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Sauber in 2017 met Ferrari-motoren uit 2016

  • Gepubliceerd op 06 okt 2016 12:08
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Sauber kiest ervoor om volgend jaar met motoren uit 2016 te rijden, meldt Auto Motor und Sport. De Zwitserse renstal heeft door de financiële problemen eerder dit seizoen een grote achterstand opgelopen met de ontwikkeling van de auto voor 2017. Daarom gaat Sauber voor zekerheid en de dimensies van de 2016-specificatie Ferrari-motor zijn bekend.

Sauber kon het sein voor de ontwikkeling van de wagen voor volgend jaar pas op groen zetten na de overname door Longbow Finance. De overige teams waren op dat moment al maanden bezig met de bolide voor volgend seizoen. De afmetingen van de huidige Ferrari V6 en alle bijbehorende systemen van dit jaar staan vast, waarmee Sauber het ontwerpteam duidelijkheid wil verschaffen.

Het in Hinwil gevestigde team zal in 2017 met de laatste specificatie motor van 2016 rijden. Ferrari introduceerde die krachtbron bij de Italiaanse Grand Prix op Monza. Sauber rijdt zelf nog niet met die motor omdat elke motorwissel een grid penalty betekent. Wat ook meespeelt in de beslissing van de Zwitserse renstal is dat ze voor 2018 waarschijnlijk overstappen op aandrijving van Honda.

NOTHINGBUTTHETRUTH

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"Sauber rijdt zelf nog niet met die motor omdat elke motorwissel een grid penalty betekent."

Wat maakt een gridpenalty nou nog uit als je toch altijd al vrijwel achteraan kwalificeert?

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  • Robert-Jan

    Posts: 268

    Zonde weer dit, zakken steeds verder weg.

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 12:11
    • Pieterzji

      Posts: 965

      Kan het niet zo zijn dat ze dan meer geld overhouden om aan de earodynamica te werken.... werkte ook redelijk voor TR

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 12:20
    • henny jr

      Posts: 1.275

      dat wel maar zoals je nu ziet is TR flink afgezakt omdat de motor niet wordt doorontwikkeld, iets wat je nu ook bij sauber gaat krijgen.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 12:53
    • NOTHINGBUTTHETRUTH

      Posts: 13.929

      "earodynamica". Laatst schreef je dit ook al. Ben jij soms dol op gestroomlijnde oren?

      • + 4
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:11
    • Pieterzji

      Posts: 965

      En wat is er mis met earodynamiche oren?
      Meer mensen zouden die moeten hebben.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:58
    • Hemex

      Posts: 1.270

      Werken volgens mij ook best redelijk. Misschien wel beter dan flaporen, hoewel ik daar geen persoonlijke ervaring mee heb. Misschien moet je nog wel je voorvleugel wat beter afstellen om het geheel optimaal te krijgen. Earodynamica is zó 2017.

      • + 1
      • 6 okt 2016 - 14:45
    • bonensoep

      Posts: 566

      @Hemex

      Jij bedoeld waarschijnlijk de neusvleugels?

      • + 2
      • 6 okt 2016 - 15:28
    • z0mer

      Posts: 2.104

      Haha, sorry maar Sauber gaat geen geld overhouden. Ze gaan dit jaar geen prijzengeld krijgen vanwege de laatste positie en als ze al maanden achterlopen, dan weet je ook al dat de volgende auto van het team een nog grotere drol gaat worden. Het zal mij persoonlijk verbazen wanneer ze het einde van volgend jaar halen.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 15:28
    • vitesse

      Posts: 1.524

      Earodynamiche oren ,zoals bij Lauda?

      • + 1
      • 6 okt 2016 - 16:11
    • Patrace

      Posts: 4.008

      Jammer inderdaad.

      En als ze in de basis nu een heel goed chassis zouden hebben, zoals Toro Rosso dit jaar, dan zouden ze in het begin van het seizoen nog wel kunnen mee komen.
      Helaas is hun chassis nu ook al niet goed, dat gecombineerd met een (relatief) zwakke motor betekent dat we nu al weten wie de rode lantaarn heeft volgend seizoen.

      Opvallend dat ze pas zijn gaan ontwikkelen aan de 2017 auto nadat ze de financiering bevestigd hadden. Betekent dit dat ze anders failliet waren gegaan en dus niet zouden starten in 2017? Want anders hadden ze toch tenminste in de computer aan het ontwerp voor 2017 kunnen beginnen, lijkt me? De regels waren bekend en met de 2016 auto kun je niet meedoen.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 17:47
  • Sjaak Nieuwendorp

    Posts: 202

    Jammer, staan ze dus meteen op achterstand....

