'Todt raakt meer gefrustreerd door grote teams'

  • Gepubliceerd op 11 nov 2015 16:54
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Het plan voor een onafhankelijke leverancier van standaard motoren voor klantenteams is geboren uit frustratie bij Jean Todt, voorzitter van de internationale autosportbond FIA. De Fransman baalt als een stekker dat hij de grote Formule 1-teams er niet toe kan bewegen om iets aan de torenhoge kosten te doen. Dat stelt Bob Fernley, vice-teambaas van Force India, tegenover Autosport.

"Al twee jaar werken wij wanhopig met de FIA samen om iets van kostenbesparingen in gang te zetten", steekt hij van wal. "We hebben ook met Bernie Ecclestone gewerkt aan een meer rechtvaardige verdeling van de inkomsten. Wat we nu zien met de lobby van Jean Todt voor een standaard klantenmotor, dat komt voort uit frustratie."

"Bij de vergaderingen en persconferenties hoor je van alle kanten dat iedereen vastberaden is om de kosten te reduceren, maar als het erop aan komt stemmen ze toch tegen. Welke kostenbesparende maatregelen hebben de grote teams nou gesteund? Dat is het probleem. De inkomsten en uitgaven zijn voor de meeste teams niet in balans, daar moeten we wat aan doen."

Kevin

Posts: 5.294

Als de groten dat niet willen, dan pakken ze hun spullen en vertrekken ze lekker. F1 moet weer terug naar de basis, de FIA bepaalt het reglement en teams kiezen ervoor onder de voorwaarden van de FIA wel/niet deel te nemen. Het is belachelijk dat Barcelona bepaalt wat de regels van het voetbal zi... [Lees verder]

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  • 11 nov 2015 - 20:45

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  • Capy5

    Posts: 197

    Niks geen kosten plafond voor motoren laat de fabrieksteams vrij in de ontwikkelingen

    Stel echter in dat ze de andere teams tegen een vastgestelde prijs per jaar de motoren leveren die nooit meer dan 1 of 2 updates ouder zijn met de verplichting aan minimaal 3 andere teams te leveren

    Dan kunnen ze het zo duur maken als ze zelf willen en weten de Andere teams waar ze aan toe zijn

    Je kunt het ook nog zo doen dat de teams verdeeld worden in fabrieksteams en privé teams waarbij dan de teams die als laatste geëindigd zijn in het constructeurs kampioenschap de eerste keus hebben

    • + 0
    • 11 nov 2015 - 17:01
    • Stitch

      Posts: 6.063

      Dat was de bedoeling, maar daar heeft Ferrari dus een veto over uitgesproken. Nu word getoetst of dit terecht ingezet werd, omdat dit vetorecht tot stand kwam om de teambelangen te kunnen verdedigen tegen de andere constructeurs die allen in Engeland zitten. Als Todt kan aantonen dat het niet gebruikt werd voor het eigen teambelang dan zou het veto nog kunnen vervallen, wat overigen in mijn ogen moeilijk zal zijn omdat Ferrari kan zeggen (dat hebben ze al gedaan bij monde van Marchionne) dat het niet in hun belang is dat er een vaste prijs voor motoren komt. Dit stond als ik het goed heb goster nog hier op de site te lezen.

      • + 0
      • 11 nov 2015 - 20:39
    • Stitch

      Posts: 6.063

      goster = gister

      • + 0
      • 11 nov 2015 - 20:40
    • Brammus

      Posts: 778

      Waarom Capy? Serieus, waarom? Alleen de banden zijn. om wat voor reden dan ook, onder dit soort reglementen onderhevig... Nu de motoren ook?!?! En wat dan met de chassis? Coureurs???
      Sterker nog; ik zou zeggen geef alles vrij financieel gezien maar beperk alleen maar de maximale inkomsten van sponsoring!!
      Lijkt te slaan als een tang op een varken maar is in feite hetzelfde als inkomsten- verplichting én beperking van de motoren

      • + 0
      • 11 nov 2015 - 23:38
  • Algarve

    Posts: 522

    Groot gelijk, al komt het een paar jaar te laat. Jaarlijkse budgetten van de vier topteams gaan nergens meer over en verzieken de hele sport..

