'Red Bull zou geen tweede viool moeten spelen'

  • Gepubliceerd op 07 jun 2017 14:44
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Het team van Red Bull Racing moet op zoek naar een motorenpartner die de Oostenrijkse renstal een behandeling op maat kan geven. Renault heeft sinds begin vorig jaar weer een eigen fabrieksteam en kan niet aan de behoeftes van Red Bull Racing voldoen. De hoofdmacht van het energiedrankenmerk loopt daardoor achter de feiten ten opzichte van concurrenten Ferrari en Mercedes aan.

Dat oordeel velt voormalig Cosworth-topman Mark Gallagher in The F1 Report van Sky Sports F1. "Red Bull Racing ondervindt hinder van het feit dat ze geen fabrieksteam zijn. Ook al hebben ze een goede en sterke partner in de vorm van Renault, Renault heeft een eigen fabrieksteam en daar zal toch meer aandacht naar uitgaan. Red Bull Racing zou geen tweede viool moeten spelen voor een motorleverancier, ze verdienen een eigen unieke partner voor de levering van krachtbronnen."

"Geen klantenmotor, maar een op maat gemaakte aandrijflijn. De realiteit is dat dit de doorslag geeft in de hedendaagse Formule 1. Je kunt niet meer een motor van een ander in je eigen auto monteren en denken dat je daarmee succesvol kunt zijn. Je moet een krachtbron volledig integreren zodat het echt onderdeel uitmaakt van het concept voor de auto."

"Ik ben een groot voorstander van wat Red Bull-motorsportadviseur Helmut Marko eerder heeft geroepen, namelijk dat de Formule 1 een onafhankelijke motorleverancier nodig heeft. Maar ze hebben ook een onafhankelijke motorleverancier nodig die aan de wensen van Red Bull Racing kan voldoen. Die capaciteit is er wel bij bedrijven als Cosworth."

Kosten

Voormalig McLaren-monteur Marc Priestley vraagt zich af of dat de oplossing is. "Je kunt een onafhankelijke motorleverancier naar de Formule 1 halen, wat geweldig zou zijn voor de kleinere teams omdat de kosten dan omlaag gaan, maar hoe kan een onafhankelijke motorleverancier de strijd met grootmachten als Mercedes en Ferrari aan zonder dat de kosten de pan uit rijzen? Dat is de echte uitdaging."

@marc Priestley; budgetplafond voor de aandrijflijn?
Laat maar gebeuren, ben ook voorstander zonder oranje bril, wel met F1 bril.

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  • 7 jun 2017 - 14:49

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  • @marc Priestley; budgetplafond voor de aandrijflijn?
    Laat maar gebeuren, ben ook voorstander zonder oranje bril, wel met F1 bril.

    • + 2
    • 7 jun 2017 - 14:49
    • gurbedurk

      Posts: 66

      Gebeurt toch niet

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2017 - 15:03
    • Precies laat maar gebeuren.
      Leuk voor voormalig Cosworth-topman Mark Gallagher dat hij dezelfde mening als ons heeft @Maxiaans. Ben benieuwd hoe vaak hij dit forum bezoekt. ;)

      Goed beschouwd kan er zelfs een moment komen dat het wel zal moeten.

      • + 2
      • 7 jun 2017 - 15:28
    • z0mer

      Posts: 2.104

      Een budgetplafond is gewoon moeilijk om te realiseren bij dit soort bedrijven.

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2017 - 15:37
    • Daarnaast zou het oneerlijk zijn om dat nu te introduceren. Alle huidige motorleveranciers hebben jarenlang kunnen/mogen uitgeven wat ze nodig achtten, als je dan nu een nieuwe motorleverancier hierin beperkt dan zijn de huidige leveranciers nooit in te halen. +de normale ontwikkelings achterstand.

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2017 - 16:05
    • 0xygen

      Posts: 1.160

      Budgetplafond, dus als je een goede start hebt en de juiste richting op gaat kan je als achtervolgers minder makkelijk inlopen.

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2017 - 16:22
    • Maar met een budgetplaffond voor motoren komt een Renault of Honda er toch nooit? Zo kunnen ze never nooit op het gewenste niveau komen toch? Een bedgetplaffond voor motoren is een soort van token systeem waar we net vanaf zijn.

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2017 - 23:05
  • gasgeven

    Posts: 64

    Mee eens, maar de vraag is of Mercedes en/of Ferrari dan niet via een omweg toch meer geld aan hun aandrijflijn besteden.

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2017 - 15:03
    • droopz

      Posts: 777

      dan zal het dus ook een boekhoudkundige sport worden. Zal vast wel weer een nieuw publiek aatrekken :)

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2017 - 15:12
    • gaspadaal

      Posts: 68

      vrij simpel toch je schuift de kosten van je klanten teams bij de ontwikkeling en je kan een betere motor ontwikkelen.

