Hamilton pleit voor speciale banden voor Mexico 2018

  • Gepubliceerd op 03 nov 2017 11:52
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Bandenleverancier Pirelli zou speciaal voor de Mexicaanse Grand Prix van volgend jaar een aparte compound moeten ontwikkelen. Anders hoeven de coureurs ook in 2018 slechts één pitstop te maken om de finish te halen. Die boodschap draagt wereldkampioen Lewis Hamilton uit.

Het Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez te Mexico City is sowieso erg lief voor het rubber. Pirelli had afgelopen weekend de drie zachtste compounds uit het assortiment bij zich, maar ook daarop was een twee-stopper niet nodig. Door de virtuele safety car maakten sommige rijders wel twee stops.

Hamilton: "Het is saai dat we maar één pitstop hoeven te maken, dus ik hoop dat ze veranderingen zullen doorvoeren. We hebben speciale banden voor Mexico nodig zodat we meer dan één stop moeten maken." Pirelli zou al bezig zijn met de ontwikkeling van een megazachte compound.

walteij

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En de hyper, supra, maxi, uber en ultimate.....

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  • En de volgende is een Giga en daarna volgt de Tera

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 12:00
    • walteij

      Posts: 1.987

      En de hyper, supra, maxi, uber en ultimate.....

      • + 2
      • 3 nov 2017 - 13:05
  • Esdamion

    Posts: 889

    Dat geldt voor alle circuits in feite...

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 12:01
    • NicoS

      Posts: 16.770

      Vind ik ook, qua strategie kun je weinig verrassende dingen doen, het is allemaal wat te voorspelbaar geworden.

      • + 0
      • 3 nov 2017 - 12:27
  • Caramba

    Posts: 5.786

    Ik zou juist 2 GP's per jaar zien waarbij helemaal niet gewisseld mag worden, dus niks virtuele posities, gewoon what you see is what you get. Puur voor het contrast.

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 12:10
    • NicoS

      Posts: 16.770

      Als je van treintje rijden houd, dan is dat een goed idee.

      • + 0
      • 3 nov 2017 - 12:28
    • Kuch kuch 2005

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      • 3 nov 2017 - 13:07
    • Caramba

      Posts: 5.786

      Als je van undercuts houdt in plaats van een aanval plaatsen op de baan, is het geen goed idee.

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      • 3 nov 2017 - 14:27
    • Dat is ook waar maar heb liever dat door een pitstop een gevecht komt dan geen pitstop en treintje rijden wordt.

      • + 0
      • 3 nov 2017 - 14:32
    • Caramba

      Posts: 5.786

      Het kan twee kanten op werken. Daarom vind ik twee gp's ook genoeg. Maar het lijkt me interessant om te zien hoe dit uitpakt.
      Een aaneengesloten race is ook vermoeiender. Daarom verwacht ik dat oudere rijders aan het eind van de race eerder hun focus verliezen.

      • + 0
      • 3 nov 2017 - 18:41
  • manuel

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    Ik geloof dat er zowiezo al nieuwe banden ontwikkeld worden die de verschillen onderling al groter maken. Dus bandenstrategie word belangrijker. Daar is echt geen aparte band voor Mexico voor nodig. Hamilton geeft gewoon aan wat ik eerder ook al zei. Dat RBR veel beter was om de banden optimaal te laten werken. Dit probleem heeft MB al veel vaker gehad dit jaar.

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    • 3 nov 2017 - 12:10
  • joli

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    Ik denk dat hij een band wil met metalen zijkanten, dan kan vettel zijn banden volgend jaar niet meer kapot rijden :)

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 12:10
    • Pipo

      Posts: 4.742

      Kevlar reinforcemend.

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      • 3 nov 2017 - 12:36
  • De race is 6 dagen geleden gereden waarbij HAM de wereldtitel pakte en nu krijgen we: wie wordt volgend jaar wereld kampioen, andere bandencampount bla bla bla....

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 12:12
  • Mischien is de Durex supersoft een goede optie?

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    • 3 nov 2017 - 12:13
    • IRBoNZi

      Posts: 159

      Durex en soft... hmmm

      • + 0
      • 3 nov 2017 - 13:05
    • iets voor Doornbos zijn bedrijfje?