    F1 2015 team budgets:
    1. Red Bull Racing (€266m + €35.7m + €167m) = €468.7m
    2. Mercedes (€122m + €212.4m + €133m) = €467.4m
    3. McLaren Honda (€144.5m + €216.5m + €104m) = €465m
    4. Ferrari (€208.5m + €34.5m + €175m) = €418m

    5. Williams (€ 52.5m + €22.9m + €111m) = €186.4m
    6. Lotus (€ 69.5m + €13.6m + € 56m) = €139.1m
    7. Toro Rosso (€ 68m + €9.45m + € 60m) = €137.45m
    8. Force India (€ 49.5m + €12.2m + € 68m) = €129.7m
    9. Sauber (€ 44m + €9.25m + € 50m) = €103.25m
    10. Manor (€ 0.5m + €32.5m + € 50m) = €83m

    Totaal: €2.598.000.000

    • + 0
    • 11 nov 2015 - 17:03
    • Wat zijn die 3 bedragen?

      • + 0
      • 11 nov 2015 - 17:47
    • budget, partner, prijzengeld?

      Ik weet het niet zeker maar zoiets stond erbij toen het gepubliceerd werd.

      • + 0
      • 11 nov 2015 - 18:08
    • Algarve

      Posts: 522

      Klopt Piet. Sponsorgelden, bijdrage partners, en de FOM inkomsten

      • + 0
      • 11 nov 2015 - 19:10
    • Algarve ff nieuwsgierig... hoe kom je eraan?

      • + 0
      • 11 nov 2015 - 19:15
    • Algarve

      Posts: 522

      Engels artikel ergens uit augustus, volgens mij worden de budgetten jaarlijks openbaar gemaakt

      • + 0
      • 11 nov 2015 - 19:30
    • Kevin

      Posts: 5.294

      Hoe los je dit op? Eenvoudigweg door teams die laag finishen in het kampioenschap/lagere budgetten hanteren te voorzien van soepelere regelgeving omtrent bijvoorbeeld brandstofverbruik, bandenkeuze en testmogelijkheden.

      • + 0
      • 11 nov 2015 - 19:51
    • Is dan straks voor Manor, 0 punten €0 prijzengeld?

      • + 0
      • 11 nov 2015 - 20:01
    • Stitch

      Posts: 6.063

      @ Kevin: Dat pikken de groten niet. Dat heeft men al eens geprobeerd.

      • + 0
      • 11 nov 2015 - 20:42
    • Kevin

      Posts: 5.294

      Als de groten dat niet willen, dan pakken ze hun spullen en vertrekken ze lekker. F1 moet weer terug naar de basis, de FIA bepaalt het reglement en teams kiezen ervoor onder de voorwaarden van de FIA wel/niet deel te nemen. Het is belachelijk dat Barcelona bepaalt wat de regels van het voetbal zijn..

      • + 1
      • 11 nov 2015 - 20:45
    • neor2

      Posts: 1.540

      Mijn gok: TV inkomsten, prijzengeld, sponsor inkomsten.

      Die bedragen zijn overigens het probleem niet, het grote probleem binnen de Formule 1 is dat er veel te veel geld verdwijnt uit de sport en dat de inkomsten uit televisie te oneerlijk verdeeld worden over de teams.

      CVC is een bloedzuiger, en zuigt de F1 dood voordat ze de boel verkopen. Cruciale fout geweest van de teams om niet zelf de TV rechten in beheer te nemen; Ecclestone heeft het aangeboden maar de teams hebben toen geweigerd.

      Als ze slim zijn kopen ze de boel alsnog gezamenlijk op.

      • + 0
      • 12 nov 2015 - 08:55
  • probeer de fia niet verrot te schelden maa ja .hier is het dan @@#@#!^(

    • + -1
    • 11 nov 2015 - 20:57
  • LimboF1

    Posts: 6.088

    Dan hadden ze niet naar de V6 turbo moeten overstappen, maar gewoon de V8 moeten houden. Dan waren de kosten nu niet zo gestegen en was het waarschijnlijk ook een stuk minder saai.

