Honda mede dankzij Ilmor aan de beterende hand

  • Gepubliceerd op 23 aug 2017 11:52
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Voorzichtigheid is geboden, maar Honda lijkt de weg naar boven ingeslagen te hebben. Dat gevoel overheerst in elk geval bij de Japanse autofabrikant. De nieuwste specificatie van de krachtbron heeft duidelijk minder last van betrouwbaarheidsproblemen en betekende een stap vooruit qua performance. Het lijkt erop dat Honda eindelijk een stijgende lijn te pakken heeft.

De dubbele puntenfinish van McLaren in Hongarije was daar het ultieme bewijs voor. Autosport schrijft nu dat Honda voor deze positieve ontwikkeling de hulp heeft gehad van het in motoren gespecialiseerde Ilmor. De Japanse autofabrikant doet sinds begin dit jaar een beroep op consultants van buitenaf en het bedrijf van Mario Illien heeft mede aan de wieg gestaan van de vooruitgang van de aandrijflijn van Honda.

Dat de motorenpartner aan de beterende hand is, heeft bij McLaren voor een dilemma gezorgd. De Britse renstal was begin deze zomer nog vrij zeker dat het een breuk met Honda wilde forceren, maar nu de autofabrikant de zaakjes langzaam maar zeker op de rit krijgt is de twijfel in Woking toegeslagen. McLaren heeft Renault als enige alternatief, maar het Franse merk zou niet aan meer dan drie teams motoren willen leveren.

Met het eigen fabrieksteam en de twee Red Bull-teams is Renault al voorzien. Er bestaat echter nog een kans dat Scuderia Toro Rosso overstapt naar Honda en zo ruimte maakt voor McLaren. Eerder circuleerden berichten dat de onderhandelingen tussen Toro Rosso en Honda waren stukgelopen, maar de gesprekken zouden toch weer zijn hervat. Saillant detail; komende vrijdag zitten McLaren, Toro Rosso en Honda samen in de persconferentie.

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  • 23 aug 2017 - 12:54

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  • Warlord

    Posts: 2.153

    Honda heeft nu eindelijk hulp van buitenaf? Hallelujah. Mclaren kan niet anders dan verder gaan met Honda, PUNT. Renault is niet goed genoeg en heeft toch de handen al vol aan zichzelf en RBR. Mercedes en Ferrari gaan nooit leveren aan Mclaren tenzij Honda de F1 weer vaarwel zwaait.

    • + 0
    • 23 aug 2017 - 12:00
    • Kenju

      Posts: 2.629

      Ze gebruikten altijd al externe consultants. Door de hele motor-geschiedenis heen al meermaals, incl. met Ilmore.

      • + 0
      • 23 aug 2017 - 12:46
  • MightyMax

    Posts: 838

    Het blijft ook schandalig dat ze bij Renault na korte tijd al bedankt hebben voor de diensten van Ilmor, omdat die omhooggevallen Fransen dachten het zelf wel te kunnen.

    • + 3
    • 23 aug 2017 - 12:02
    • Mafkees

      Posts: 240

      Ja hoor, daar zijn goed toe in staat.

      • + 0
      • 23 aug 2017 - 12:38
    • Kenju

      Posts: 2.629

      Ilmore heeft misschien niet met Renault gewerkt, maar Illien wel. Verder is het niet zo dat ze bij Renault niets kunnen. Het is vaak gewoon een proces. Teams willen dit vaak niet snappen en drukken vervolgens externe partijen door. Het is maar de vraag of dit ook een positief effect heeft, of dat ze uiteindelijk zonder hulp net zo ver waren gekomen.

      Het gelul rondom Honda ook. Ze besloten 2,5 jaar geleden samen met McLaren tot het zero-size concept. Hier zaten ze vervolgens twee jaar aan vast. Dit jaar konden ze pas veranderen, maar rijden ze dus wel voor het eerst met een motor die ze gedurende vorig jaar ontworpen hebben, terwijl ze toen ook dat zero-size concept moesten doorontwikkelen.

      Als mensen logisch nadenken, hadden ze geweten dat die nieuwe Honda volgens traditioneel concept gedurende het jaar vanzelf beter zou worden. Dus of Ilmore daar nu voor nodig was, blijft maar de vraag. Maar McLaren heeft het er waarschijnlijk doorheen gedrukt. Samenwerkingen tussen Honda en anderen, waaronder Illmore, begonnen gewoon vooraf als ingestelde organisatie naar een bepaald doel, dus dat waren geen vergelijkbare situaties.