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      • 3 nov 2017 - 13:32
  • De oplossing is heel simpel. Pirelli moet elke compound 25% zachter maken. Dat lost alles op. Geen extra compounds nodig, meer pitstops, meer grip en meer onvoorspelbaarheid.

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 12:24
    • Pipo

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      Is er iemand geweest die dit jaar de hard compount in de race heeft gebruikt? Inderdaad alle compounts in ieder geval zachter maken en misschien iets van een degradatie laag inbouwen.
      Een ultra soft zou toch niet meer dan 15 ronden moeten meegaan. Dit hadden ze voorgaande jaren ook, alleen werd toen (ook hier op het forum) vaak gezegd dat Pirelli ech K*t banden leverden...ze konden er helemaal niks van bij Pirelli.

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      • 3 nov 2017 - 12:46
  • Jello

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    Ik stel voor: 3 compounds, zacht, medium en hard, die exacte compounds worden naar elke race meegenomen, soms krijg je dan een 1 stopper, soms misschien wel een 3 stopper, afhankelijk van ieder circuit. Hoe zacht je de banden ook maakt, monaco blijft een 1 stopper. En wat grotere verschillen tussen de compounds, dat levert wat meer diversiteit op, dit jaar zien we dat men op ultra softs even lang doorrijdt als op supersofts.

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    • 3 nov 2017 - 12:24
    • walteij

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      Onafhankelijk van hoe de compounds heten, is dit wel de kern van het probleem.
      De Ultrasofts waar in Mexico mee werd gereden, hielden het 30+ ronden vol (inclusief Q2). Als de race dan 72 rondjes is, weet je dus ook dat de supersofts de race makkelijk kunnen uitrijden.

      Volgens mij deed RB het bijvoorbeeld in de USA beter op de supersofts dan op de ultrasofts.

      Er is dus niet alleen onvoldoende verschil in degradatie van de banden, maar ook in de snelheid/grip. Daar moet Pirelli eens goed mee aan de slag gaan.
      De zachtste band moet onder dezelfde omstandigheden altijd sneller gaan dan de hardste band, maar ook beduidend sneller verslijten.

      De banden zijn nu té voorspelbaar geworden, waardoor er maar relatief weinig gerekend hoeft te worden.

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      • 3 nov 2017 - 13:10
  • Sinds 2011 is het de beunhazen bij Pirelli nog steeds niet gelukt om een F1 waardig product af te leveren. Maar de FIA verlengt toch gewoon het contract. Ongelooflijk dat de F1 nog steeds op de troep van Pirelli moet rijden. Na 7 jaar nog steeds geen regenbanden die fatsoenlijk werken of droog weer banden die grip leveren en gestaagd slijten.

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    • 3 nov 2017 - 13:14
    • Over de inters en de wets heb je gelijk. De droogweerbanden zijn nu zo omdat men (coureurs) dat zo wilde. Eerst sleten ze te hard.... volgend jaar(nu dus) moeten er banden ontwikkeld worden waar je flink mee kunt stampen zonder dat ze snel slijten. Is goed zegt Pirelli, so be it..... en voila, daar zijn ze....

      • + 0
      • 3 nov 2017 - 13:45
  • Insure

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    Pirelli volgt gewoon de wens die er door een specifiek soort fans is door gedramd. Die fans wilde perse dat coureurs weer "voluit" konden gaan. Dus dan krijg je hardere banden. Minder pitstops. Minder diversiteit in strategie.

    Banden en motoren sparen in de F1 gebeurt al decennia en zal nooit verdwijnen. Nu is er een heel nieuw banden regelement door gedramd en is een deel van de spanning van vorig jaar weg genomen.

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 13:19
    • Was eerder de wens van de coureurs, die klaagden er het meeste over. (corect me if i am wrong)

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      • 3 nov 2017 - 13:47
    • Ik snap uberhaupt niet waarom je die kaugom banden in de F1 wil? Het is nu niet alsof ze de afgelopen jaren voor meer spanning hebben gezorgd. Alleen begin 2012 en 2013 waren wat leuker, maar als één team de magische sprong naar de banden gevonden had, was het seizoen ook weer voorbij (zie 2013). Bovendien zorgde het voor geen enkele kans om een andere rijder achter je te houden, want met oudere banden was je sowieso gezien. Dit jaar is dat al in veel mindere mate zo. We zien weer echte duels ipv snelwegvoorbijsteken en dat is een verademing. Dit is Formule 1, zoals ze eigenlijk altijd geweest is.