    • + 0
    • 11 nov 2015 - 22:09
  • Het wordt tijd voor grote schoonmaak in de F1. De FIA moet doen wat nodig is. Regels opstellen die nodig zijn om de F1 weer voor iedereen betaalbaar te maken zodat ook kleine teams hun begroting rond kunnen krijgen en dat de FOM voor het organiseren van een F1 GP geen absurd hoge bedragen meer vraagt. Dan krijgen we weer meer GP's in Europa op circuits die wij leuk vinden, komen er weer meer toeschouwers kijken en blijven de kleine teams ook in de F1.
    De grote teams haken mogelijk af. Dat is dan jammer voor ze. Ik zie liever een "sportieve" en betaalbare F1 zonder "fabrikanten teams" dan het huidige circus. Maar ja, is ook maar een kwestie van smaak....

    • + 0
    • 11 nov 2015 - 22:51
  • Brammus

    Posts: 778

    Doe maar gewoon weer FIA zijn en maak je alsjeblieft niet meer druk om de levensvatbaarheid van het circus...
    En dat meen ik serieus, laat het dan maar klappen!
    Als Kees zeshonderd-miljoen-miljard wil uitgeven om iets te winnen, dan doet ie dat maar lekker... als Kees eruit wil stappen omdat ie zeshonderd-miljoen-miljard heeft verloren dat seizoen, dan rot ie maar lekker op.... Commercie heeft niets te zoeken in welke sport dan ook!

    • + 0
    • 11 nov 2015 - 23:28
    • Gompie

      Posts: 4.951

      Dat klinkt leuk, maar feit is dat topsport niet levensvatbaar is zonder commercie. Om in de autosport te blijven, als je het geen sport van de superrijken wilt maken kun je niet om sponsors en dus commercie heen.

      • + 0
      • 12 nov 2015 - 07:44
    • Brammus

      Posts: 778

      @Gompie; Dat klopt inderdaad maar je bent het toch wel met me eens dat het al zo ver doorgeslagen is dat commercie boven de sport staat? In het geheel dan.

      • + 0
      • 12 nov 2015 - 09:40
  • Budget beperken is het enige dat kan werken.

    • + 0
    • 12 nov 2015 - 09:33
    • gp

      Posts: 4.711

      Juist het tegenovergestelde! Laat die budgetten lekker vrij, dat is altijd al zo geweest. Ze moeten gewoon veel minder regels maken. Het zijn juist die regels die het grote probleem zijn en de kosten omhoog drijven. Met minder regels kunnen kleine teams met veel minder geld een wagen op de grid zetten. Natuurlijk kunnen die dan niet op tegen de rijke teams maar nu en dan is er een ontwerper die de wagen met veel minder geld toch competitief kan maken. Zo was het vroeger en dat is volgens mij de enige manier. Elke regel die ze opstellen om het betaalbaarder te maken heeft juist het tegenovergestelde effect.

      • + 0
      • 12 nov 2015 - 10:02
    • Je kan ook binnen een budget de regels vrij laten. Alleen dat budget beperken. Dan is het speelveld veel vrijer en is er ruimte voor creativiteit.

      • + 0
      • 15 nov 2015 - 00:47
  • Caramba

    Posts: 5.786

    Dat de FIA gefrustreerd is zal me een worst wezen, waar het aan ontbreekt is een strijdvaardige FIA. Veto van individuele teams moet men desnoods tot in de rechtszaal uitvechten. Het argument daarbij zou moeten zijn dat FIA het algemene belang van de autosport dient (voor zover ze zelf nog weten wat dat betekent) en dat dit gaat boven het individuele belang van een team.
    Als dit niet lukt, dan bestaande contracten uitfaseren, en een nieuw kampioenschap uitschrijven waarbij budgetgelijkheid centraal staat.

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    • 12 nov 2015 - 11:40

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