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 12:13
  • hondamp4/4

    Posts: 1.542

    Snap dat ze gewoon willen overleven maar op deze manier wordt 2017 gewoon weer een verloren jaar voor Sauber.

    • + 1
    • 6 okt 2016 - 12:16
    • Big_El

      Posts: 2.137

      Elk punt dat ze met zo'n oude motor kunnen halen is al meegenomen. Volgend jaar proberen te rijden met een doorontwikkeling van het huidige chassis is geen optie, dus dan maar met de motor van dit jaar.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:20
    • Hemex

      Posts: 1.270

      Voorlopig is die Ferrari motor maar zo'n 0,5 seconden langzamer dan de Renault (sorry: Tag-Heuer) van RBR. En soms zelfs wel sneller. Als ze daarmee volgend jaar een beetje mee kunnen komen hoeft dat helemaal geen verloren jaar te zijn. Of heeft elk auto buiten de top 10 een verloren jaar?

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:47
    • hondamp4/4

      Posts: 1.542

      Zie Torro Rosso. Die zijn ook al sinds de zomer kansloos en dan hebben ze nog wel een zeer goed chassis ook. Dat laatste zal Sauber niet hebben. Buiten de top tien rijden is geen verloren jaar maar structureel achter lopen op de concurrentie is dat wel.
      @Hemex: hoe kan de Ferrari motor nou soms sneller en soms 0,5 langzamer zijn?

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:51
    • Demon Hell

      Posts: 114

      HEMEX@ Je bedoelt RB chassis is sneller , het verschil tussen een Ferrari 2016 motor en een Renault is nog steeds 25 pk en Mercedes boven de 45 pk , volgen jaar bouwt Renault ook een 500 bar spuiter net als Honda Ferrari en Mercedes , Renault gebruikt nog steeds de 250 bar inspuiting zins 2014 , das wel zuinig.

      • + 2
      • 6 okt 2016 - 14:30
    • Hemex

      Posts: 1.270

      Zeker, jullie hebben gelijk, het chassis heeft er veel mee te maken. En ik denk ook heus niet dat Sauber met de top mee zou kunnen als ze nu over die Ferrari motor zouden beschikken. Maar voor Sauber zal het een flinke potentiële verbetering zijn, waarschijnlijk voor weinig geld. En het zou best eens kunnen dat ze het met die motor beter gaan doen dan dit jaar. Dus om te spreken van een verloren jaar vind ik op z'n minst voorbarig. Als je een smalle beurs hebt, dan moet je pakken wat je krijgen kunt.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 14:40
  • MRT-05

    Posts: 68

    Goed nieuws voor Manor.

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 12:17
    • Pietje2013

      Posts: 8.974

      Op zich wel, maar nu staan ze er ook al voor.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 12:35
    • NicoS

      Posts: 16.770

      In de stand wel, maar Manor was toch de afgelopen races het langzaamste team.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 12:46
    • Andy2102

      Posts: 1.391

      Dat zal ze weinig uitmaken; zolang Sauber niet scoort finisht Manor in de top-10, Sauber niet.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 17:10
  • pietervs

    Posts: 94

    Ik vind het geen verkeerde stap, de motor zal volgend jaar een stuk minder van belang zijn dan dit jaar door de vele aerodynamische veranderingen. Als noodlijdend team zal je toch op iets kosten moeten besparen. Dan maar op iets wat minder van belang is.

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 12:21
    • Maxiaans

      Posts: 7.967

      @ Pieter vs, is het niet zo dat meer druk en meer rubber de auto vertragen? Dus dat méér vermogen nodig is om dat ding van z'n plaats te krijgen?
      De motor zal altijd een heel belangrijk onderdeel zijn om snel in de ronde te gaan.

      • + 2
      • 6 okt 2016 - 12:35
    • Kenju

      Posts: 2.629

      @MAXIAANS: Er is inderdaad meer weerstand. Daarnaast zullen de auto's zwaarder zijn. Maar met meer mechanische grip maakt de motor minder uit. Aerodynamica geldt hetzelfde voor. Daarom is er tijdens bijv. regenraces meer een leveled playingfield, net als op kleine mickey mouse baantjes. Het draait om grip en met meer grip is het verschil kleiner. Aerodynamische grip wordt minder belangrijk.