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2017 - 15:20
    • Sjees

      Posts: 1.149

      Volgens mij is dit allemaal te herleiden en dus te controleren. De vraag is of Liberty (of de FIA?) een fortuin wil betalen aan voor deze peperdure auditters.

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2017 - 15:49
    • Die kosten gaan ook van het budget af.. ;o)

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2017 - 16:14
    • ringo

      Posts: 3.629

      als ze gewoon twee types motoren ontwikkelen budget middenklasse en top kwaliteit... voor de kleine teams met buedget nemen gewoond e goedkopere de middenklasse wel wat ouder maar toch recenter.. wie top of de top willen hebben betalen er ook voor ... weg die plafond. :)

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2017 - 16:35
    • Tja, dan loopt Red Bull te blaten dat ze geen A-klasse motor krijgen dus dat ze nooit kunnen winnen en krijg je weer hetzelfde idee. Het is ook gewoon logisch dat noch Ferrari, noch Mercedes een concurrent met een groter budget gewoon een motor cadeau gaan doen.

      • + 1
      • 7 jun 2017 - 19:24
  • Mooie sollicitatie.

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2017 - 16:15
  • wie weet gaat vw cosworth opvolgen

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2017 - 16:18
  • Beetje een 'wij van w.c eend' verhaaltje....

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2017 - 17:07
  • Ze hebben allebei gelijk!
    Dus de oplossing is terug naar een V8 met KERS en een budget plafond van 12miljoen
    Morgen iedereen ff tekenen!

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2017 - 17:24
  • Ik dus

    Posts: 950

    Wie of wat houd een team als RB eigenlijk tegen om in plaats van bij Renault de motor te neme dat bij bedrijven als Cosworth te doen ?

    Als die goedkopere maar beter (op de klant) afgestemde motoren kunnen leveren zal dat blijkbaar niet meer kosten dan een motor van Renault, dus ik snap niet waarom ze dan niet al na die ruzie vorige keer met Renault (toen ze ook al dreigde te stoppen) een eigen afgestemde motor laten bouwen
    Bij de klanten met Honda motoren snap ik dat. Honda " geeft" immers geld aan het team om die Honda erin te mogen leggen(als ik dat goed begrepen heb kost ze die motor niets ? ) ...maar dit is bij Renault in de RB of de TR toch niet zo ?

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2017 - 17:48
  • oale

    Posts: 697

    Het is nergens op gebaseerd, alleen mijn gevoel: het volledig ontwikkelen van een eigen krachtbron is niet aan de orde. Maar een onafhankelijke leverancier die je op allerlei wijzen ondersteunt om absoluut topwerk af te leveren, dat kan natuurlijk wel. RBR heeft daarvoor zeker de financiële middelen. Zou dat misschien de reden zijn dat ze bij RBR zich hard maken voor een onafhankelijke motorleverancier?

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2017 - 19:02
  • meister

    Posts: 3.464

    Het zou mooi zijn als RB van de ICE zelf de MGU's en de turbo's mogen ontwikkelen.
    Het blok is redelijk robuust.

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2017 - 19:10
    • De MGU- H en K en de turbo zijn nou juist de drie moeilijkste onderdelen van de power-unit. Daar heeft RB (met alle respect) helemaal geen verstand van en dat doe je (zie Honda) ook niet "zo maar" even.

      • + 0
      • 8 jun 2017 - 06:25
  • cabanna

    Posts: 43

    Ik ben een groot voorstander van wat Red Bull-motorsportadviseur Helmut Marko eerder heeft geroepen, namelijk dat de Formule 1 een onafhankelijke motorleverancier nodig heeft. Maar ze hebben ook een onafhankelijke motorleverancier nodig die aan de wensen van Red Bull Racing kan voldoen.

    alleen al deze zin spreekt hij zichzelf tegen.
    We willen een onafhankelijke motorleverancier, maar hij moet wel aan de eisen van Red Bull voldoen, met andere woorden iedereen dezelfde, maar wij wel de beste motor.

    Elk team is hetzelfde, als ze winnen hoor je ze niet, maar als ze de bal zelf misslaan, wat ze al toegegeven hebben met hun design van auto, dan slaan ze wilt om hun heen en zijn alle andere de schuldige.

    Vind Red Bull een echt vervelend team te worden.
    De kleinere teams zagen zo hard niet, zij proberen er het beste van de maken en gaan vooruit!

    • + 0
    • 8 jun 2017 - 09:43
  • Ik ben bang dat budgetplafonds er alleen maar voor zorgen dat fabrieksteams hun interesse in F1 gaan verliezen. Snap best dat een (voormalig) Crosworth man zoiets roept; altijd leuk die extra publiciteit...

    • + 0
    • 8 jun 2017 - 10:50
  • DJJeffHax

    Posts: 685

    Nog even wachten dan kunnen ze de Mercedes motoren gaan gebruiken. Mercedes schijnt toch hun fabrieksteam uit de F1 tr trekken na 2018.

    • + 0
    • 8 jun 2017 - 12:00

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