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Red Bull en Renault beide debet aan achterstand

Gepubliceerd op 30 maa 2017 11:49
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Door: Rob Veenstra

Red Bull Racing en Renault zijn allebei even schuldig aan de achterstand op concurrenten Ferrari en Mercedes. De Oostenrijkse renstal en de Franse motorenpartner hebben een evenredig aandeel in het verschil van meer dan een halve seconde naar de top. Dat is volgens Speed Week, een aan Red Bull gerelateerde autosportplatform, het verdict van Red Bull Racing-teambaas Christian Horner.

De Renault V6 komt ongeveer 50 pk tekort ten opzichte van de motoren van Ferrari en Mercedes. De Franse autofabrikant is van plan om daar wat aan te doen. Motorleveranciers hoeven zich niet meer te houden aan een of ander raar tokensysteem en kunnen zich naar hartenlust uitleven met de ontwikkeling van de aandrijflijn. De enige beperking komt uit het feit dat coureurs dit jaar maximaal vier motoren mogen verbruiken. Bij een vijfde krachtbron volgt een grid penalty.

Een eerste kleine update voor de Renault-motor komt in Spanje, maar de grote upgrade om de kloof naar Ferrari en Mercedes te overbruggen volgt in Canada. Ondertussen moet Red Bull Racing ook in de spiegel kijken en de hand in eigen boezem steken. Dat doet het team ook. Horner erkent dat de achterstand voor de helft toe te schrijven is aan het chassis van de overgevoelige RB13. De andere helft komt op het conto van de motor. Red Bull en Renault weten wat hen te doen staat.

Tieske73

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Heb je hoog zitten als forumlid WIBI maar je slaat wat mij betreft nu een beetje door in het negatieve. Allow me to elaborate:

- Renault heeft het ontwerp van de motor radicaal omgegooid omdat de rek uit het oude model was. Doorontwikkeling was niet mogelijk.
- Renault heeft altijd aangegeven ... [Lees verder]

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30 maa 2017 - 12:22

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wibi

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Dat wisten ze vorig jaar al prutsers...
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- 30 maa 2017 - 11:57
- beerkuh
  
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  nou Wibi pak je kans ;) er ligt een berg werk voor je als jij het kan :)
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:01
- wibi
  
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  Je moet geen achterstand willen goedmaken, want dat lukt bijna nooit. Zie de afgelopen jaren en met Ferrari vorig seizoen. Beter is starten met een goede of forse voorsprong. Daar is VET ook WK mee geworden of moesten ze toen ook terugkomen vanuit een bijna kansloze achterstand.? Ze kunnen het wel en wacht de 'performance' van Renault en Newey nog 1 wedstrijd af. Volgende race onvoldoende.? Zal Max die jaar niet de jongste WK ooit worden...
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:08
- Tieske73
  
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  Heb je hoog zitten als forumlid WIBI maar je slaat wat mij betreft nu een beetje door in het negatieve. Allow me to elaborate:
  
  - Renault heeft het ontwerp van de motor radicaal omgegooid omdat de rek uit het oude model was. Doorontwikkeling was niet mogelijk.
  - Renault heeft altijd aangegeven dat ze (letterlijk blijkbaar) langzaam aan beginnen, focussen op betrouwbaarheid en daarna pas focussen op snelheid. Ze hebben nooit aangegeven dat ze vanaf de eerste race op hetzelfde niveau zouden zitten
  - We zijn pas 1 race bezig. Je klinkt alsof je het opgegeven hebt
  - Er komt een gerepareerde MGU-K die 5 kilo lichter is en meer prestaties levert
  - Er komt een kleine motorupdate gevolgd door een grote motor update
  - Marko geeft aan dat de auto zelf sterk verbeterd zal worden in de aankomende weken
  - Misschien gaat het in China al een stuk beter
  - Het seizoen is nog lang
  - Ferrari en Mercedes snoepen elkaar punten af
  - Je moet altijd positief blijven!
  
