Newey geen fan van afschaffen token-systeem

  • Gepubliceerd op 08 feb 2016 14:27
  • comments 15
  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Red Bull-ontwerper Adrian Newey heeft gewaarschuwd voor de negatieve bijwerkingen die het schrappen van het token-systeem voor de ontwikkeling van de motoren teweeg zal brengen. Volgens hem vervalt de Formule 1 dan weer in een wedloop waarbij de kosten de pan uit rijzen. Bovendien is het in het voordeel van de fabrieksteams.

Op de vraag van Reuters welke consequenties het afschaffen van het token-systeem voor de Formule 1 zou hebben, antwoordde Newey: "Meer uitgaven, zo simpel is het. Als je terugkijkt naar de afspraken die de Technische Werkgroep maakte in 2012 en 2013, dan was het om de ontwikkeling van de motoren te bevriezen. De teams met achterstand mochten dan de aansluiting vinden. Dat is niet gebeurd."

"Nu gebeurt het tegenovergestelde. Het geld dat de grote autofabrikanten spenderen is al duizelingwekkend te noemen en ze zullen nu alleen nog maar meer spenderen om elkaar af te troeven. Voor bedrijven die niet bereid zijn om zo diep in de buidel te tasten, zoals bijvoorbeeld Renault, wordt het alleen maar moeilijker om aan te haken."

"Wat ik ook apart vind is dat we reglementen waarin een autofabrikant verplicht is om dezelfde hardware aan klantenteams te leveren (voor de Ferrari-motoren van Toro Rosso is een uitzondering gemaakt, red.), maar niet om dezelfde software en dus dezelfde performance te leveren. Niemand zegt daar wat over. Klantenteams mogen niet klagen omdat dat in de contracten staat die ze getekend hebben."

Het maakt wel uit. Als ze nauwelijks iets kunnen verbeteren aan de motor dan heeft het ook geen zin om er veel geld in te steken. Als ze daar wel veel kunnen winnen dan moeten ze wel investeren, want anders lopen ze het risico voorbij gestoken te worden door de concurrentie.

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  • 8 feb 2016 - 22:56

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  • tuurlijk is newey dertegen dat andere teams red bull kunnen inhalen, dan heeft hij meer werk

    • + 0
    • 8 feb 2016 - 14:36
  • Software bepaalt voor 90% het vermogen. En als de overige teams zo dom zijn geweest om die contracten te tekenen, dan hebben ze inderdaad niets te klagen. Zou een bak zijn als Manor dezelfde software krijgt als het fabrieksteam en daarmee FI en Williams voorbij rijdt op de rechte stukken. Maar dan blijft alleen de vraag over, waarom hebben ze dit getekend?

    • + 0
    • 8 feb 2016 - 14:36
    • "Maar dan blijft alleen de vraag over, waarom hebben ze dit getekend?"

      Simpel, omdat ze anders geen aandrijflijn geleverd krijgen. De klantenteams worden dus heel eenvoudig in de wurggreep genomen door de fabrieksteams en zullen nooit de aansluiting vinden. Feitelijk bestaat de formule 1 uit 2 kampioenschappen. Of zie ik dit verkeerd.

      • + 0
      • 8 feb 2016 - 14:56
    • Idd we hebben twee kampioenschappen nu, en het zal ook niet meteen veranderen. De enige optie dat de F1 nu heeft is meer fabrieksteams aantrekken, de VW-group, BMW, Toyota, Ford zouden er bvb zich kunnen bij komen en dan hebben we een WK waarbij elke fan zich kan terugvinden, want daar gaat het wel degelijk om.

      • + 0
      • 8 feb 2016 - 15:10
    • Opnieuw, zo is het altijd geweest.. Vroeger had je ook een aantal teams die fabriekssteun kregen en de rest niet, dan moest je het dus met minder doen. Verschil is dat de verschillen toen tussen die motoren veel groter waren dan nu. Software maakt hooguit 60pk verschil, destijds kon er gemakkelijk 150pk tussen verschillende motoren zitten.

