Mercedes niet in het nauw door tactiek Red Bull

  • Gepubliceerd op 05 okt 2016 12:13
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Het team van Mercedes kwam zondag niet in het nauw door de twee uiteenlopende strategieën die concurrent Red Bull Racing hanteerde. Dat zegt Mercedes-strateeg Andy Shovlin in een terugblik op de Maleisische Grand Prix. Red Bull-motorsportadviseur Helmut Marko geloofde dat Red Bull Racing de uitvalbeurt van Lewis Hamilton had afgedwongen door Mercedes onder druk te zetten.

Shovlin spreekt dat tegen. "Het incident bij de start met Nico Rosberg veranderde weinig aan zijn tactiek. We hebben even gecontroleerd of de strategie waarmee hij van start ging nog steeds de beste was en we kwamen tot de conclusie dat dit zo was. De tweede virtuele safety car-periode gaf ons de kans om hem vroeg op de harde banden te zetten. Zonder het uitvallen van Lewis hadden we de strategie ook voor de laatste stint gesplitst. Nu kozen we voor zekerheid."

"Red Bull Racing deed wat het moest doen, namelijk een situatie creëren die voor ons lastig te verdedigen was. We namen het met één auto op tegen twee wagens van de concurrent die op verschillende strategieën stonden. En dat met banden die zich anders gedroegen dan verwacht."

"We calculeerden in dat Max Verstappen het in zijn tweede stint zestien of zeventien ronden vol zou houden en zo geschiedde ook. Vanuit daar had Red Bull Racing met hem nog maar één optie, namelijk een lange stint op hard naar de finish toe. Lewis had ook als hij de leiding aan Verstappen kwijt was geraakt zonder problemen die positie weer goed kunnen maken op de baan, dus we maakten ons niet al te veel zorgen."

 

Op andere banen zou ik zeggen er naartoe is 1 er voorbij 2... Maar op Sepang met een Mercedes op nieuwe softs met de klep open en 2 lange rechte stukken kun je niet verdedigen en was Hamilton er zonder moeite voorbij gegaan...

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  • 5 okt 2016 - 14:38

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  • Hoe heet dat ook alweer, een koe in de kont kijken...

    Er naartoe rijden is 1 en voorbij is 2.

    • + 1
    • 5 okt 2016 - 12:20
    • "I can't get past that guy"

      • + 1
      • 5 okt 2016 - 12:23
    • Hindsight :-)

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 12:41
    • Op andere banen zou ik zeggen er naartoe is 1 er voorbij 2... Maar op Sepang met een Mercedes op nieuwe softs met de klep open en 2 lange rechte stukken kun je niet verdedigen en was Hamilton er zonder moeite voorbij gegaan...

      • + 4
      • 5 okt 2016 - 14:38
    • Dat dachten we ook bij het lange rechte stuk in Canada. Enige voordeel voor MB in MAL is de bocht naar het 1e rechte stuk welke redelijk vol gas is dus telt power meer op het einde. Is het een langzame bocht dan kan RBR meer spelen met tractie (a la Barcelona met Kimi)

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 21:06
  • dizzy

    Posts: 1.466

    Laat onverlet dat Hamilton dusdanig heeft moeten gassen om zijn voorsprong uit te bouwen dat hij zijn motor heeft opgeblazen. Het is voor het eerst dat het MB blok een race lang 100% moest geven. Met een uitval als gevolg. Dan kunnen mensen wel zeggen dat de andere MB-rijders zoals Williams, FI en Manor toch ook altijd volgas rijden, maar die halen toch nooit uit de motor dan wat MB doet, met hun hogere snelheden en acceleratievermogen. Ik denk dat achter de bühne MB toch echt wel lichtelijk in paniek is.

    • + 0
    • 5 okt 2016 - 12:24
    • Patrace

      Posts: 4.008

      Ik geloof niet dat dat de oorzaak was.

      De andere teams met Mercedes motoren willen juist meer van de motoren vragen omdat die op basis van het chassis het afleggen. Die moeten het verschil dus maken door optimaal gebruik te maken van de motor. Maar toch gaan die motoren niet kapot. Het feit dat Mercedes hogere snelheden of een hoger acceleratievermogen haalt, heeft niets met een hogere belasting van de motor te maken.

