Mateschitz zaait verwarring over plannen Red Bull

  • Gepubliceerd op 25 nov 2015 09:06
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Het staat allerminst vast dat Red Bull Racing en Scuderia Toro Rosso ook volgend jaar de Formule 1-grid bevolken. Die waarschuwing gaf Red Bull-baas Dietrich Mateschitz af in Speed Week, eigendom van Red Bull. Beide teams hebben nog geen motorenpartner voor 2016.

Een oplossing leek in de maak met merkloze Renault-motoren voor Red Bull Racing en 'oude' Ferrari-krachtbronnen voor Toro Rosso. Volgens Mateschitz is er nog helemaal niks concreet. Op die manier zaait hij verwarring over de Formule 1-toekomst van de twee Red Bull-teams.

Mateschitz: "Ik kan geen definitief antwoord geven op de vraag of onze renstallen ook komend seizoen in de Formule 1 actief zijn, aangezien het nog niet zeker is of we een motor krijgen en wat er nog meer gepland staat voor de toekomst. Maar op een gegeven moment hebben we er wel schoon genoeg van."

Er ontbreekt een stuk informatie over de vergadering gisteren in Parijs. Naar aanleiding daarvan heeft Mateschitz dit alles gezegd.

|The F1 Commission on Tuesday rejected plans for a low-cost ‘client engine’ in 2017.

By Monday’s deadline, three independent manufacturers – Ilmor, AER and... [Lees verder]

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  • 25 nov 2015 - 09:30

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  • Hoezo verwarring? Ik heb nog nergens een bevestiging gezien van RB met welke motoren er gereden gaat worden in 2016 bij RBR en bij STR. Het is op dit moment allemaal nog speculatie. Merkloze motoren, Ferrari motoren van 2015, allemaal voorbij gekomen maar nog nergens bevestigd.

    • + 1
    • 25 nov 2015 - 09:10
    • Nightwish

      Posts: 184

      Inderdaad nog niks bevestigd, maar zowel Horner als Tost hebben aangegeven dat hun teams volgend jaar op de grid staan. Weliswaar zonder een definitieve motor partner te noemen, maar zij zeggen dat ze er staan. Dus in die zin is dit weer tegenstrijdig.

      • + 0
      • 25 nov 2015 - 09:27
    • Shrek

      Posts: 554

      Verwarring bij de redactie denk ik. Zoveel geruchten ook om over te berichten; een mens raakt daar maar verward van.

      • + 0
      • 25 nov 2015 - 09:31
  • Algarve

    Posts: 522

    Hij probeert hiermee druk te zetten op de aanstaande vergadering van de F1 Commission. Hij weet dat die alternatieve motor voor 2017 hoogstwaarschijnlijk wordt getorpedeerd.. en hem interesseert het niet dat klantemotoren dan uiteindelijk iets goedkoper worden. De RB-teams hebben dan nog steeds geen uitzicht op een competitieve motor voor 2017

    • + 0
    • 25 nov 2015 - 09:17
  • Tommieeee

    Posts: 774

    Maar Red Bull heeft zich al wel ingeschreven voor het seizoen 2016. Tenminste, dat zei Christian Horner onlangs bij de BBC.

    • + -1
    • 25 nov 2015 - 09:21
  • Reutel

    Posts: 695

    En weer staat Red Bull vol in de schijnwerpers. Prima reclame! Hoort allemaal bij het spel dat gespeeld wordt. Waarschijnlijk gaan ze het zo draaien dat straks iedereen dolblij is dat Renault en Red Bull elkaar weer gevonden hebben.

    • + 0
    • 25 nov 2015 - 09:24
  • Slim, gewoon de druk erop houden. Als ze stoppen, moeten er drie auto's worden ingezet door de grote teams, maar dadelijk id het daarvoor ook te laat, omdat het te kort dag is.

    • + -1
    • 25 nov 2015 - 09:26
    • Is

      • + 0
      • 25 nov 2015 - 09:26
    • In other words: politiek spel rond de klantenmotor.

      • + 0
      • 25 nov 2015 - 09:27
  • Druk nog iets verhogen op de Strategy Group?

    • + 0
    • 25 nov 2015 - 09:26
    • Hoezo druk verhogen. De Strategy Group doet voostellen, die naderhand bij unanimiteit voorgesteld worden aan de FIA. Die bepaald uiteindelijk wat er gebeurt. Dus hij kan volgens mij druk zetten wat hij wil, hij heeft er alleen helemaal niks aan. De Strategy Group bepaald helemaal niks. Beslissingen worden door FIA genomen tijdens Motor Sport Councils. Waarbij de FIA de macht heeft om onder het kopje 'bijzondere mogelijkheden' een regelement aan te passen.

      • + 0
      • 25 nov 2015 - 14:00
  • Er ontbreekt een stuk informatie over de vergadering gisteren in Parijs. Naar aanleiding daarvan heeft Mateschitz dit alles gezegd.

    |The F1 Commission on Tuesday rejected plans for a low-cost ‘client engine’ in 2017.