      Het is overigens geen bewuste stap; ze hebben de optie gewoon niet meer om een auto klaar te maken voor een 2017 motor.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:19
    • Big_El

      Posts: 2.137

      En door het afschaffen van het token systeem voor volgend jaar zullen de doorontwikkelingen van de motor tot veel grotere stappen kunnen leiden.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:20
    • Maxiaans

      Posts: 7.967

      We zullen het zien in tweeduizendzeventien.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:40
    • pietervs

      Posts: 94

      @maxiaans Tuurlijk blijft het een belangrijk onderdeel, maar kijk maar eens naar RB vs renault of manor vs mercedes(extreem). Zelfde motor 3 seconden verschil. Ik zie de motor volgend jaar niet over het gehele jaar met 3 seconden verbeteren. Vooral nu de motor richting zijn maximum gaat komen. Daarnaast verliest men de minste tijd op het rechte stuk. Of je nou 330 of 340kmpu gaat maakt in principe niet veel uit. Het gaat er meer om hoe hard je door de bochten gaat.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 14:12
    • Maxiaans

      Posts: 7.967

      Begrepen Pieter vs@kenju

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 14:46
    • Patrace

      Posts: 4.008

      De motor maakt natuurlijk veel uit. Ook als je veel meer mechanische grip hebt.
      Je kunt dan wel harder een bocht door, maar het accelereren uit de bocht vraagt toch om motorvermogen, evenals het behalen van de topsnelheid.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 18:06
  • Caramba

    Posts: 5.786

    Ben meer benieuwd welke motor in de TR komt te hangen.

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 12:24
    • Nachtwaker12

      Posts: 64

      Euuhm, Renault?

      • + 1
      • 6 okt 2016 - 12:29
    • skibeest

      Posts: 1.540

      Dat wordt de Renault

      • + 1
      • 6 okt 2016 - 12:29
    • JDinkelman

      Posts: 2.472

      Dat dat een up-to-date Renault wordt, is volgens mij al lang bekend gemaakt. Alleen welke sticker erop komt, is niet bekend. Casio?

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 12:30
    • Benno329

      Posts: 2.786

      Renault

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:15
    • Maxiaans

      Posts: 7.967

      Volgens mij is het een Renault ;-)

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:19
    • Caramba

      Posts: 5.786

      Die had ik kennelijk even gemist.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:20
    • Maxiaans

      Posts: 7.967

      Ai ai, caramba

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:25
  • Wouter666

    Posts: 2.267

    Wordt het team ook ineens minder interessant voor paydrivers lijkt me. Beter toch die nieuwe motor en dat extra geld bij betalende coureurs weg zien te halen. Ik denk dat Toro Rosso nu het perfecte voorbeeld is waarom dit niet verstandig is, met oude motoren rijden.

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 12:25
    • JDinkelman

      Posts: 2.472

      Sommigen willen koste wat kost in de F1 rijden. Ik verwacht overigens dat er minder verschil zit tussen een 2016 en een 2017 motor dan tussen een 2015 en een 2016 motor.

      Hoe dan ook, ik zie Sauber het verschil ook niet compenseren met een goed chassis en aero zoals TR dat enigzins gedaan heeft dus dit zal een redelijk kansloos jaar worden.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 12:34
    • Kenju

      Posts: 2.629

      Als het gewoon geen optie is, houdt het op, toch? Of het nu technisch is (Sauber) of om andere redenen (STR). STR had de optie niet omdat Ferrari deze niet aan ze wilde of konden leveren.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:20
  • manuel

    Posts: 3.119

    Met de mogelijkheden die Sauber heeft vind ik het een hele verstandige keus. En verder wegzakken kan niet. Nu gewoon alles in de ontwikkeling van het nieuwe chassis stoppen.

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 12:29
    • JDinkelman

      Posts: 2.472

      Ik denk dat ze mede voor het huidige blok kiezen zodat ze zo min mogelijk aan de auto hoeven te doen (al zijn de aanpassingen voor 2017 redelijk ingrijpend).

      2017 wordt meedoen om het meedoen. 107% zou een uitdaging kunnen worden.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 12:38
    • Kenju

      Posts: 2.629

      @JDINKELMAN: Ik denk dat ze wel degelijk met een nieuwe auto komen, maar gewoon weer ontworpen om de huidige motor. Op deze manier kunnen ze daadwerkelijk met een ontwikkelde auto komen op basis van inzichten die ze al hebben. Voor de 2017-spec is het te laat. De huidige auto is ook al gebaseerd op die van vorig jaar.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:22
  • moder

    Posts: 5

    Ferrari is weer eens
    gierig

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 12:33
    • Levano

      Posts: 802

      Leg eens uit? Ferrari vraagt voor elke specificatie motor een bedrag, waarbij de nieuwste ook het duurste zijn. Dat Sauber het niet kan betalen is niet hun probleem, ze gaan niet voor één team de prijs/prijzen omlaag brengen.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 17:01
  • maxioos

    Posts: 1.824

    Ik meende dat de FIA dat had verboden vanaf 2017.Gezien wat dit jaar gebeurd met STR en van waar Sauber moet wegkomen lijkt me het ook een hele slechte beslissing. Grote kans op p11 WCC en dus geen prijzengeld net als dit jaar een punt moeilijk gaat worden.