      Het is òf domme pech voor Hamilton, òf er is een Nico-fan in zijn team die de boel loopt te saboteren. :-) Ik gok op het eerste.

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 12:40
    • Ik gok op een complot! :-)
      Kom't er maar in

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 12:44
    • Pitt

      Posts: 443

      Nah, de aluhoedjes kunnen de deur niet vinden :-)

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 12:54
    • Milli

      Posts: 297

      @ Patrace
      Het is een geweten feit dat MB meer vermogen uit de motor kan halen dan de klanten teams. Heeft te maken met de software en benzine dat zij gebruiken.
      Martin Brundle, Peter Windsor, ... spreken hier vaak over.
      MB vereist echt wel meer van hun hardware dan de klanten teams.

      • + 3
      • 5 okt 2016 - 13:02
    • Lekker hoop houden, jezelf moed inpraten bla bla

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 13:42
    • robertos

      Posts: 558

      volgens mij is het de nieuwste versie die geploft is en die hebben de klanten teams nog niet.

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 19:41
    • AyrtonS

      Posts: 3.984

      Onzin,

      Een race daarvoor moest nico zijn oudere motor trappen om ric voor te blijven.
      Waarom ging die niet stuk?

      Of kan nico niet zo hard als lewis trappen?

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 00:25
  • Geen speld tussen te krijgen. Zonder de uitvalbeurt van Lewis had ie gewoon gewonnen. En was Max 2e geworden achter Lewis, want zonder die VSC en de dubbele stop van beide RBR's was Max voor Daniel gekomen.
    Dat RBR ook geen order gaf zegt ook al genoeg; die hadden wel in de gaten dat ze lewis toch niet in de problemen gingen brengen.

    • + 3
    • 5 okt 2016 - 12:25
    • Ik heb gisteren gelezen dat Dr Marko gezegd heeft dat Red Bull nog iets achter da hand had en dat het door het uitvallen van Hamilton niet achter de hand vandaan gekomen was.
      Maar wat dat precies was, geen idee :(

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 12:28
    • bonensoep

      Posts: 566

      Ik heb vernomen dat Red Bull de mogelijkheid heeft om, als de situatie erom vraagt, uit de side-pots vleugels te laten verschijnen waarmee ze minder wrijvingsweerstand creëren tussen auto en baan door er vlak boven te gaan zweven.

      Ik denk dat Marko daarop doelt want ik kan me met de beste wil van de wereld een voorstelling maken van een optie waarmee ze alsnog de race naar zich toe hadden getrokken.

      • + 3
      • 5 okt 2016 - 13:20
    • bonensoep

      Posts: 566

      ehhh "geen"

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 13:21
    • @Beemerdude Ja, Hamilton had gewoon gewonnen. Je vraagt je af waarom hem gevraagd werd zo te pushen om het gat groot genoeg te maken voor een pitstop, nietwaar?

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 13:25
    • Vince78

      Posts: 493

      Ik heb dat interview ook gelezen idd. Erg benieuwd waar Marko naar verwees. Hij zei ok dat hij het nog niet wilde vertellen, omdat ze het misschien komend weekend in willen zetten.

      ......spannend. :)

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 17:43
    • Pipo

      Posts: 4.742

      Mercedes speelt vaak toneel, maar dat is met Dr Marko natuurlijk niet anders.

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 20:01
  • Als Lewis niet was uitgevallen en er dus geen VSC was gekomen, dan had hij de GP makkelijk gewonnen. Hij was dan vlak achter Max op de baan terecht gekomen en er op nieuwe banden fluitend voorbij gereden.

    • + 2
    • 5 okt 2016 - 12:26
    • Precies, zo simpel is het... Gewoon motorpech voor Lewis, nu hoor je al complot theorieën, en/of dat het komt omdat hij heeft moeten forceren.... Wat een flauwekul allemaal... Een mechanische sport gaat er wel is iets stuk....

      • + 2
      • 5 okt 2016 - 12:45
    • Hemex

      Posts: 1.270

      Die theorieën worden allemaal aangewakkerd door de non-informatie die ons van hogerhand wordt aangereikt. Iedereen kiest wat hij het meest waarschijnlijk vindt, en van daaruit worden er allerlei nieuwe theorieën geboren
      Ach, wat maakt het ook uit, het houdt ons wat bezig. Iemand iets beters te doen dan?