    By Monday’s deadline, three independent manufacturers – Ilmor, AER and Mecachrome – had expressed their formal interest in the FIA and Bernie Ecclestone’s plan for a 900hp, 2.5 litre engine to run parallel to the existing ‘power unit’ rules.

    But then came Tuesday’s round of meetings in Paris.

    “The low-cost engine was rejected by a large majority,”

    The rejection came after it emerged that Mercedes, Renault, Ferrari and Honda were all opposed to the plans, and even backed by some unlikely allies, like the struggling Swiss team Sauber.
    It is a blow for Dietrich Mateschitz, who had made the arrival of an alternative engine for 2017 a “condition” of keeping Red Bull and Toro Rosso on the grid next year.

    • + 3
    • 25 nov 2015 - 09:30
    • Fritzo

      Posts: 51

      En dat snap ik dan dus weer niet van die "grote en belangrijke" teams: ik zou zeggen, het is óf zelf (klanten)motoren leveren, óf toestaan dat er andere spelers mee gaan doen. Maar ze willen dus beide niet?! Wat dan? Hebben we straks een F1 met 4 teams.
      Hieruit blijkt maar weer dat een sport waarin de deelnemers zélf de spelregels mogen bepalen niet deugt.

      • + 3
      • 25 nov 2015 - 10:16
    • "het is óf zelf (klanten)motoren leveren, óf toestaan dat er andere spelers mee gaan doen. Maar ze willen dus beide niet?!"

      Klopt, ze zijn doodsbang dat RBR met een mindere motor en een superchassis de dominantie met Renault gaat herhalen, uitschakelen en wegpesten die hap!
      En ze zijn ook doodsbang dat de standaardmotor straks heel goed blijkt te zijn en de Manor AER, RBR Mechachrome en Toro Rosso AER's ineens om het podium meevechten voor een schijntje van wat huidige middenmoters Sauber of Force India voor hun motoren betalen.

      • + 2
      • 25 nov 2015 - 10:31
  • beertje

    Posts: 466

    Mercedes en Ferrari krijgen de F1 wel kapot.

    • + 3
    • 25 nov 2015 - 10:51
  • pcbeem

    Posts: 698

    Ik leg ook meteen link met andere artikel over klantenmotor, lijkt me wel de RB hier oren naar heeft en ja dan beetje druk zetten op deze manier niet verkeerd :).

    • + 0
    • 25 nov 2015 - 11:22
  • Buxoq

    Posts: 174

    Ik zou bijna zeggen Red Bull stap over naar het WEC. Dan hebben we daar misschien in 2017 5 teams die strijden om de titel namelijk: Audi, Porsche, Toyota, Nissan en Red Bull. Dat zou wat zijn zeg. Ik denk dat als dat zo zou zijn zou ik de WEC de voorkeur geven boven de F1 van nu. Ik heb namelijk genoten van de races dit seizoen die ik heb kunnen kijken van het WEC.

    • + 0
    • 25 nov 2015 - 11:45
    • NicoS

      Posts: 16.770

      Buxoq,

      Porsche was dit seizoen oppermachtig, dus welke strijd......

      • + 1
      • 25 nov 2015 - 12:13
    • Algarve

      Posts: 522

      Audi en Porsche behoren tot de VW-groep. VW heeft al aangegeven de activiteiten van deze teams in WEC & van Audi in DTM terug te schroeven.. De vraag is nog steeds of daarvoor in de plaats een Red Bull-Audi op de grid staat in 2018

      • + 0
      • 25 nov 2015 - 12:14
    • Buxoq

      Posts: 174

      @NICOS

      In het einde waren ze machtig dat klopt ja. Maar ze moesten er wel voor vechten vooral in het begin en in het eind. Volgens mij was er aan het eind van het jaar 5 punten verschil en dat noem ik nou dan ook weer geen overmacht. Verder bestaat het WEC sowieso niet alleen uit lmp1.

      Wat Algarve zegt is ook inderdaad iets wat kan gebeuren dus tja het is nog afwachten

      • + 0
      • 25 nov 2015 - 12:51
    • @ Algarve. Dat is gewoon niet waar, Volkswagen Group heeft duidelijk gesteld dat de sportieve en race- activiteiten niet gaan slinken. Sterker nog, men wil het eventueel uitbreiden. Deze dingen hebben van de week uitvoerig in Duitse vakbladen gestaan.

      • + 0
      • 25 nov 2015 - 14:03
    • Algarve

      Posts: 522

      Tomask, ben niet echt het zuig-uit-mijn-duim type..