      • + 3
      • 23 aug 2017 - 12:50
    • robertos

      Posts: 558

      hoho kenju, dat is het halve verhaal.
      Honda is al 2 jaar geleden begonnen met het ontwerpen van de nieuwe motor en was toen al op de hoogte van hun probleem om een 1 cylinder concept te transformeren naar een 6 cylinder werkende motor.
      En ondanks dat ze daar de vorige keer helemaal fout gingen hebben ze het weer onderschat en gebeurde het nog een keer.
      en ja het size zero concept kwam er mede door mclaren maar niet meer dan mede. Honda koos er wel degelijk ook zelf voor om het anders te willen.
      Ik heb groot respect voor honda als motoren bouwer maar niet voor hun f1 project.

      • + 0
      • 24 aug 2017 - 09:16
    • Kenju

      Posts: 2.629

      @Robertos: Het probleem met de mono-cilinder is puur de vibratie die bij de 6-cilinder opeens een probleem was. Dat was geen factor bij de zero-size motor. Die was gewoon niet krachtig genoeg als het om de MGU-H waar tussen de cilinders te weinig ruimte voor was.

      • + 0
      • 25 aug 2017 - 00:04
  • Cicero

    Posts: 1.281

    Ik zei het pas geleden. Kenners zeiden dat er wel meer specialisten zijn.. Ik had dus gewoon gelijk

    • + 1
    • 23 aug 2017 - 12:10
    • Proficiat...

      • + 3
      • 23 aug 2017 - 12:37
    • Wil je een plakplaatje voor in je poeziealbum?

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      • 23 aug 2017 - 12:54
  • d@nny

    Posts: 3.226

    Gelukkig heeft Renault de hulp van Illien niet meer nodig.....

    Ik zou als RB zijnde op twee paarden gokken, RBR blijft bij Renault voor 2018 en STR gaat naar Honda. Kun je gedurende 2018 kijken wat de beste mogelijkheid is om de laatste paar jaar onder deze motorformule te racen.

    • + 0
    • 23 aug 2017 - 12:33
  • Politik

    Posts: 8.359

    Overstappen naar Renault is van hetzelfde laken en pak; dat haalt niks uit.
    McLaren moet alleen overstappen als ze een Mercedes motor kunnen krijgen, anders niet.

    Desondanks ben ik nog enigszins sceptisch over de progressie van Honda. Ik wil ze eerst eens meerdere races op rij betrouwbaar zien. Daarnaast komen ze nog behoorlijk vermogen tekort, ik ben benieuwd welke stappen ze daarin nog kunnen zetten dit jaar.

    • + 0
    • 23 aug 2017 - 12:48
  • Kenju

    Posts: 2.629

    Voor alle duidelijkheid, Autosport (en ook anderen) melden dat er bronnen zijn die melden dat... Honda heeft niets bevestigd, behalve dat ze niet ontkennen dat er een mogelijkheid is van een samenwerking met externe partijen.

    • + 1
    • 23 aug 2017 - 13:00
  • Dit is goed nieuws voor RBR!

    Als de Hondamotor bij de Renaultmotor in de buurt komt zullen ze bij Renault toch ook wel een tandje bij moeten gaan zetten.

    • + 1
    • 23 aug 2017 - 13:07
    • Waarom? Renault zelf gaat de top 3 dit jaar toch niet halen.

      • + 0
      • 23 aug 2017 - 13:30
    • Klopt BENNO. Renault wil vast niet door McLaren ingehaald worden.
      Sterker nog, ze willen zelfs het 4e team worden dit jaar, dus alle
      zeilen bijzetten.

      • + 1
      • 23 aug 2017 - 13:42
    • @AlonsoFan, wat Pietje Bell ook zegt. Daarbij heb ik het over de PU. Ik geloof niet dat Renault het prettig vindt wanneer Honda een sterkere PU aflevert dan zijzelf leveren.

      • + 0
      • 23 aug 2017 - 14:44
    • Waarom denken "veel" mensen dat ze bij Renault aan het klaverjassen zjjn in de fabriek?

      • + 0
      • 23 aug 2017 - 17:19
  • R.E.V

    Posts: 267

    Toro Rosso zou gewoon met die Honda-motor moeten gaan rijden in 2018, als benchmark vergelijking t.o.v. de RBR-TAG/Renault.
    Jammer dat ze er (tot op heden) niet uit zijn gekomen met Honda, een hernieuwde sit-down van STR met de Japanners zou fijn zijn

    • + 0
    • 23 aug 2017 - 14:10
  • Numnum

    Posts: 4.863

    T t t te laat...

    • + 0
    • 23 aug 2017 - 23:25

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