Carey stelt Ferrari gerust: "F1 verandert niet in NASCAR"

  • Gepubliceerd op 10 nov 2017 09:28
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Liberty Media heeft absoluut niet de intentie om de Formule 1 te veranderen in een eenheidsklasse zoals bijvoorbeeld de Amerikaanse NASCAR. Die uitspraak heeft Formule 1-baas Chase Carey in de aanloop naar de Braziliaanse Grand Prix gedaan in een poging om Ferrari een beetje gerust te stellen. De Scuderia dreigde na de presentatie van de uitgangspunten voor de nieuwe motorformule om uit de Formule 1 te stappen.

Als de koers die Liberty voor de Formule 1 uitstippelt Ferrari niet bevalt, dan trekt de Italiaanse sportwagenfabrikant zich terug uit de koningsklasse van de autosport, waarschuwde voorzitter Sergio Marchionne. "Ik wil niet aan een soort globale NASCAR meedoen", verklaarde de Italiaan. Carey benadrukte tijdens een conference call over de kwartaalcijfers van de Formule 1 dat Ferrari en de eigenaren van de sport op één lijn zitten.

"In feite verschilt ons standpunt niet gek veel van dat van Ferrari", begint de Amerikaan. "Niets ten nadele van de NASCAR, maar wij hebben ook niet de behoefte om een soort NASCAR te zijn. We willen de auto's niet standaardiseren. We willen geen twintig identieke wagens, met de coureurs als enige verschil. We willen dat de teams de mogelijkheid hebben om unieke bolides te creëren, met unieke motoren en een uniek chassis."

"We willen dat elk team een eigen auto heeft en daarmee competitief kan zijn. Het zal nooit gelijk zijn, er zullen altijd favorieten opstaan, maar wij hebben voor ogen dat alle teams het gevoel hebben dat ze de kans krijgen om mee te doen om de winst. Sporten zijn gebouwd op het onverwachte, dus wij willen een Formule 1 waarin het onverwachte mogelijk is. Je hebt competitie nodig, het onbekende, mooie finishes, geweldige verhalen en drama. Daar willen wij de voorwaarden voor scheppen."

Vroeger jankten de motoren van Ferrari.
Tegenwoordig hoor je helaas alleen de rijders en het management janken.

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  • 10 nov 2017 - 09:36

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  • Volgens mij willen ze door meer gelijke motoren en de strenge regelgeving omtrent de aero en dergelijke wel degelijk standaardiseren.
    In die zin ben ik het dus wel eens met Ferrari.
    Laat auto producenten juist meer vrij in ontwikkeling van auto en aandrijflijn.

    • + 2
    • 10 nov 2017 - 09:33
    • eens, maar dan moeten de klanten teams wel de zelfde performance uit de motoren kunnen halen als de fabrieks teams.
      Die ongelijkheid moet stoppen.

      • + 2
      • 10 nov 2017 - 09:37
    • Kan ik inkomen, maar dan komt daarna weer het probleem dat ze mindere goede aero, minder geld te besteden etc. en zo blijf je aan de gang.
      Wanneer je kijkt naar FI met de Mercedes motor krijgen zo hoogstens een paar races later dezelfde upgrade als het fabrieksteam van Mercedes...maar uiteindelijk wel dezelfde motor.

      • + 0
      • 10 nov 2017 - 09:41
    • Roy

      Posts: 2.172

      Ik vind dat ze gewoon beter moeten kijken naar prijzengeld. Het kan niet waar zijn ; dat het ook zo laat pas wordt uitbetaald. Dat de grote teams bizar veel geld krijgen , en aan de achterkant van de grid ; het een puntje scoren overleven betekende (Sauber/manor toen).

      • + 0
      • 10 nov 2017 - 09:54
    • Caramba

      Posts: 5.786

      Met die halo verandert F1 zichzelf al in Nascar.