  :)
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:22
- wibi
  
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  OK Tieske. Zal me aan jouw woorden vasthouden, maar het verleden heeft te veel teleurstellingen opgeleverd. Daarom heb ik het ook over de volgende race om definitief een conclusie te kunnen trekken. Ook komt alles voort uit mijn persoonlijke teleurstelling. Zie graag VER de jongste WK ooit worden en dat zie ik niet snel meer gebeuren. De zaak tussen RBR en Renault stelt me ook nog niet gerust...bij mij lijkt het nu op hopen tegen beter weten in...en dat wil voor mezelf (en anderen wellicht) voorkomen.
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:34
- Tieske73
  
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  Vettel was 23 jaar en 134 dagen. Hij hoeft niet perse dit jaar wereldkampioen te worden om de jongste ooit te zijn. Daarnaast zou ik me daar niet blind op staren. Wees blij dat er iemand is die er uberhaupt toe in staat is. Of het hem ooit gegund is, hangt van veel factoren af. Het is onredelijk om van Verstappen te verwachten dat hij dit jaar al WK wordt. Als je dat uit je hoofd zet wordt het een prachtig seizoen
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:53
- Sirhenry
  
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  Idd prutsers, vorig jaar al duidelijk en nog bakken die Fransozen er weer niks van...dat merk je ook aan hun straatwagens.Ik heb een Megane 1.5 diesel gereden. Vorig jaar overgestapt op een Mercedes C220cdi. Man,man wat een wereld van verschil. Nooit meer Renault met alle mankementjes en storingen en man wat valt die service tegen. Onvriendelijk en onkundig. Bij Mercedes is het super service wat de klok slaat. Geduldig en zeer deskundig. Alleen heb ik wel eens problemen met de navigatie die soms rare dingen doet, zelfs na een update problemen maar de rest; piep en kraakvrij, Burmester sound is geweldig.noot meer iets anders! In de F1 zie je hetzelfde verschil, Mercedes top, Renault, met de franse slag...al een aantal jaren zo...
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  30 maa 2017 - 14:10
- James Raven
  
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  Vreemd, Sir Henry. Ik ben van Toyota overgestapt naar Renault. Voelt luxer en minder problemen. Maar om Toyota, na hun gestuntel met een enorm budget in de F1, nu te betittelen als prutsers gaat mij te ver.
  
  Of je een Mercedes mag vergelijken met een Renault is een tweede. De aanschafwaarde zal toch wat hoger liggen.
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  30 maa 2017 - 14:51
- hupholland
  
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  en ik ben overgestapt van Mercedes op Ferrari. Wat een verschil ;)
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  30 maa 2017 - 14:55
- Benno329
  
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  Als RB/Renault volgend jaar kampioen wil worden moeten ze dit jaar gebruiken om alles door en door te testen en upgraden. Wat mij betreft elke race nieuwe p.u. en aangepast chassis totdat ze een perfect pakket hebben voor 2018. Zien we tenminste ook weer mooie inhaalacties van Ricciardo en Verstappen. Laat Mercedes en Ferrari maar strijden om de titel van 2017.
  Zelfs dan kunnen ze nog makkelijk 3e in de einstand worden.
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  30 maa 2017 - 15:33
- wibi
  
  Posts: 4.519
  Het kan dus wel... berichtje van gisteren: De dag dat Brawn GP bij het debuut meteen won
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  30 maa 2017 - 16:37
- oale
  
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  Tieske top ?
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  30 maa 2017 - 16:41
- Gompie
  
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  @SIRHENRY: Ik heb 5 Renaults (3x Twingo en 2x Mégane Cabrio) gehad en nooit één cent ellende en uitstekende service van mijn vakgarage. En Renault F1 prutsers? Ze zijn zo ongeveer de uitvinders van de turbomotor en bij mijn weten met RBR, Renault en Williams WC geworden in 1992-1993-1995-1996-1997-2005-2006-2010-2011-2012-2013. Dus als jij dat prutsers noemt, dan zegt dat heel wat over jou, namelijk dat je geen reet verstand hebt van F1-geschiedenis.
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  30 maa 2017 - 18:32
- Motori-arte
  
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  Adac 2 jaar terug. Renault meeste pechgevallen Toyota minste(op een gemiddelde). Ik heb dit jaar mijn Toyota ingeruild voor een red bull. Tot nu toe niet heel tevreden, penetrante lucht en erg blikkerig.
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  31 maa 2017 - 01:03
schwantz34