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 12:37
    • maxioos

      Posts: 1.824

      Heb nog even google gevraagd.

      Het kan/mag alleen met toestemming FIA.

      "Engine manufacturers may continue to supply old versions of their power units in future seasons – but only with the approval of the FIA."

      www.f1fanatic.co.u(...)e-year-old-engines/

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 12:59
  • Darlos Cainz

    Posts: 5.665

    Jammer, dit had ik niet zien aankomen en dat terwijl ik onlangs wat sauber aandelen had gekocht...ik ga Monisha bellen en eisen dat Giedo een stoeltje krijgt voor 2017 ter compensatie. Ik hou jullie op de hoogte.

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 12:39
  • AzzKickah

    Posts: 75

    Wat een knakenteam is dat geworden zeg. Staat nu al vast dat ze volgend jaar mogen hopen dat ze Manor kunnen verslaan.
    Aanfluiting. Weg ermee.

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 12:45
    • JDinkelman

      Posts: 2.472

      Ik betwijfel of ze die ambitie hebben.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 12:48
    • Darlos Cainz

      Posts: 5.665

      @AZZ weg ermee? Er zijn al zo weinig teams in de F1...we moeten koesteren wat we hebben.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:53
  • Kartal

    Posts: 88

    Applaus voor jezelf Monisha!

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 12:59
  • Erwinnaar

    Posts: 4.904

    Einde van het begin nadert.

    • + 1
    • 6 okt 2016 - 13:09
  • NOTHINGBUTTHETRUTH

    Posts: 13.929

    "Sauber rijdt zelf nog niet met die motor omdat elke motorwissel een grid penalty betekent."

    Wat maakt een gridpenalty nou nog uit als je toch altijd al vrijwel achteraan kwalificeert?

    • + 7
    • 6 okt 2016 - 13:12
    • Benno329

      Posts: 2.786

      Dat was ook mijn eerste gedachte NBTT. Je blijft lachen met Monisha! Die vrouw heeft echt humor.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:18
    • Big_El

      Posts: 2.137

      Het zal inderdaad meer iets zijn van: elke motorwissel betekent een extra motor tov het contract en dus extra kosten.

      • + 1
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:23
    • Maxiaans

      Posts: 7.967

      Wat zou ik graag willen weten wat Peter nu denkt..

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:23
    • Kenju

      Posts: 2.629

      In Maleisië stonden ze voor een McLaren, een Renault en beiden Manors. Dat zijn plekken die je niet zomaar teruggewonnen hebt met de auto die Sauber heeft. Ook niet met die verbeterde motor. Dus ik snap het wel.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 13:24
    • Kartal

      Posts: 88

      @BIG_EL Daar heb je gelijk in. Ze kunnen de huidige manuren nog maar nauwelijks uitbetalen, laat staan extra manuren om een nieuwe motor in te lepelen.
      @KENJU Ze kunnen die plekken inderdaad niet meer terugwinnen maar kunnen de races wel gebruiken om de nieuwe motor te testen.

      • + 0
      • 6 okt 2016 - 20:19
  • l3x1c0n

    Posts: 343

    Deze constructie is wel erg jammer. Volgend jaar is het tokensysteem verleden tijd. Wil niet weten hoe snel ze dan achterop raken.

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 14:00
  • pacoramon

    Posts: 572

    jezus man ik vind dit echt zwaar belachelijk! Het slaat helemaal nergens op dat ze toestaan dat teams gaan rijden met motoren die een jaar oud zijn........ Dat is gewon belachelijk. Volgend jaar heb je weer niks aan sauber. Bende

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 14:45
  • _Firebeats_

    Posts: 1.412

    weer vlammen uit de luchtinlaat xd

    • + 0
    • 6 okt 2016 - 19:09
  • SennaDaSilva

    Posts: 3.843

    Ik begrijp de uitleg van Sauber niet... Of ligt het aan mij en lees ik 't verkeerd?

    Ze gaan met 2016 motors rijden omdat ze te laat konden beginnen met het ontwerpen van de auto voor volgend jaar?
    Wat is dat voor rare uitleg !?

    Ferrari kan gewoon de afmetingen etc. van de geplande 2017 PU doorgeven aan Sauber, dan kunnen ze daar mee aan de slag.
    Maar ze waren alvast maar begonnen op basis van de 2016 motor?

    Gewoon een verdraaide manier van zeggen " we kunnen de 2017 motor niet betalen". Past precies in de manier waarop Monisha werkt, de verdraaide verhalen/verklaringen en leugens stapelen zich op bij haar.
    Een enorme schijnheil...

    • + 1
    • 6 okt 2016 - 20:30

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