Verschil tussen Mercedes en Ferrari 10 tot 15 pk

  • Gepubliceerd op 06 nov 2015 16:52
  • comments 20
  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Het verschil tussen de motor van Mercedes en de aandrijflijn van Ferrari is gedurende dit seizoen geslonken naar nog maar 10 tot 15 pk. Dat schrijft BBC Sport. Renault komt ongeveer 60 pk tekort ten opzichte van Mercedes, terwijl Honda op nog grotere achterstand staat.

De Japanse motorenpartner van McLaren geeft minstens 80 pk toe op de beste krachtbron van dit moment en aan het einde van de rechte stukken kan dat zelfs oplopen tot 250 pk. Het probleem van Honda zit hem in de energie hergebruikende systemen en dan met name MGU-H.

De verbrandingsmotor produceert namelijk maar 30 pk minder dan die van Mercedes. De hybride systemen van Honda slaan alleen te weinig energie op tijdens een rondje en daardoor raakt het extra vermogen dat ERS levert al ver voor het einde van een rechte stuk op.

De oorzaak zit hem in het ontwerp van de motor. Honda heeft net als Mercedes ervoor gekozen om de compressor voor de turbine te plaatsen, met de MGU-H ertussen. De compressor zit namelijk niet voor de motor, zoals bij Mercedes, maar tussen de cilinders in de V-vorm.

Daardoor is de compressor van Honda veel kleiner dan die van Mercedes. De Japanse autofabrikant dacht met de compacte krachtbron een voordeel te hebben, maar dit werkt averechts. De compressor kan de lucht niet genoeg samenpersen en MGU-H haalt te weinig energie uit de uitlaatgassen. Honda kan dit pas in de winter herstellen door het ontwerp te veranderen.

Maximo

Posts: 8.733

Dat vertaal ik zo.... Honda maakt de nodige aanpassingen deze winter en is de eerste 6 races van 2016 wederom met betrouwbaarheid aan het prutsen.

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  • 6 nov 2015 - 16:59

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  • Kevin-R34

    Posts: 882

    Dat blijft puur speculeren hoe groot de motorische verschillen onderling exact zijn. Maar ik denk wel dat dit een goede schatting is ongeveer.

    • + 2
    • 6 nov 2015 - 16:58
    • Teams weten exact wat de concurrentie aan vermogen heeft. Dit doen ze met geluidsanalyse. Is vrij nauwkeurig.

      Die min komt niet van mij.

      • + 1
      • 6 nov 2015 - 17:21
    • Kevin-R34

      Posts: 882

      Is dat zo ja? Dat wist ik niet. Weer wat bijgeleerd dan :)

      • + 0
      • 6 nov 2015 - 17:58
  • Maximo

    Posts: 8.733

    Dat vertaal ik zo.... Honda maakt de nodige aanpassingen deze winter en is de eerste 6 races van 2016 wederom met betrouwbaarheid aan het prutsen.

    • + 3
    • 6 nov 2015 - 16:59
    • de plaats van die 2e turbo kan ook een reden zijn dat de betrouwbaarheid er niet is: als die samen met de MGU-H "in de V" van de motor zit kan koeling natuurlijk wel eens lastiger zijn dan als die ervoor of erachter zit.

      • + 0
      • 6 nov 2015 - 17:02
  • 10 á 15pk klinkt als peanuts op het totaalvermogen en dat is het misschien ook wel. Maar uit dit artikel blijkt al dat de verschillen in zoveel andere dingen zitten.
    De titel is dus leuk, maar het zegt eigenlijk helemaal niks.

    • + 0
    • 6 nov 2015 - 17:00
  • Stitch

    Posts: 6.063

    nou maar hopen dat Torro Rosso volgend jaar met Ferrari rijd, dan kan Max lekker "Rossen" met die bak ;-)

    • + 1
    • 6 nov 2015 - 17:11
  • Weet niet of mensen een antwoord hebben, maar die hybride systemen leveren toch meer op dan alleen 160 pk 33 sec tijdens een rondje? Blijft erg complex allemaal om het te begrijpen.

    • + 0
    • 6 nov 2015 - 17:13
  • Onmogelijk dat het verschil tussen de Honda ICE en Mercedes ICE maar "80" PK is met uitschieters naar 250 PK, dat zou betekenen dat de ICE PK's verliest naarmate de wagen harder rijd en er totaal geen ERS werkt

    • + 0
    • 6 nov 2015 - 17:14
    • Buxoq

      Posts: 174

      Goed lezen de ICE zelf van Honda levert 30pk minder dan de Mercedes het zijn de componenten er omheen die het laten oplopen tot 80pk en als de ERS leeg is zelfs 250pk althans zo lees ik het.