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RBR was vorig jaar verrassend sterk in China, hopelijk kunnen ze dat volgend weekend herhalen.
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- 30 maa 2017 - 12:00
- Billgates307
  
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  Zou mooi zijn. Alleen is China nu 2e race ipv 3e. Marco zei al dat ze 1 a2 races nodig hebben om de problemen met chassis te verhelpen. Dus Bahrein meer kans?
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  30 maa 2017 - 18:13
R.E.V

Posts: 267
Je kan het nazoeken, no joke..
2015.. deficit 100 bhp of Mercedes
2016.. 50-60 bhp minder dan Mercedes
2017.. ongeveer 50 bhp van Mercedes
Tegen de tijd dat we een nieuwe motorformule krijgen zijn ze weer bij.. bijna

Red Bull zal sneller stappen maken, Melbourne is zelden een goed circuit voor ze.
Ze hebben mid-speed & high speed doordraaiers nodig, als in Barcelona
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- 30 maa 2017 - 12:00
- Verstoppen
  
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  Ze lopen elk jaar achter de feiten aan, ja.
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:03
- Caramba
  
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  Oplossing: dwing Mercedes met een motor uit 2015 deel te nemen.
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:27
- manuel
  
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  Rev Volgens mij heeft Max al aangegeven dat ze zelfs minder downforce hebben dan Mercedes en Ferrari. Dus de snelle bochten is nu zelfs hun mindere kant. De achterstand zal de komende races zelfs oplopen. RBR heeft zich voornamelijk op snelheid op de rechte stukken gericht.
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  30 maa 2017 - 13:00
- Pipo
  
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  Het enige team dat niet achter de feiten aanloopt is het team dat op nummer 1 staat. De rest moet zorgen dat ze inlopen. En dat hebben ze bij RBR verleden jaar redelijk tot goed gedaan. En ik verwacht dat ze dit jaar ook weer een goede inhaalslag gaan maken. En het is makkelijker snelle stappen te maken als je flink moet verbeteren dan als je al aan de top staat.
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  30 maa 2017 - 13:03
- hupholland
  
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  Renault wil met haar eigen team kampioen worden in 2019. Die hebben niet zo'n haast.
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  30 maa 2017 - 14:57
- Reno
  
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  @Pipo, gaarne je reactie vanaf minuut 19 t.a.v. rake.
  Bron: Sky
  
  www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL5u74EROkg
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  30 maa 2017 - 21:23
Trabant

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RedBull is als team gewoon heel sterk. Het is geen schande om achterstand te hebben tov Mercedes en Ferrari.

Het is wel jammer, maar dat is een ander verhaal.
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- 30 maa 2017 - 12:02
dutchiceman

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Wauw, voor de wintertest werd er van daken geschreeuwd dat RB kampioen gaat worden en mee gaat doen met overwinningen, door teambazen adviseurs en weet ik het wat. En nu blijkt dat RB minder sterk is gilt iedereen weer dat ze terug komen en halverwege seizoen sterker worden bla bla.
Ik geloof best dat ze terug komen dat zeker,
Maar roep dan niet van dat soort dingen in de media. Tevens is dit bericht 100 na de eerste race over RB. Wat dat betreft kunnen ze op media cursus bij Ferarri. Die hebben het dit jaar lekker stil gehouden. En blijven na 1!! race (nog) met beide voeten aan de grond.
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- 30 maa 2017 - 12:06
- KiekisNL
  
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  de reden dat een zeker dhr. Verstappen daar rijd zal daar ook debet aan zijn denk ik.
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:12
- DutchF1
  
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  Hier op het forum werd er ook in die trant geschreeuwd....en nog "onderbouwd" ook haha
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:17
- Maximo
  
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  @DUTCHMAN,
  
  Wie riep dat dan van de daken?
  
  Bij RB niet hoor, daar zeiden ze dat ze in de 2e seizoenshelft aan wilden haken bij de top en dat kan nog steeds.
  
