'Op PlayStation leer je net zoveel als in simulator'

  • Gepubliceerd op 17 jun 2016 14:44
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Track walks en Formule 1-simulators zijn niet aan Mercedes-coureur Lewis Hamilton besteed. De Brit verspilt naar eigen zeggen zo min mogelijk tijd aan deze bezigheden. Andere rijders zweren bij het nut van de simulator en menig coureur wandelt op donderdag over het circuit om de belangrijke punten met zijn engineers door te nemen. Zo niet Hamilton.

"Ik zit niet vaak in onze simulator omdat het systeem niet best is op dit moment, we werken eraan om dat te verbeteren", begint Hamilton. "Ik spendeer niet heel veel tijd in de simulator. Toen ik nog voor McLaren racete, zat ik veel te vaak in de simulator. Maar ik kan ook een PlayStation kopen, dan leer je net zoveel. Er is een verschil tussen echt rijden en in de simulator rijden."

"In de simulator voel je geen emotie. Je moet jezelf aan de simulator aanpassen. In de auto rij je gewoon. In de simulator voel je de hobbels niet, zijn de kerbs anders, is de snelheid anders. Je voelt de snelheid niet, je voelt niet hoe fysiek het is. Engineers leren misschien veel over brandstofverbruik, aerodynamica en het opwekken van energie, maar ik vind het niks."

"Track walks zijn net zoiets. Ik heb vanaf mijn Formule Renault-tijd tot aan mijn derde of vierde jaar in de Formule 1 over het circuit gelopen en het maakte geen enkel verschil. Sinds 2010 ben ik daarmee gestopt en het heeft totaal geen impact gehad. Misschien werkt het voor anderen wel, maar voor mij werkt het niet."

Brummbär

Posts: 582

Zelfs als het zo duidelijk is nog steeds niet kunnen bedenken dat Droeftoeter het niet serieus bedoelt?

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  • 17 jun 2016 - 14:57

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  • storm

    Posts: 90

    Was het niet zo dat Verstappen een aantal van zijn mooie inhaalacties geleerd heeft door het (zonder consequenties) uit te testen in de sim?

    Snap wat hij zegt over dat het niet hetzelfde is que gevoel maar denk dat het tegenwoordig in veel situaties wel veel inzicht/ideeën kan geven.

    • + 0
    • 17 jun 2016 - 14:44
    • brommer

      Posts: 408

      Met iRacing was dat en dat kan gewoon iedereen kopen/downloaden op PC dus er zit wel kern van waarheid in.

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 14:46
    • Stitch

      Posts: 6.063

      De Sim van Red Bull is wat dat betreft erg goed in vergelijking tot vele andere teams.

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 14:57
    • Nu we het toch over Verstappen hebben, hier onboard Canada:
      vimeo.com/170982142

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 17:01
    • Vanaf minuut 22 het verdedigen van Verstappen, om weer op het puntje van je stoel te gaan zitten.

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 17:30
  • Levano

    Posts: 802

    rFactor 2 met een professionele setup, iemand?

    • + 0
    • 17 jun 2016 - 14:45
  • Dat is het generatie verschil tussen de "oude garde" en de next generation.

    • + 0
    • 17 jun 2016 - 14:47
    • Staat gewoon nr. 2 in de stand heeft net 2 titels gehaald en gaat nu in Baku ook als een speer......hoezo oude garde en de next generation.

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 17:00
    • Och ik kan me nog herinneren dat Jacques Villeneuve veelvuldig gebruik maakte van de playstation om circuits te leren. En dat is toch alweer een tijdje geleden. Het heeft denk ik weinig met oude of nieuwe garde te maken, meer met persoonlijke voorkeuren.

      Iedere coureur op dat niveau kan in een rondje of 10 een baan leren, dus daar is op zich geen simulator voor nodig. Ik denk wel dat het kan helpen bij het vinden van een goede setup.

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 21:57
  • Droeftoeter

    Posts: 7

    ik denk dat Hamilton het gewoon niet ziet zitten om een Playstation te kopen, vooral de nieuwe versies kosten aardig wat , dat geld geeft hij liever aan wat anders uit

    • + 3
    • 17 jun 2016 - 14:47
    • Dp1998

      Posts: 994

      hij verdient ongeveer 70 miljoen per jaar exclusief winstpremies e.d. een playstation 4 kost inclusief spellen en besturing minimaal 1000 euro. dan houd Hammer nog zat geld over om te besteden aan zn hondjes en overige spullen.