      • + 2
      • 6 nov 2015 - 17:18
  • Doordat de turbo in de V ligt kon de hele motor weer een paar mm naar voren voor de #sizezero. Het probleem voor een kleinere turbo dachten ze op te lossen met meer RPM. Max is 125k rpm maar in deze motorformule ligt het gemiddelde op 100k. Honda draaid dus op max. Vandaar dat zij in Mexico daar ook niet aan konden tweaken. Deze kleine turbo met veel rpm werkt voor de ICE daar zij niet grote verschillen hebben (30pk in het 1e jaar t.o. een doorontwikkelde ICE)

    Het probleem zit in de MGU-H. Die extra rpm gaan ten koste van de betrouwbaarheid. Die rpm is aan de bovengrens wat op dit moment haalbaar is. Eigenlijk is groot met minder rpm beter dan klein met veel rpm terwijl op papier dezelfde uitkomst eruit komt.

    • + 0
    • 6 nov 2015 - 17:29
    • sjeeke

      Posts: 49

      Wat ik gelezen heb weten ze waar het probleem zit, alleen mogen ze dit pas in winter wijzigen.

      • + 0
      • 6 nov 2015 - 17:59
  • louc_

    Posts: 2.303

    Dus wat Ferrari gewonnen heeft op Mercedes de laatste 2j, word Ferrari het topteam volgend jaar. Snel 2016 word!

    • + 0
    • 6 nov 2015 - 17:57
    • Als Ferrari weer zo veel meer uit de motor kan halen in de winter, dan kan Vettel misschien wel voor nummertje 5 gaan :D

      • + 0
      • 6 nov 2015 - 18:05
    • sjeeke

      Posts: 49

      Dan denk ik dat redbull en STR samen met Mercedes met het chassis ver boven de rest uitsteekt als Ferrari zo kort op de Mercedes zit. Maar denk dat Mercedes nog wel iets achter de hand houdt en dat ze daar daar de kraan niet helemaal open draaien.

      • + 0
      • 6 nov 2015 - 19:54
  • IK ZEG VAN RUILEN KOMT HUILEN MAAR NIET IN DIT GEVAL .

    • + 0
    • 6 nov 2015 - 20:00
  • Kevin

    Posts: 5.294

    Ik verwacht niet anders dan dat Ferrari volgend seizoen the team to beat it. Sinds Arrivabene daar de scepter zwaait is het team een stuk professioneler, dat vertaalt zich dit seizoen naar betere prestaties op het circuit en een gedicht gat naar Mercedes. Ik zie niet waarom Ferrari die laatste paar tienden komende winter niet goed zou kunnen maken als ze zich zo doorontwikkelen als ze tot nu toe hebben gedaan.

    • + 0
    • 6 nov 2015 - 20:28
  • wat gaat ik doen ? 575 pk of 720 pk

    • + 0
    • 6 nov 2015 - 20:40
  • MightyMax

    Posts: 838

    Denk dat het gat nog wel iets groter is. Daarbij is het uitaccellereren van MB ook echt beter.

    • + 0
    • 6 nov 2015 - 20:44

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module:Ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00000501s)
""
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sidebar:sidebar-news-read::ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00000215s)
""
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module:Ads (0Q - total module time: 0.00000310s)
""
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sidebar:sidebar-news-read::gpcalendar (0Q - total module time: 0.00000191s)
""
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module:GpCalendar (0Q - total module time: 0.00016809s)
""
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sidebar:sidebar-news-read::driver_Info (0Q - total module time: 0.00000691s)
""
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module:Driver\Info (0Q - total module time: 0.00002193s)
""
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sidebar:sidebar-news-read::team_Info (0Q - total module time: 0.00000381s)
""
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module:Team\Info (0Q - total module time: 0.00023198s)
""
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sidebar:sidebar-news-read::linkedKeywords (0Q - total module time: 0.00000715s)
""
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sidebar:sidebar-news-read::gpsidebarnavigation (0Q - total module time: 0.00000310s)
""
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module:GpSidebarNavigation (0Q - total module time: 0.00035596s)
""
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module:Layout\Footer (0Q - total module time: 0.00010180s)
""
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module:News\Breaking (0Q - total module time: 0.00037098s)
""
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done
""