  Ik denk dat je de vele reacties van fans bedoeld, maar goed, fans zijn nooit echt realistisch in hun visie lijkt mij.
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:18
- Appelscha f1
  
  Posts: 2.413
  Dat gaat natuurlijk ook lastig.....Want Redbull geeft je vleugels; )
  En er is nooit geroepen dat ze wel even wk worden. Daarbij heben we 1 race gehad. Hoeveel komen er nog?
  
  En dus tijd genoeg om af en toe een overwinning te pakken. En dat gaan ze met een beetje geluk ook echt wel doen.
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:18
- PitBox
  
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  Ik denk dat Ferrari verstandig is geweest om te zwijgen. Ferrari heeft gewonnen en Merc heeft een inschattingsfout tijdens de race gemaakt. In China eindigt waarschijnlijk Hamilton voor Vettel en Verstappen of Ricciardo voor Kimi. Dan is de pikorde redelijk hersteld en wordt het wk nog spannender.
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:26
- Maxiaans
  
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  Goedemiddag, ik vind het nogal wat 50pk. Dat is één hele Nissan micra, ga die maar eens tegen houden.
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:29
- Mojito
  
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  @maximo
  
  Dat vraag ik me dus ook af.
  
  Ken alleen iemand die iets over van het dak af komen liep te schreeuwen.
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:39
- rice
  
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  @Maximo, even een paar quotes en regels uit artikelen over Red Bull dat ze wel degelijk in de winter riepen dat ze in 2017 voor het kampioenschap zouden gaan:
  
  "Christian Horner, teambaas bij Red Bull Racing, verwacht dat Red Bull in 2017 een serieuze bedreiging zal gaan vormen voor Mercedes. De reglementen gaan in 2017 dusdanig op de schop zodat het ook voor Mercedes een flinke aanpassing zal gaan betekenen."
  
  “Dit is het sterkste koppel uit de geschiedenis van ons team. Ik zou Daniel volgend jaar graag kampioen zien worden, maar het wordt sowieso interessant. We gaan volgend seizoen voor de titel. Veel factoren spelen een rol, maar we hebben de middelen om een gooi naar het kampioenschap te doen.”
  
  "Momenteel zijn de teams allang bezig met computer- en windtunneltesten. En die lijken bijzonder goed uit te pakken voor het team van Red Bull. De nieuwe auto zou niet alleen zijn aerodynamische doelen halen, maar zelfs overtreffen.
  
  Het nieuws komt van Sky Sports-journalist Ted Kravitz die zijn oor te luister heeft gelegd bij medewerkers van Red Bull. De geluiden die hij hoorde waren zo positief dat hij vermoedt dat Red Bull weleens beter uit de winter kan komen dan Mercedes."
  
  “Ik denk dat we er volgend jaar klaar voor zijn om mee te doen om de titel” stelt Red Bull-kopstuk Helmut Marko.
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:48
- dutchiceman
  
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  Die bedoel ik dus @Rice, tanx.
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  30 maa 2017 - 12:56
- Pipo
  
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  @Dutchiceman: Wat ze bij RBR hebben geroepen is dat ze in 2017 mee willen doen voor het kampioenschap en er alles aan zullen doen. Is dit roepen dat je het wel even gaat doen?
  En is dit niet wat elk topteam roept en wil?
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  30 maa 2017 - 13:08
- dutchiceman
  
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  @pipo, iedereen wil toch kampioen worden?
  Gaat mij meer om het aantal keer dat het geroepen wordt. Als het dan ff ÉÉN race tegenzit meer meerdere malen roepen dat het halverwege het seizoen pas gaat komen. Wat voor berichten moeten we dan verwachten in de zomerstop als dat ook niet gelukt is?
  ik gok per dag weer 5 berichten per dag dat het allemaal goed gaat komen.
  Nogmaals ik heb er gewoon vertrouwen in en schrijf niemand af.
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  30 maa 2017 - 13:22
- rice
  
  Posts: 2.091
  @Pipo, Ferrari heeft afgelopen winter niets geroepen over hun win kansen voor 2017 en Mercedes heeft regelmatig gezegd dat ze verwachten dat het in 2017 een stuk moeilijker zou gaan en dat Ferrari en Red Bull sterk zullen terugkomen.
  