      • + 1
      • 17 jun 2016 - 14:56
    • Brummbär

      Posts: 582

      Zelfs als het zo duidelijk is nog steeds niet kunnen bedenken dat Droeftoeter het niet serieus bedoelt?

      • + 5
      • 17 jun 2016 - 14:57
    • Sjees

      Posts: 1.149

      Hahaha die DP1998

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 15:09
    • DP1998, wel eens van ironie gehoord?

      • + 1
      • 17 jun 2016 - 15:51
  • Mika1

    Posts: 1.510

    Die track walks zijn tegenwoordig meer promotiemateriaal voor op twitter: ''van kijk mij nou al eens bezig zijn''.

    • + 0
    • 17 jun 2016 - 14:50
    • Trackwalks doe je om te kijken naar de oneffenheden op de baan: putjes deukjes kerbhoogte etc

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 14:58
    • Dat kan je ook voelen na een paar rondjes in de vrije training.

      • + 1
      • 17 jun 2016 - 15:04
    • JM_K

      Posts: 1.065

      Ik denk ook dat ervaren coureurs inderdaad gelijk weten waar op te letten tijdens de eerste rondjes en goed kunnen filteren... wat wel belangrijk is en wat niet.

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 15:31
    • Pieterzji

      Posts: 965

      Ben vergeten wie het was. Maar die zij dat het mooie van de racewandelingen was dat je met je engineers daar loopt, zonder gestoort te worden. lekker alles doorpraten

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 16:20
    • Tony

      Posts: 1.221

      Waarom doet Hamilton dan niet mee?
      Als iemand de mentaliteit ''van kijk mij nou al eens bezig zijn'' heeft is het hij wel

      • + 1
      • 17 jun 2016 - 16:25
    • Hamilton had ook gewoon kunnen zeggen dat hij daar te lui voor is. Maar ja, dit klinkt natuurlijk een stuk interessanter niet?

      • + 0
      • 18 jun 2016 - 10:50
  • pacoramon

    Posts: 572

    wel veelzeggend dat atze kerkhof super goed reed toen hij 1 test mocht doen bij van amersfoort racing nadat hij gewoon jarenlang aan de top stond in sim racing

    • + 1
    • 17 jun 2016 - 15:06
  • Ik heb sterk het idee dat Max zonder de simulator niet nu in de F1 had gezeten. Je hebt toch ervaring nodig en die heeft hij op die manier opgedaan. Je hebt ook een paralelle ontwikkeling in het schaken, allemaal wonderkinderen die heel snel heel goed zijn omdat ze zo goed met de computer om kunnen gaan. Hamilton laat zich wel erg kennen zo als onderdeel van de oude garde. Het geeft me goede hoop dat Max echt flink zal domineren later, zeker aangezien de Red Bull simulator de meest realistische schijnt te zijn.

    • + 0
    • 17 jun 2016 - 15:11
  • Roy

    Posts: 2.172

    Ik kan simpel weg niet zeggen, of zo'n sim helpt of niet. Inderdaad, denk ik wel, dat de coureurs die meer km's op de teller hebben, en dus meer ervaring, minder voordeel van zo'n simulator hebben , dan de jonge gastjes. Maar qua track kennis, puur hoe zo'n baan loopt, zeker met de recent toegevoegde circuits, kan ik me voorstellen dat het wel lekker is.

    • + 0
    • 17 jun 2016 - 15:42
  • Als je de hobbels niet voelt, dan heeft Mercedes wel een heel erg slechte simulator...

    • + 0
    • 17 jun 2016 - 15:50
    • Gewoon goede vering en schokbrekers waar die simulator op staat.

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 17:02
  • Meneer Hamilton heeft de mazzel dat ie in de beste auto zit. Als ie in een andere auto zou zitten zou ie wel anders miepen.

    • + 1
    • 17 jun 2016 - 16:10
  • Kevin-R34

    Posts: 882

    De goede simulators van tegenwoordig maken je zeker wel wijzer op verschillende punten. Het is al meerdere keren bewezen dat talentvolle simracers ook snel en succesvol kunnen zijn in real life. Dus het zegt echt wel iets. Ik ben zelf een fanatiek sim racer, na een tijdperk van rFactor 2 ben ik sinds 2 weken aan iRacing begonnen. Elke auto en circuit is laserscanned wat betekent dat elk hobbeltje identiek is als in real life. Dat is gewoon kicken. En net zoals in het echt ben je met online simracen kansloos zonder een goede setup. Die setup mogelijkheden worden ook steeds realistischer. Het enige wat altijd een gemis zou blijven zijn de G krachten.