      • + 0
      • 10 nov 2017 - 10:24
    • ze krijgen wel de zelfde motor maar niet dezelfde mogelijkheden kwa motormanagment instellingen.
      Ik geloof namelijk nooit dat de klantenteams ook over de kwalificatie boost beschikken. Kijk naar het verhaal van Grosjean dat hij met zijn lotus op het podium kwam doordat er van uit mercedes ineens een andere motor modus werd vrij gegeven.
      Maar dat ze deze naderhand nooit meer konden inschakelen.

      • + 1
      • 10 nov 2017 - 10:34
    • Nascar ziet er beter uit dan een f1 met Halo @Caramba

      • + 0
      • 10 nov 2017 - 10:38
    • Caramba

      Posts: 5.786

      Persoonlijk interesseert het me geen reet of er een Renault-motor of een Toyota-motor in de Ferrari ligt. Ik wil spannende races zien - voor weinig. Punt.
      Wat dat betreft heeft 'methode Ferrari' een dubieuze reputatie, al moet methode Liberty zich nog bewijzen.
      Voorts, zolang de methode Ferrari wordt aangehouden lijkt het me beter het woord sport zo veel mogelijk te vervangen door het woord circus. Ieder die me iets anders probeert wijs te maken - en dat gebeurt voortdurend - lach ik midden in zijn gezicht uit.

      • + 2
      • 10 nov 2017 - 10:46
    • @DutchF1 , het is ook de bedoeling dat de motoren goedkoper gaan worden voor de klantenteams (10 miljoen) zodat er meer ruimte overblijft voor die teams om zich te kunnen ontwikkelen tijdens het seizoen. Ook schep je dan gelijk de mogelijkheid voor die teams om betere coureurs aan te trekken, aangezien zij eerder voor een coureur kunnen kiezen die minder sponsorgeld meeneemt dan een ander.

      • + 0
      • 10 nov 2017 - 11:38
  • Vroeger jankten de motoren van Ferrari.
    Tegenwoordig hoor je helaas alleen de rijders en het management janken.

    • + 4
    • 10 nov 2017 - 09:36
  • John6

    Posts: 8.170

    Eerlijk zullen we alles delen dat gaat het nooit worden, als Ferrari te weinig of er zijn te gekke regels naar hun zin, dan dreigen ze met eruit gaan, Mercedes heeft ook zo zijn eisen. Ferrari en Mercedes leveren ook de meeste motoren, hoe gaan ze hier uitkomen is de vraag.

    • + 0
    • 10 nov 2017 - 10:12
    • Mojito

      Posts: 4.843

      Dat is precies het probleem.

      Mercedes en Ferrari gebruiken hun machtspositie door eisen te stellen waardoor de beleidsbepalers als het ware gechanteerd worden.

      • + 1
      • 10 nov 2017 - 10:16
    • mario

      Posts: 11.603

      Renault levert evenveel motoren als Mercedes en Ferrari....

      • + 0
      • 10 nov 2017 - 14:43
  • Mojito

    Posts: 4.843

    Ik snap wat Carey bedoelt.

    Als je naar het verleden kijkt hadden kleinere en priveteams meer kans op onverwachte en verrassende dagsuccesen dan vandaag de dag.

    Een team als Jordan zou in het huidige F1 klimaat niet eens meer bestaanbaar kunnen overleven, laat staan succesjes boeken.

    Voormalig topteams als Williams en McLaren welke in zekere zin ook privateers zijn kunnen vandaag de dag al vrijwel niet succesvol meer zijn omdat ze te afhankelijk van de motorfabrikanten zijn. Ja, wellicht zal McLaren met Renault volgend jaar weer wat potjes kunnen breken, maar zullen ze onderaan de streep toch tegen exact hetzelfde probleem aan gaan lopen als RBR als Renault klant al jaren doet.

    Financieel overleven Williams en McLaren nog wel omdat ze zo groot zijn en de naam hebben, maar ook nog maar net: want kan Williams zonder de Stroll inkomsten ook nog blijven bestaan?