  Bovendien zit er een verschil tussen willen en het daadwerkelijk in de media roepen dat ze kampioen willen worden. Ieder team in de formule 1 wil natuurlijk kampioen worden, maar slechts weinig teams roepen dit daadwerkelijk in de media.
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  30 maa 2017 - 13:25
- Lefkol
  
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  Pipo mensen als jou moeten we gewoon gelijk geven. Sommige mensen hebben z'on dikke plaat voor hun kop dat je niet eens moet proberen ze ergens van te overtuigen. Je bent zo vermoeiend
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  30 maa 2017 - 13:27
- SolarCell
  
  Posts: 982
  @RICE @DUTCHICEMAN
  
  Dit gewauwel hier is nou precies wat zo irritant is. Onzin posten als zijnde de waarheid. Niemand die schreeuwde dat RBR wel even kampioen ging worden. En zelfs die zogenaamde 'bewijsstukjes die je net plaatst, Rice... Leer toch eens begrijpend te lezen. Jullie kletsen alleen maar uit jullie azijnzure nekjes!
  
  - Horner VERWACHT een serieuze bedreiging te vormen
  - Veel factoren spelen een rol, maar we hebben de middelen om EEN GOOI TE DOEN
  - Windtunneltesten LIJKEN bijzonder goed uit te pakken
  - Ted Kravits VERMOEDT dat Red Bull weleens beter uit de winter kan komen dan Mercedes
  - Helmut DENKT er volgend jaar klaar voor te zijn om mee te doen
  
  Zie je? In je aangedragen 'bewijsstukjes' spreekt niet van 'Wij worden wel even kampioen"
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  30 maa 2017 - 13:41
- MadMax2.0
  
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  Goed om al die uitspraken nog eens te lezen, bedankt Rice!!! Ik zit ook in een dipje na Melbourne, maar het was alleen Melbourne pas!!! Het circuit waar ze zelden sterk zijn!!! Koekoek we praten hier over Redbull het chassis zal echt iedere race nu beter gaan worden....laat ze lekker kijhard werken, zodra de motor bijna gelijk is aan MB en Ferrari staan ze ernaast daarna gaan ze er voorbij!!! In de Kwalificatie kreeg Redbull 8 tellen maar in de race zijn ze alleen verlagen op punten zo moet je het zien de wedstrijd is pas pas 1 ronden oud nog 19 te gaan!!!
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  30 maa 2017 - 13:44
- SolarCell
  
  Posts: 982
  @lefkol En wat moeten we dan met mensen zoals jij? Van de 20 post die je op je conto hebt zijn er precies 20 negatief gezever...
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  30 maa 2017 - 13:49
- Larry Perkins
  
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  Red Bull heeft aan het begin van het jaar gezegd dat de eerste helft van het seizoen het gat naar Mercedes steeds kleiner zal worden en in de tweede seizoenshelft wordt er serieus met Mercedes gestreden om de overwinningen.
  Natuurlijk hoopten ze stiekem op meer, maar dat is heel wat anders.
  
  Al het andere is door waardeloze media en overenthousiaste fans geroeptoeterd.
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  30 maa 2017 - 14:00
- Snelrondje
  
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  De performance van Red Bull is nu natuurlijk een gemakkelijk doelwit van de bashers. En die lol mogen ze hebben. Maar dat is natuurlijk wel een momentopname. Red Bull komt wel terug in dit seizoen. Dus is het zaak voor de bashers om nu optimaal te genieten van dit moment. Want zodra Red Bull weer op de eerste rij meedoet is de lol voor hen voorbij en begint de lol voor de Red Bull fans.
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  30 maa 2017 - 14:06
- Appelscha f1
  
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  @ LEFKOL
  
  Stop idd je energie maar in wat anders, dan een mede forumlid hier een beetje uit te schelden. Man man man......
  
  Je posten bestaan alleen maar uit oneliners en er is geen 1 post onderbouwd.
  Lekker makkelijk te zeggen dat je alles op afstand volgt. Als je zelf nuttige informatie hebt deel dat dan. Dit is een forum en is alle informatie die er binnen stroomt leuk of niet leuk te lezen. Maar elkaar maar wat afbranden met een zinloze niet onderbouwing......
  
