gaat het minder dan komen ze met uitspraken die ze voor zich moeten houden of politiek correct moeten aankleden. Maar met een idioot als Marko is dat moeilijk, hij denk dat hij alles kan zeggen en denk niet verder na. Ik hoop voor de coureurs en de teamleden dat ze een motor hebben voor komend jaar en daarna, maar voor de rest heb ik weinig met RB en zou er niet om rouwen als ze de stekker uit het F1 project trekken.
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- 29 okt 2015 - 20:40
- Jan Almere
  
  Posts: 3.186
  Waarschijnlijk niet alleen de F1 maar ze doen wel iets meer in de autosport in alle klasse zijn ze wel vertegenwoordigd en STR valt ook weg plus dat volgens jou Renault ook over een jaar,dat schiet lekker op zo, oja Lotus vergeet je ook nog voor de mazzel dat is dan ook over en sluiten.
  Ik geloof dat het een drama wordt voor de autosport als dat gebeurt als jij je zin krijgt.
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  29 okt 2015 - 21:06
Arran

Posts: 1.454
Zal me niet eens gaan verbazen Marko "geslachtofferd" gaat worden bij een eventuele verzoening tussen RB en Renault, waarna Horner naar voren wordt geschoven. Zover ik me kan herinneren was Horner altijd meer gematigd met zijn uitlatingen.
Zal me niet geheel verbazen dat Renault die toch een redelijke imago schade heeft opgelopen, door de uitlatingen van Marko, dit als eis gaat stellen voor leveringen.

Persoonlijk, en hoor dit ook van vele echte experts dat uittreding van RB van de F1 niet iets waar men op zit te wachten, natuurlijk zal het geen directe doodsteek zijn, maar wel een behoorlijke klap, zo'n beetje gelijk als Mercedes of Ferrari nu uit de F1 zou stappen, dat zou net als RB, een behoorlijke aderlating zijn voor de sport.

Maar de relatie is terdege verziekt tussen RB en Renault, en iemand zal zeker door het stof moeten gaan kruipen. En ik denk dat Marko vanwege zijn uitingen hier de aangewezen persoon voor zal zijn.

Maar goed dit is geheel speculatie aan mijn kan, maar ik zou het zeker een zwaar verlies willen noemen als RB verdwijnt uit de F1.
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- 29 okt 2015 - 21:04
- Big_El
  
  Posts: 2.137
  Horner naar voren schuiven heeft weinig zin... Die is al de teambaas, Marko is 'slechts' adviseur. Maar als verzoening zou inderdaad het slachtofferen van Marko vereist zijn, dat kan bijna niet anders. En dan bijvoorbeeld proberen een Berger, Alesi of Prost die plek te laten overnemen (vooral die laatste zou een goede optie zijn als Lotus geen Renault fabrieksteam wordt).
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  29 okt 2015 - 21:50
- RogerZzz
  
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  Ik zie Marko niet zo snel geslachtofferd worden.
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  29 okt 2015 - 22:04
- James Raven
  
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  Waarom niet? En het zal dan sowieso een "promotie" worden.
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  30 okt 2015 - 09:45
Gigi

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Lovend artikel op Sky over Max www.skysports.com/(...)-eye-him-for-future
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- 29 okt 2015 - 21:06
erikworld

Posts: 927
Red Bull Renault, Toro Rosso Ferrari 2015 en Lotus Renault.
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- 29 okt 2015 - 21:07
Insure

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Bernie heeft lopen blaten dat Red Bull en Renault hun contract verbroken hadden. Als dat echt zo was dan had Wolff niet de voorwaarde gesteld dat Red Bull eerst haar contract met Renault zou moeten opzeggen. Ook in alle andere reconstructies komt dat beeld naar voren.

Red Bull en Renault hebben nog gewoon een contract. Ik zou ook niet weten hoe je het moet ontbinden. De deal tussen Red Bull en Renault is namelijk behoorlijk ingewikkeld. Renault zorgt voor de hoofdsponsoring van Red Bull. Red Bul betaalt op haar beurt geloof ik weer mee aan het samen ontwikkelen van de motor. Naast het sponsor contract is er dan weer het contract voor het leveren van motoren. Dat zal allemaal juridisch worden vastgelegd.

Red Bull heeft vanaf de zomer een rondje gemaakt bij Mercedes. Toen ze daar nul op rekest kregen, werd het Ferrari. Daarna werd er poging ondernomen met Honda. Dat werd ook afgewezen. Over de sport verlaten hoor je hun ook niet meer.

Ik zeg niet dat het geen optie. Dat Red Bull de sport verlaat, maar het lijkt me het meest waarschijnlijke dat ze met Renault verder gaan. Er hoeft niets te worden opgelapt. Het zal voor Red Bull helemaal een godsvermogen kosten om van Renault af te komen.

Renault kan bij de rechter wat quotes van Marko laten zien, maar ik denk dat die ook heel moeilijk onder dat contract gaan uitkomen. Red Bull moet bij een andere motorenleverancier bovendien op zoek naar een nieuwe hoofdsponsor.

Wel apart dat Lauda als reden vermeldt dat Mercedes al vier teams heeft waar ze aan leveren. Ik zie Mercedes elke dag hun verhaal wijzigen. Eerst waren ze bang dat ze om de oren zouden worden gereden. Toen kwam Mateschitz niet meer terug. En nu kan er niet aan Red Bull worden geleverd omdat ze aan vier teams al leveren. Dus...
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- 29 okt 2015 - 21:28
Gigi

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De soap mag wel eens klaar zijn. Hak een knoop door. Welke dan ook.
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- 29 okt 2015 - 21:29
Maximiliaan

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Als ik alles zo lees en hoor, dan komt die Lauda op mij over als de Judas van de F1. Iedereen heeft Marko afgezeken tot op het bot, maar die Lauda is volgens mij nog tig x erger. Bah, laat aub snel een oplossing komen, 'one way or the other' , dan kan die Lauda ook weer snel van het toneel, weg ermee! Ga lekker frühshoppen!
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- 29 okt 2015 - 21:47
- RogerZzz
  
  Posts: 9.263
  @Maximiliaan:
  
  Of Lauda weet precies hoe het spelletje gespeeld moet worden. Ik mag hem wel. En kijk als Ferrari-fan met afgunst naar de organisatie van Mercedes AMG. :-)
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  29 okt 2015 - 22:03
- AyrtonS
  
  Posts: 3.984
  Duitse grundichkeit?
  
  Of toch sjoemel softwaren in die motor ;-)
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  30 okt 2015 - 10:52
kajin

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Gewoon een paar motor bouwer van Mercedes wegkopen dan is de motor snel up to date ;-)
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- 30 okt 2015 - 15:25

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