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      • 3 nov 2017 - 14:22
  • Het is bijna op elk circuit waar de US gebruikt wordt, kan worden, een lachertje dat die banden zo lang meegaan... Beetje dommig om nog een compound toe te voegen .. zorg gewoon dat de huidige banden veel meer onderling verschillen in compound, slijtage en bijbehorende grip... US mag best een super grip hebben maar zorg dat hij binnen 15 rondjes "op" is .. simpel toch... Dan valt er wat te kiezen, en je ook meer verschillende strategieën zal zien ....

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 14:01
  • Beri

    Posts: 6.186

    ik blijf de banden onoverzichtelijk vinden. De benamingen van Hard, medium en zacht is afdoende. En laat Pirelli (in het geheim) bepalen hoe zacht de zachte compound is en hoe hard de hardste. Laat dat per race verschillen zodat de teams zich er echt op moeten aanpassen. Op die manier heb je alsnog de 7123451752341 verschillende compound soorten die Pirelli nu al heeft, maar is het voor de fan simpelweg afdoende om zacht, medium of hard te weten en Pirelli bepaald wat zacht, medium of hard is. Net zoals de oude Goodyear tijd voordat Bridgestone haar intrede deed.

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 14:11
  • Laat de banden staan en wissel de auto's. Is weer eens wat anders ;)

    • + 1
    • 3 nov 2017 - 14:23
  • racer013

    Posts: 366

    Zwitsal Soft Tires.

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 15:08
  • zorba

    Posts: 1.677

    Hoeveel maal is schumacher niet aangekomen zonder groeven in zijn banden ,iedere keer werd een oog dichtgeknepen,zie riepen over de radio run through the marbles na de race wat een bedrog was dat ,ik wil deze formule wel behouden en iedereen verplichten drie stops te doen maar zelf te laten kiezen met wat ze starten en telkenmale een verschillende band moeten steken

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    • 3 nov 2017 - 15:53
  • MadMax2.0

    Posts: 631

    Indirect gelul allemaal...........vorig jaar gingen de banden niet lang genoeg mee men klaagde dat men niet lang genoeg kon pushen op een band. Dit hebben ze aangepast. Nú blijkt dat dat ten kosten van het spektakel gaat omdat er minder verschillende strategieën gekozen worden en krijg je treintje rijden. Dacht ook dat ze gezegd hadden dat volgend jaar de banden weer zachter gingen worden ergens in een bericht 2 maanden geleden.........dus deze bestelling van Lewis kunnen ze annuleren.

    • + 0
    • 3 nov 2017 - 19:06
  • meeuw64

    Posts: 1

    Op zich wel leuk idee; allemaal alleen op ultrasofts of hoe je ze dan ook gaat noemen. Gewoon mega snelle en zachte banden die 15/20 rondjes mee kunnen. Dit laat m.i. de kwaliteit/snelheid van de pitstops en stijl van rijden van de coureur meer bepalend zijn voor het eindresultaat. Dan zul je nog zien dat de topteams zich onderscheidden van de mindere echter zijn er wel meer verwikkelingen gaande in een race dan nu het geval is en de kans op onverwachte wendingen in een race zijn ook groter door bijv. een verstierde pitstop o.i.d.

    En vast goedkoper dan die megadure fratsen op motorengebied maar blijven verzinnen waar alleen de topteams met hun grote budgetten snel op kunnen anticiperen waar de mindere teams alle zeilen moeten bijzetten om dit bij te houden en wat weer ten kostte gaat van bijv. het chassis. Dan ook een simpeler motorconcept ontwikkelen en van mijn part ook weer tanken invoeren, hoe meer actie in de pits hoe leuker. Maar dat is mijn bescheiden mening?

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    • 4 nov 2017 - 11:32
  • LimboF1

    Posts: 6.088

    Toch zou ik het systeem van de DTM wel opteren in de F1. Dat ze het maar eens gaan uitzoeken of het mogelijkheid is om toe te passen. Verder denk ik dat bijtanken onder de race nog altijd de beste optie is om meer pitstops te laten maken, ook voor de strategieën is dit positief. Als je het tijdperk met tanken vergelijkt met het huidigd, dan is het toch duidelijk beter geweest voorheen!

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    • 5 nov 2017 - 11:42

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