  @pipo heeft gelijk en het word in een andere perceptie neergezet. Tja dan kun je alles zo gaan lezen. Horner over Ricciardo was al ergens in november, December. En die strekking ging over dat hij Ricc het wk gunde.
  
  Ted is journalist en heeft dit insite verkregen .....weer niet door Redbull naar buiten gebracht. Maar dus een aanname.
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  30 maa 2017 - 14:11
- rice
  
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  @SOLARCELL mag ik je hartelijk bedanken voor je "volwassen" reactie waarmee je mij en andere hier op het forum aanvalt puur omdat wij een menig geven of informatie van oudere berichten delen.
  
  Ik ga mij met mijn azijnzure nekje zoals je mij noemt, niet verlagen tot het niveau om andere op dit forum aan te vallen op de manier waarop jij dit doet. Van mij mag iedereen zijn mening hier geven, ook als die niet in mijn straatje past. Als je het niet erg vind ga ik nu verder studeren in mijn boek begrijpend lezen, want volgens jou moet ik daar nog veel leren....
  
  p.s. als jij vindt dat ik onzin post met die quotes dan is alles wat op deze website staat volgens jou onzin. De meeste quotes komen namelijk van deze website af ;)
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  30 maa 2017 - 14:30
- Pipo
  
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  @lefkol: Jouw neem ik helemaal niet serieus, en dat zijn er wel meer die dat met me eens zijn.
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  30 maa 2017 - 15:09
- Lefkol
  
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  Ik heb zelden zoveel domme mensen op een forum bij elkaar gezien.
  99,99 % zijn aannames en dan praten jullie over onderbouwen. Wat ik hier de afgelopen maanden heb gelezen, en als het dan tegen valt heeft niemand iets gezegd. Erg zielig zulke zogenaamde max fans
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  30 maa 2017 - 16:46
- SolarCell
  
  Posts: 982
  @RICE Gezien je reactie is het inderdaad broodnodig dat je je eens flink in dat boek verdiept. In de eerste plaats noem ik je geen azijnzurig nekje, ik VIND slechts dat jij en anderen de neiging uit zo'n nekje te kletsen. Da's dus wat anders.
  
  En dan je opmerking over de site die onzin zou uitkramen omdat die quotes hier te vinden zijn. Ook die bewijst eens te meer dat je écht niet begrijpend kunt lezen. Er is niks mis met de quotes, er is ook niks mis met deze site. Er gaat om wát de mensen áchter die quotes daadwerkelijk zeggen! Geen van hen zegt namelijk dat RBR wel even kampioen wordt, zoals jij en anderen willen doen geloven. En dat is nou precies waar ik een broertje dood aan heb! Hou het gewoon bij de feiten, trek niks uit zijn verband en verkoop je onzin hier niet als waarheid!
  
  Ik stel voor nog weekje 'Begrijpend lezen' te studeren... :-)
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  30 maa 2017 - 16:48
- SolarCell
  
  Posts: 982
  @lefkol De een zal wat snuggerder zijn dan de ander, maar over het algemeen valt het qua domheid best mee. Of moet zo'n grote ego hebben dat je in meervoud over jezelf spreekt. Ook voor jou geldt trouwens dat begrijpend lezen waarschijnlijk niet je sterkste kant is. Niemand ontkent toch dat er hier iets is gezegd? Men nuanceert alleen jullie uitspraken. Voor velen geldt dat de wens de vader van de gedachte is, klopt. Maar niemand die "van de daken heeft geschreeuwd dat RB kampioen gaat worden en mee gaat doen met overwinningen, door teambazen adviseurs en weet ik het wat", zoals @Dutchiceman wil doen geloven en waar deze hele heisa om te doen is...
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  30 maa 2017 - 17:00
- Gompie
  
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  Als Max bij Sauber had gereden hadden de 'experts' geroepen dat Sauber met twee vingers in de neus kampioen zou worden...
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  30 maa 2017 - 18:35
Twaron