    Wellicht ook nog net, maar feit is wel dat een team met zo'n naam en geschiedenis te afhankelijk van een suukeroom als Stroll geworden is.

    Een volledige standaardisering is kortweg niet goed, en ook niet echt nodig denk ik. Wel moeten de ongelijkheid in competitie en kosten aangepakt worden zodat kleinere teams een beter bestaansrecht krijgen.

    • + 1
    • 10 nov 2017 - 10:12
  • 919

    Posts: 2.372

    Waarschijnlijk een verboden woord gebruikt, mijn reactie komt niet door.

    "Actually I don't think we have a differing view to Ferrari," Carey said. "I'm not trying to be derogatory to NASCAR, but we don't plan to be NASCAR either."

    Met de vertaling in het artikel is de intonatie verloren gegaan.
    Carey heeft zijn woorden zorgvuldig uitgekozen om het statement van Ferrari niet alleen te pareren, maar ook direct af te doen als minderwaardig.

    De laatste zin laat zich vertalen in:
    Ik probeer niet neerbuigend te doen over NASCAR, maar wij zijn niet van plan om NASCAR te worden.

    Hij is duidelijk niet gediend van de wijze waarop Ferrari haar vergelijking trekt met NASCAR en daar neerbuigend over doet.

    Het originele artikel bevat nog meer interessante uitspraken, maar dat moet iedereen zelf maar even opzoeken.

    • + 0
    • 10 nov 2017 - 10:17
  • Ik snap wel dat Ferrari zwaar tegengas geeft, ze hebben hoogst waarschijnlijk MB ook aan hun zijde, dat moet LM toch wakker hebben geschud.
    Als we eenmaal de weg inslaan van gestandaardiseerde onderdelen kruipt F1 langzaam in de richting van een spec serie en dat lijkt me onwenselijk.

    • + 0
    • 10 nov 2017 - 10:19
    • Maar hoe zie jij het voor je Mr Monza? Ik begrijp de standpunten van FER/MB maar al te goed. Buiten dat ik Ferrari fan ben, zie ik liever een competitieve f1, liefst meerdere motorleveranciers en dat er meer kansen liggen voor privateers om ook weer succesvol te zijn. Bovendien ben ik helemaal geen fan van de huidige krachtbronnen.

      • + 1
      • 10 nov 2017 - 10:42
    • 919

      Posts: 2.372

      Absoluut te begrijpen dat er zwaar tegengas gegeven wordt, Renault zal gerust ook dezelfde mening toebedeeld zijn en ze zullen met man en macht voor hun verworvenheden strijden. Ik vraag me echter af wie wie nou wakker schudt? LM deinst naar nu blijkt niet terug om tegen historische heilige huisjes te schoppen en de grondvesten van formule 1 te doen schudden. De aloude vraag waar formule 1 om zou moet draaien maken ze hiermee weer actueler dan ooit. De roep om de huidige status quo te doorbreken wordt steeds groter en LM zou best wel eens een weg in kunnen slaan die niet populair zal zijn bij een deel van de fans die hechten aan de oude waarden van de Formule 1.
      Vooralsnog denk ik dat LM niet 8 miljard investeert om naar de pijpen van de fabrikanten te dansen, ik ben benieuwd hoe de ontwikkelingen verder gaan verlopen, het is in ieder geval een behoorlijk groot machtspel wat gespeeld wordt door alle partijen waarbij ik nog maar moet zien welke kanten de kwartjes op gaan vallen.

      • + 0
      • 10 nov 2017 - 13:14
    • @919,
      Goed punt, maar ik denk ook niet dat LM 8 miljard investeert om Ferrari en MB te zien vertrekken, dat zou dramatisch zijn voor de marktwaarde van F1.

