Renault gaat mogelijk toch beroep doen op Illien

  • Gepubliceerd op 19 nov 2015 12:45
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Renault zou zich tot motorenguru Mario Illien kunnen wenden om het herstel in de Formule 1 vorm te geven. Dat is verrassend, aangezien de Franse autofabrikant eerder een voorstel van Illien voor een ander ontwerp voor de cilinders afwees. De mislukte upgrade voor de motor in Brazilië heeft Renault doen inzien dat ze de expertise van Illien wellicht toch goed kunnen gebruiken.

Cyril Abiteboul van Renault Sport F1 legde aan Motorsport.com uit: "We hebben alle energie en middelen die beschikbaar zijn nodig. Het maakt mij niet uit waar de oplossing vandaan komt, wat ik wil is een oplossing. Er is geen verplichting om Illien te contracteren, we leggen Red Bull ook niks op. Er is alleen veel bereidheid om een oplossing te bedenken."

"Mario heeft toegang tot middelen waar wij op dit moment niet over beschikken. We zijn gehandicapt wat betreft de middellange tot lange termijn door een gebrek aan duidelijkheid over ons Formule 1-programma. We hebben potentiële versterkingen weinig te bieden, ik kan niks garanderen. Daarom kunnen we misschien beter uit bestaande middelen putten."

"Dat is wel iets voor de korte termijn, geen oplossing voor de lange termijn. Bovendien is op dit moment alles voorwaardelijk, want ik weet niet of we er volgend jaar nog wel zijn."

De upgrade van afgelopen weekend was geen 'mislukking' omdat ze de nieuwe turbo niet gebruikten. Als je een nieuwe ICE gebruikt zonder daarbij een speciaal daarvoor ontworpen turbo te gebruiken, win je vrijwel nooit iets omdat de turbo niet ontworpen is voor die ICE en de daarvoor speciaal ontwor... [Lees verder]

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  • 19 nov 2015 - 15:17

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  • lol... Mario Illien misschien dat renault merkte dat ze het voorlopig niet gaan redden met de renault motor? Het nieuwe ontwerp dat gelekt was van de motor was afkomstig van Mario Illien... enkel niet onder zijn naam uitgevoerd... en hij had al uitgesproken dat het hem onwaarschijnlijk leek dat ze dat model door zouden voeren onder hun eigen naam... Voila! renault kon het niet stiekem! dus moeten ze hem toch maar huren van Red bull...

    • + 0
    • 19 nov 2015 - 12:50
    • Rare conclusie...dat ze het stiekem wilde doen...

      Ik denk dat ze gedacht hadden het beter te kunnen doen. Dat is niet gelukt dus met hangende pootjes terug.

      • + 0
      • 19 nov 2015 - 15:50
  • Hadden ze al veel eerder moeten doen.
    Helaas wilde Renault niet luisteren naar Red Bull.

    • + 0
    • 19 nov 2015 - 12:52
    • Tsja, ik heb het direct aangegeven dat het bijzonder stom was om de hulp van een erkend motoren fluisteraar af te slaan. Fransen zijn arrogant, maar de nood moet wel heel hoog zijn dat ze nu publiek toegeven dat ze er een zooitje van hebben gemaakt en de hulp van Ilmor heel goed kunnen gebruiken

      • + 0
      • 19 nov 2015 - 13:02
    • De upgrade van afgelopen weekend was geen 'mislukking' omdat ze de nieuwe turbo niet gebruikten. Als je een nieuwe ICE gebruikt zonder daarbij een speciaal daarvoor ontworpen turbo te gebruiken, win je vrijwel nooit iets omdat de turbo niet ontworpen is voor die ICE en de daarvoor speciaal ontworpen brandstof. De oude turbo kan niets met de nieuwe ontbranding doen en ging er slechter van lopen. Maar dat maakt niet uit.

      Dit weekend was een test om de betrouwbaarheid van de nieuwe ICE te bekijken door de ICE met nieuwe brandstof te laten lopen. Iedereen schreeuwt over PK verlies maar dat was met deze opzet te verwachten. Niemand hoor je over de rijbaarheid van de nieuwe motor, die beter schijnt te zijn. Als je naar de rondetijden kijkt in VT, was RIC sneller, ZELFS met 20 PK minder. Dit wist Red Bull, dit wist Renault. Vandaar dit bericht want de test was een success.

      Dat ze nu ineens Mario Illien gaan inhuren is een publiek geheim, want dit mocht al die tijd niet gezegd worden door beide kampen, vanwege de contracten (mbt patenten van zowel Renault en Illien). Als zij Illien niet officieel als partner/leverancier zouden strikken zou Mario geen blok krijgen van Renault, en Renault geen kop voor komend jaar, om als pakket aan Red Bull te leveren. Dus geen motor voor Red Bull. Renault heeft nooit de hulp van Mario afgewezen want Renault werkt al langer samen met Ilmor, dan dat ze met Red Bull samenwerken (Williams 92 ofzo ook al) Denk je nou echt dat Renault of Red Bull zo stom zou zijn om toe te geven dat ze elkaar nodig hebben als ze publiekelijk elkaar schofferen?