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 13:03
    • Pieterzji

      Posts: 965

      tja, Hemex. Heb net zonnepanelen gekregen. Ben in de gaten aan het houden wat ze opleveren. Ook zeer spannend....

      • + 1
      • 5 okt 2016 - 16:04
    • Hemex

      Posts: 1.270

      Draadjes al aangeraakt? Kan ook heel spannend zijn... Moet de zon natuurlijk wel schijnen, dus hou het vooral heel goed in de gaten.

      • + 1
      • 5 okt 2016 - 18:50
  • John6

    Posts: 8.170

    Goede kans voor Red Bull in Japan, alle leuke verhaaltjes ten spijt, Mercedes zal zeker niet vol uit gaan.

    • + 0
    • 5 okt 2016 - 12:42
    • AyrtonS

      Posts: 3.984

      Omder normale omstandigheden hoeft mb niet voluit te gaan om rbr te verslaan, als dat nog niet duidelijk is dan weet ik het niet meer,

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 00:27
    • John6

      Posts: 8.170

      AYRTONS

      Dat klopt ze zullen ook makkelijk Kampioen worden, maar gaat ook ergens anders om, de totale overheersing zijn ze even kwijt, de show van Red Bull zal iedereen bij blijven van Max en Ric, en in Japan moet er nog maar even afgewacht worden hoe het uitpakt met de motoren.
      Hier zijn ze heel ziek van geloof mij maar, en dat maakt het spelletje ook heel leuk.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 02:44
  • Dale U

    Posts: 1.484

    We know how difficult it can be to pass Verstappen, die teams houden er gewoon rekening mee als ze een pitstop doen, voor Verstappen uit te komen en ZEKER niet erachter, is wel geinig.

    • + 2
    • 5 okt 2016 - 12:55
    • Natuurlijk is Max sneller op oude banden, dan Lewis op nieuwe banden, dat weet toch iedereen. Zeker op een circuit waar je niet kunt inhalen!

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 13:20
    • Pieterzji

      Posts: 965

      Nee Schwantz, jij verwisseld Verstappen met Sainz.

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 16:05
  • geert61

    Posts: 1.099

    het extra van dr marko is het blikje rb daar krijg je blijkbaar vleugels van .
    maar mb kan meer uit de motoren persen dan de andere die zoon ding gebruiken .
    ze zitten dus blijkbaar aan de top van wat de motor hebben kan .
    het lijkt mij best aannemelijk dan de vooruitgang van rb dit jaar mb dwingt tot het uiterste .
    en max voorbij kan wel in de bochten max mag ook niet passeren op het rechte stuk dus een ander ook niet

    • + 0
    • 5 okt 2016 - 13:53
  • Allemaal gemakkelijk praten achteraf ...

    • + 0
    • 5 okt 2016 - 14:24
  • Azuli

    Posts: 208

    Haha de arrogantie van Helmut Redbull is echt hilarisch! Hij zet het team Redbull met z'n gedrag en uitspraken alleen maar voor schut. Mercedes onder druk zetten is aan geen enkel team besteed anno 2016. Dat Helmut dat na bijna 3 jaar nog niet door heeft.

    • + 0
    • 5 okt 2016 - 14:54
    • Daarom krijgt Hamilton de opdracht te blijven pushen zeker :P
      Er lag meer druk bij MB dan jij denkt.

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 17:43
    • Pipo

      Posts: 4.742

      Azuli: Wat heb jij gekeken dit weekeind? Vast niet de GP van Maleisië.

      • + 0
      • 5 okt 2016 - 20:07
    • AyrtonS

      Posts: 3.984

      Waarom wint rbr niet dan als beide mb nog in de race zijn?

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 00:29
    • De druk van Red Bull is er zeker wel en zorgt voor problemen wat betreft de betrouwbaarheid bij Mercedes. Ze konden altijd nog wat opschroeven, maar die grens is nu duidelijk bereikt. Renault werd vorig jaar de grond in geboord, maar hebben dit jaar een top motor geleverd die steeds sneller werd en net zo betrouwbaar bleef, zodat Mercedes de grens van de betrouwbaarheid op moest zoeken.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 00:38

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