      • + 0
      • 10 nov 2017 - 13:50
    • 919

      Posts: 2.372

      Eens Mr.Monza, het lijkt bijna ondenkbaar en je zal het maar op je geweten hebben als LM zijnde. Ik zie het ook echt niet zo 1,2,3 gebeuren. Maar er gebeuren wel gekkere dingen tegenwoordig.
      Maar net zoals elk gezond bedrijf zal je om de zoveel jaar de balans op moeten maken, wat is ons bestaansrecht, waar staan we voor? Is de ingeslagen de juiste? Wat zou onze visie voor de toekomst moeten zijn?
      Vragen die beantwoord moeten worden om het geheel gezond te houden.

      Naar mijn idee doet LM juist dat, terwijl de fabrikanten eigenlijk alleen maar bezig zijn met korte termijnvisie die geënt is op het behouden van de status quo.
      Op de lange termijn is, als je naar toekomstige waarde en winstperspectief kijkt, de F1 niet gebaat bij het doorgaan op dezelfde weg die men al jaren volgt en het is dus goed dat de fundamentele vragen gesteld en beantwoord worden.

      • + 0
      • 10 nov 2017 - 14:26
    • @919,
      Geen speld tussen te krijgen, meer dan uitstekend verwoord.
      LM bekijkt het huidige format met kritische ogen en dat is niet meer dan juist.

      • + 0
      • 10 nov 2017 - 19:54
  • manuel

    Posts: 3.119

    Off topic: mooie detail beelden van de Ferrari.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCiWIJ2UZ6w

    • + 0
    • 10 nov 2017 - 10:34
  • Het begint met kostenreductie. Dat verlaagt de drempel om in de F1 te stappen. Zolang het voor de meeste fabrikanten onbetaalbaar is om mee te doen blijft de F1 kwetsbaar.

    • + 1
    • 10 nov 2017 - 10:58
    • Naast de veel te hoge kosten ook nog eens het risico op imagoschade, Honda heeft wat dat aangaat het perfecte voorbeeld gegeven.

      • + 1
      • 10 nov 2017 - 11:00
  • prinsmp

    Posts: 87

    Wellicht moet de f1 een eigen motor gaan ontwikkelen met een onafhankelijke fabrikant, die elke Klantenteam uiteindelijk kan nemen indien nodig. Kunnen ze zelf de kosten monitoren en is elk team( en F1) verzekerd van een motor in de toekomst. Ik zie alle fabrikanten toch uitstappen in de toekomst (2025+) daar Fe enige relevante format wordt.

    Dan maar een leuke klasse (v8) met private teams, waar chassis en coureur het verschil maken.

    • + 0
    • 10 nov 2017 - 11:33
  • Het gebruik van standaard onderdelen zie je in steeds meer toonaangevende raceklasses, de Moto GP en Superbikes zijn er ook al mee bezig. Zolang er voor de teams en fabrikanten nog genoeg vrijheid overblijft om zelf te ontwikkelen denk ik dat het ook een goede manier is om het veld wat dichter bij elkaar te laten komen, en een hoop geld te besparen.

    • + 1
    • 10 nov 2017 - 12:39
  • Proberen te winnen door allerhande voordelen tov je tegenstanders is gewoon niet fair!
    Ik ben iets meer dan een jaar geleden door Brabantia aangeworven om het bedrijf te verjongen en een andere gedachtegang te introduceren. Dat resulteerde in wegvloeien van krachten die bleven hangen in het oude stramien want de koers die we hadden ingeslaan beviel hun niet. We maken nu wel 1.2 miljoen euro meer winst per maand terwijl we het volgens de 'oude garde' niet zouden redden zonder hun. Ik denk dat de f1 het perfect redt zonder Ferrari. Toen de oude smaakmakers wegvielen (Tyrrell, Brabham, Colin Chapman, ...) bleef de sport behoorlijk overeind, ik zie niet in waarom dat nu niet het geval zou zijn.

    • + 0
    • 10 nov 2017 - 16:31

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