      Mario is al bijna een jaar in 'building 9' aan het werk voor Red Bull (uitbesteed aan Ilmor omdat Ilmor niet in dienst kan/wil zijn van Red Bull), vandaar dat zowel Mercedes en Ferrari niets van een engine deal met Red Bull wilden weten. Dit bericht is pure PR om iedereen op het verkeerde been te zetten, want het was officieel al maanden aan de gang. Wel toevallig dat Renault ineens een upgrade klaar had toen Red Bull publiekelijk naar buiten bracht dat het omgebouwde Renault blokken zou gebruiken, niet? Heeft niets met 'zooitje' of 'arrogantie' te maken want dit zijn taktieken van bedrijven die maling hebben aan wat de buitenstaander denkt, als er miljoenen op het spel staan. Dit is simpelweg PR praat voor hetgene wat iedereen in de paddock al wist, en een bevestiging waarom Ferrari en Mercedes niets moeten weten van Red Bull. Zowel Ferrari en Mercedes hebben standaard, beide rond de 50PK extra op klantenmotoren dankzij de samenwerking met Petronas/Shell tijdens de ontwikkeling van het blok. Dus in dat opzicht hadden ze net zoveel te vrezen van Red Bull/Mercedes/Ferrari, als van Red Bull/Renault/Ilmor.

      • + 8
      • 19 nov 2015 - 15:17
    • @ Max: Misschien was daar wel een (toentertijd) gegronde reden voor?

      • + 2
      • 19 nov 2015 - 15:51
    • M23

      Posts: 714

      @Tamburello: Goede post! Dank.

      • + 0
      • 19 nov 2015 - 17:01
    • Thx Tamburello, je beschikt blijkbaar over goede info!

      • + 0
      • 19 nov 2015 - 17:12
    • Insure

      Posts: 1.264

      @ Tamburello

      Wat een post. Het is dat ik maar 1 plus kan geven.

      • + 0
      • 19 nov 2015 - 17:54
    • @Tamburello Interessante post!

      Helaas kan ik geen plusjes geven.

      • + 0
      • 19 nov 2015 - 18:03
  • Gelukkig voor Renault hebben ze nog 4 hele maanden voor het volgende seizoen begint.

    • + 0
    • 19 nov 2015 - 13:25
    • nope... de motor ligt er al ... enkel mochten ze hem niet gebruiken...

      ze hebben nadat ze de bouwtekeningen van Mario Illien kregen gezegd dat het niks is... en hem met zijn boek onder zijn arm weggestuurd... maar toen lekte er info dat renault dit wel zou doorvoeren maar dan onder eigen naam ipv. eerlijk voor het werk van Mario Illien betalen...

      maar nu dat gelekt is moeten ze hem toch wel krediet geven voor zijn werk ...
      www.f1today.net/nl(...)-van-ilmor-terzijde

      en dan vervolg : tegen motorsport.com vertelde hij :
      Illien ontkent verder dat hij - zoals wordt bericht - heeft bijgedragen aan de nieuwe specificatie Renault-motor waar Red Bull in Brazilië mee gaat rijden. "Ik heb geen idee wat Renault aan de motor heeft veranderd en kan me ook niet voorstellen dat een concern als Renault in het geheim gebruik zou maken van de upgrades die ik heb bedacht."

      • + 0
      • 19 nov 2015 - 15:49
  • Dit alles maakt de houding en de forse kritiek van Red Bull ook weer begrijpelijker en ook meer terecht. Renault heeft gewoon 2 jaar zitten slapen, pas nu begint er weer wat actie te komen om echt te verbeteren.

    • + 1
    • 19 nov 2015 - 13:30
    • Slapen is dan ook weer een belediging voor de mensen die daar echt wel aan hebben gewerkt. Weliswaar schijnbaar de verkeerde koers gevaren maar toch...

      Overigens is de houding van Red Bull sowieso niet goed te praten.

      • + -1
      • 19 nov 2015 - 15:53
  • Ach daar hebben we Ab Bitterbal weer met zijn dagelijkse nietszeggende praatje...

    • + 0
    • 19 nov 2015 - 13:47
  • dizzy

    Posts: 1.466

    "Dat is wel iets voor de korte termijn, geen oplossing voor de lange termijn. Bovendien is op dit moment alles voorwaardelijk, want ik weet niet of we er volgend jaar nog wel zijn."

    Carlos Ghosn wil stoppen met F1? Soms iets teveel imagoschade geleden afgelopen jaren?

    • + 0
    • 19 nov 2015 - 14:52
  • beertje

    Posts: 466

    Eigenwijs zijn is een Franse eigenschap.

    • + 0
    • 19 nov 2015 - 15:17
    • Zo zijn wij nu bij de turbo motoren beland.

      • + 1
      • 19 nov 2015 - 15:53
    • Ja, da's waar. Maar is Ab Bitterbal officieel ook een Fransman dan?

      • + 0
      • 19 nov 2015 - 15:53
    • Aan de achtenaam zou ik denken een Nederlander? ;o)

      • + 1
      • 19 nov 2015 - 15:55
  • G-speed

    Posts: 174

    Wie kan mij helpen! Wat heeft die Mario Illen in het verleden gepresteerd? Ik meen mij te herinneren dat er in het verleden gereden is met een motor van Illien, maar als ik het mij goed herinner bakte hij er toen niet veel van. Of vergis ik mij?

    • + 1
    • 19 nov 2015 - 18:33

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