      • + 0
      • 8 feb 2016 - 19:25
    • Tuurlijk zouden ze wel een aandrijflijn gehad hebben. Misschien had je dan alleen renault klanten motoren gehad, maar dan had de FIA daar wel iets aan veranderd. Kwestie van vraag en aanbod.

      • + 0
      • 8 feb 2016 - 19:44
  • Maar mogen de teams zelf de SW aanpassen? Of zou dat ook contractueel verboden zijn?

    • + 0
    • 8 feb 2016 - 14:43
  • Het maakt niet zoveel uit of er een token systeem is of niet.

    De fabrikanten proberen gewoon alles uit wat ze kunnen bedenken.
    Met een tokensysteem gaan ze vervolgens kijken hoeveel van wat ze bedacht hebben met de beschikbare tokens kunnen realiseren.
    Er blijven dan dingen op de plank liggen, maar die hebben ze wel eerst gebouwd en op de testbank gezet, alleen niet in een F1 wagen gestopt.

    Het kan zelfs zijn dat het niet hoeven schipperen met de tokens juist geld bespaart.

    • + 0
    • 8 feb 2016 - 16:14
    • Het maakt wel uit. Als ze nauwelijks iets kunnen verbeteren aan de motor dan heeft het ook geen zin om er veel geld in te steken. Als ze daar wel veel kunnen winnen dan moeten ze wel investeren, want anders lopen ze het risico voorbij gestoken te worden door de concurrentie.

      Hoe meer ze kunnen aan passen hoe meer geld er in gaat zitten.

      • + 1
      • 8 feb 2016 - 22:56
    • Ondanks het token systeem zijn de motoren veel duurder geworden en hebben de bouwers ervan hun ontwerpafdeling uitgebreid.
      Of toch dankzij het token systeem?
      Ze kunnen het zich niet veroorloven iets niet uit te proberen. Pas nadat alles getest is wordt er beslist wat er daadwerkelijk wordt gebruikt.

      • + 0
      • 9 feb 2016 - 00:10
  • Wat een gezeur. Als er morgen wordt voorgesteld dat er onbeperkt gebruik mag worden gemaakt van de windtunnel, cfd en andere aerodynamische computerprogramma's, dan is hij de eerste die zal instemmen.

    • + 0
    • 8 feb 2016 - 16:19
  • Misschien moet hij zijn bazen duidelijk maken dat ze eens een seizoentje braaf zijn en geen mensen gaan afplassen. Misschien dat er daarna wel een serieuze motor leverancier zin heeft om samen te werken...

    • + -1
    • 8 feb 2016 - 17:21
  • JaapB

    Posts: 1.233

    Ze moeten gewoon verplicht stellen dat elke motor upgrade die ze doen binnen een race ook bij de andere teams die dezelfde motor gebruiken moeten krijgen en daar geen extra geld voor vragen.
    Gewoon vooraf prijs afspreken inclusief alle updates van het seizoen.

    • + -1
    • 8 feb 2016 - 19:01
  • Het wordt hetzelfde als bij de motogp een factoryclass en een openclass in de factoryclass Mercedes Ferrari Renault Red-Bull en de rest rijdt met oude auto's

    • + 0
    • 8 feb 2016 - 22:52
    • Renault is een fabrieksteam maar wel een die de helft investeert van zijn concurrenten en verouderde faciliteiten heeft en dus in zijn eentje een subtop binnen de factoryclass is.

      RedBull investeert daar en tegen wel hetzelfde in het team maar hebben niet de ambitie om zelf een motor te (laten) bouwen dus doen zichzelf in feite te kort om die torenhoge ambitie die ze hebben te waarborgen.

      Je bent gewoon kansloos als je niet en een fabrieksteam bent en een concurrerend budget hebt. Niks nieuws natuurlijk maar Renault en RBR voldoen er gewoon niet aan.

      • + 0
      • 9 feb 2016 - 01:18

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