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Ze moeten bij Red Bull niet steeds zeggen wij zijn met vettel 4x W kampioen geworden, dat is leuk maar je moet wel verder. En als Red Bull nou echt een hele grote team was hadden ze er nu wel gestaan, er is elke keer wel wat aan de hand daar. En het ergste vind ik nog dat ze hun eigen supporters voor het lapje houden, en dat voor een team als RED BULL schaam je!!
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- 30 maa 2017 - 12:23
- Maxiaans
  
  Posts: 7.967
  Weet je @Twarron, Mercedes en Ferrari bouwen zelf de motoren en Red Bull niet.
  Zou er vorig jaar exact de zelfde Mercedes achter in de RB12 liggen had ik het nog wel eens willen zien, net als dit jaar is Mercedes de sterkste op motorisch vlak. Met Ferrari op de hielen.
  Goed, as is verbrande turf en hebben we niks aan.
  + 1
  
  30 maa 2017 - 12:44
- Lefkol
  
  Posts: 715
  Dikke plus
  + 0
  
  30 maa 2017 - 13:23
Twaron

Posts: 177
Maxiaans ik snap wat je bedoeld maar dan moeten ze niet zo tokkelen daar in Milton Keynes
en meneer Marko.
- + 0
- 30 maa 2017 - 12:52
- Maxiaans
  
  Posts: 7.967
  Een judoka gaat ook niet vanzelf op z'n rug liggen, dat zou te makkelijk zijn.
  Een boxer slaat zichzelf niet knock-out maar roept dat ie de tegenstander tot moes mept.
  Zo gaat dat ook in deze wereld, onlangs met Ferrari gebeurt en niks gewonnen.
  + 0
  
  30 maa 2017 - 13:16
Remedy81

Posts: 5.871
Dat vier motor verhaal snap ik maar als je een race eerder 50pk meer kunt hebben dan doe je dat toch dan begin je aan het einde van het jaar maar een keer verder terug op de grid.
- + 0
- 30 maa 2017 - 13:16
Maximoes

Posts: 194
@ SIRHENRY, Als jij al zo lyrisch bent over je Mercedes C220cdi, hoe goed moet Audi het dan wel niet gaan doen als die ooit de F1 gaan betreden...;-)
- + 1
- 30 maa 2017 - 14:50
- Maximoes
  
  Posts: 194
  verkeerd lijntje..
  + 0
  
  30 maa 2017 - 14:51
- R32Turbo
  
  Posts: 17
  Kijk tenminste iemand die het snap RF, ze lagen inderdaad in meerdere modellen van Mercedes type A,B,C. als ik me niet vergis.
  + 0
  
  31 maa 2017 - 00:50
rf

Posts: 308
@Sirhenry: Die volgens jou zo slechte 1.5 dci Renault motor was volgens Mercedes zo goed dat ze standaard in een Benz zitten. Dus gewoon een Renaultblok in een Benz. Das beste oder nichts...
Je kennis over je blijkbaar geliefde merk is niet bijster geweldig. Roeptoeteren vermoedelijk des te meer.
- + 1
- 30 maa 2017 - 18:49
Belgianf1fan

Posts: 624
Afspraak in Barcelona, de ultieme test voor de RB13. Mocht blijken dat de afwijkende ontwerpfilosofie achter de RB13 niet werkt, dan doet RBR er best aan om dit project te klasseren en onmiddellijk aan 2018 te beginnen werken. Hoog tijd voor RBR om het ware potentieel van de RB13 te doorgronden.
- + 0
- 30 maa 2017 - 19:19
a.j.zomer

Posts: 1
Red Bull had niet verwacht dat het chassis
afgekeurd ging worden want Red Bull kon vorig jaar makelijk over de Kerbstones te kunnen rijden maar Ferrari heeft daar iets van gezegt en daardoor gaat de Red Bull minder snel door de bochten
- + 0
- 31 maa 2017 - 02:18
c4ndiru

Posts: 349
Max zei dat hij in Barcelona al voelde dat het niet goed zat met chassis/aero. Hadden ze dat niet al beter kunnen krijgen voor Melbourne?
- + 0
- 31 maa 2017 - 08:11

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