    • + 1
    • 17 jun 2016 - 16:26
    • Dus jij voelt je nu een echte coureur, fijn voor je. Hamilton geeft gewoon aan dat hij er geen voordeel aan heeft......en de uitslagen van de afgelopen jaren wijzen dat ook uit. Je hoeft niet perse in zo'n ding te zitten op je eigen prestatie omhoog te krijgen. In de F1 wordt de simulator vooral gebruikt om een circuit te leren kennen en goed onder de knie te krijgen.

      • + 1
      • 17 jun 2016 - 18:01
    • Kevin-R34

      Posts: 882

      Ik voel me een echte virtuele coureur ja :) Ik ben blij dat deze mogelijkheden er anno 2016 zijn als je het geld niet hebt voor een echte race carriere net als vele anderen. Ik kan mij geen leven meer voorstellen zonder simracen.

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 19:28
    • Kevin-R34

      Posts: 882

      Toen ik vorige week een rechtstreeks duel had met de enige echte Rubens Barrichello op iRacing voelde ik me wel even als een echte coureur :)

      • + 1
      • 17 jun 2016 - 19:55
    • En hoe weet je dat het de enige echte Rubens Barrichello was?

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 20:52
    • Kevin-R34

      Posts: 882

      @NBTT, Hij rijd in iRacing rond met de Medley sponsor van zijn Braziliaanse stockcar team. Kijk maar eens op zijn facebook pagina. De eerste 2 foto's. Daarnaast is het in iRacing niet mogelijk om met exact dezelfde naam te rijden. Zeker bekende racenamen worden nagekeken of je wel echt zo heet. Het is namelijk niet de bedoeling dat mensen onder valse namen gaan rijden.

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 21:51
    • Ik doe ook aan Iracing. Het enige wat je mist, is het echte contact met het asfalt. Voor de rest doe je deze sim niet 1, 2, 3. Ik heb gereden tegen profs in een heat, zelfs tegen Barrichello. Die rijden mij er zonder enige moeite van af. En ik leer er veel van.

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 21:53
  • TDZ

    Posts: 1.296

    Tja Lewis, in de meeste simulatoren is geen ruimte voor bling bling. Met een pleestation ;-) kun je alle kanten op.

    • + 0
    • 17 jun 2016 - 16:56
    • Dashaus

      Posts: 122

      Nooit geweten dat een F1 simulator te klein is om te kunnen gebruiken terwijl men een ketting of horloge draagt....

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 17:50
  • sailor

    Posts: 11.131

    Ik heb niks met die simulators op die playstation.
    De enige spel wat veel heb gespeeld was streetfighter 2 , maar ik geloof niet dat dat veel meerwaarde heeft op een formule 1 forum ;-)

    • + 0
    • 17 jun 2016 - 17:57
    • Kevin-R34

      Posts: 882

      Er bestaan geen simulators op de playstation, is allemaal arcade. De consoles zijn gericht op het grote publiek, de auto moet makkelijk te besturen zijn via een controller ;)

      • + 3
      • 17 jun 2016 - 19:30
    • @kevinr34: En met een stuurwiel op een pctje is het dan wel een echte sim? Ik ga nog een stap verder. Een echte simulator is wanneer je daadwerkelijk de race baan op gaat, in wat voor soort auto dan ook. Period.

      • + 0
      • 17 jun 2016 - 22:39
    • Levano

      Posts: 802

      @Heart4McLaren Volgens mij begrijp jij de definitie van een simulator niet... Een simulatie is namelijk een nabootsing van de werkelijkheid.

      • + 3
      • 17 jun 2016 - 23:24
    • Nabootsen is geen werkelijkheid, anders zou het woord nabootsen niet bestaan. Simulatie is een ander woord daarvoor.

      • + 0
      • 18 jun 2016 - 00:57
    • Tony

      Posts: 1.221

      Lees de eerste zin:
      nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulatie

      • + 0
      • 18 jun 2016 - 01:31
  • Petje af

    Posts: 780

    Het zou interessant zijn om er eens onderzoek naar te doen. Wat voor Hamilton geldt is misschien helemaal niet waar. Het lijkt me in elk geval geen olacebo effect in die zin dat het werkt als je denkt dat het werkt en andersom.

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    • 18 jun 2016 - 10:29

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