      Audi readying F1 team with Red Bull in 2018, will quit WEC endurance racing in 2017
      Published: 23 September 2015
      Audi already has a relationship with Red Bull in DTMAudi already has a relationship with Red Bull in DTM
      Audi already has a relationship with Red Bull in DTM It's farewell to Audi in LMP1 from 2017, to pave the way for F1 The Audi A4 DTM racer, sponsored by Red Bull
      ► Audi F1 team run by Stefano Domenicali
      ► Middle East investors, Red Bull title sponsor?
      ► Audi to withdraw from DTM, WEC

      &

      "The contracts have not yet been signed, but according to information gathered from senior Audi officials on the floor of the 2015 Frankfurt auto show, it’s all but a done deal – Audi will join the Formula 1 grid no later than the 2018 season. Despite lukewarm denials from Audi public relations officials, the board of directors intends to go ahead with the project – potentially expensive collateral damage from the Volkswagen Group’s diesel emissions cheating scandal notwithstanding."

      • + 0
      • 25 nov 2015 - 15:52
  • H3N,K

    Posts: 5

    Als ze de auto's nou ombouwen tot trap auto's zijn ze van niemand afhankelijk en hebben ze de groenste auto die er is ... Problemen opgelost zou ik zeggen ????

    • + 1
    • 25 nov 2015 - 11:55
    • Dan krijg je weer doping schandalen zoals in de wielersport....

      • + 0
      • 25 nov 2015 - 12:08
  • Het was vorige eeuw zoveel eenvoudiger dan nu, het reglement is veel te ingewikkeld geworden met veel te veel straffen en veel te weinig vrijheid, daar wringt het schoentje

    • + 0
    • 25 nov 2015 - 12:09
    • Shrek

      Posts: 554

      BENSPEED - je klinkt als Adrian Newey. Creativiteit is nu vrijwel onmogelijk; exit "constucteurs"- kampioenschap....

      Ben wel extreem benieuwd hoe het powertrain probleem opgelost gaat worden komende jaren ...

      • + 0
      • 25 nov 2015 - 12:30
    • Ja in de vorige eeuw was er geen enkele polititke strijd in de F1. Geen enkele. Oh wacht toen was er ook altijd gezeik, maar dat herinnert men zich blijkbaar niet. Of heeft het nooit meegemaakt.

      • + 0
      • 25 nov 2015 - 12:42
  • LimboF1

    Posts: 6.088

    Als het een vent was, dan hakte hij de knoop gewoon door. De aanbiedingen schijnen er te zijn, maar ze willen dingen die niet reëel zijn in mijn ogen. Ze hebben dit jaar al een paar keer laten zien toch aardig mee te kunnen met het huidige pakket, dus slechter zullen ze het komend jaar niet doen denk ik met de aanbiedingen die ze hebben.

    • + 0
    • 25 nov 2015 - 12:17
    • Precies. Dat halfzachte Calimero gedoe is wel een beetje klaar. je kan niet van je tegenstanders verwachten dat ze jouw zelf gecreerde problemen op gaan lossen.

      • + 1
      • 25 nov 2015 - 12:44
  • ik word moe van die man en het is een ordinaire geld wolf ze staan er beide volgend jaar en en motoren zijn al bekend . het enige is dat ie van bernie meer geld wil . geloof dat er veel zijn die niet snappen dat als ze de stekker eruit zouden trekken er een maar miljoenen claims komen van zowel sponsoren als rijders dikke punt

    • + 0
    • 25 nov 2015 - 13:49
  • Terug naar de betaalbare V8 en V10, met een iets uitgebreide KERS.
    Men wou naar de nieuwe V6 Turbo Hybride om fabrikanten te lokken, maar de gigantische bedragen en de onnodig ingewikkelde techniek schrikt juist af. Daarbij staan er teams opomvallen, en andere teams die uberhaupt geen motor kunnen krijgen omdat ze "te goed" zijn... Gaat lekker zo.

    De oude motors waren echt zo gek nog niet, en ookdie kan je op allerlei manieren "groener" maken.

    • + 0
    • 25 nov 2015 - 14:05
  • floris

    Posts: 800

    Ach, die mateschitz toch.
    Dit is volgens mij gewoon een kwestie van 'exposure zoeken, nu het seizoen bijna voorbij is.

    • + 0
    • 25 nov 2015 - 16:21
  • Dat is de pest van het internet, bang om een nieuwtje, laat staan groot nieuws, te missen wordt elk gerucht gelijk ''nieuws'' .... Je moet tegenwoordig eerst zelf gaan 'fact-checken'.. En goed lezen, want meestal staat er bij elk ''nieuws'' VERMOEDELIJK, vermoedelijk een mercedes ,ferrari,honda, merkloze, motor achterin de RB 2016... tja..

    • + 0
    • 25 nov 2015 - 17:52
  • Max33

    Posts: 17

    Heb je Mateschitz weer.. lekker dreigen.. hij moet gewoon lekker de stekker eruit trekken of gewoon ophouden met janken.. Crybaby deluxe....Lijkt Massa wel!!!
    Opzouten of lekker je mond houden..
    Amen ...

    • + 0
    • 26 nov 2015 - 10:52

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