Jean Todt: "Ferrari en Mercedes zijn te betrouwbaar"

  • Gepubliceerd op 15 dec 2017 07:50
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  • Door: Rik Klein Entink

Jean Todt, net opnieuw herkozen als voorzitter van de internationale autosportbond FIA, is van mening dat de betrouwbaarheid van de wagens bij de topteams veel te hoog is. Het zou niet goed voor de Formule 1 zijn volgens de Fransman.

Te betrouwbaar

Todt zegt over Lewis Hamilton tegen Auto Bild: "Hij maakte geen enkele fout, maar hij had ook een uitermate goede wagen in termen van prestaties en betrouwbaarheid. Lewis scoorde in alle 20 Grand Prix punten: de wagens zijn veel te betrouwbaar."

De Fransman is van mening dat de sport niet gebaat is bij deze situatie. "Ik blijf erbij: Ferrari en Mercedes waren veel te betrouwbaar. Dat kost geld: tests, simulator, het is allemaal gewoon te veel. Dat hebben we allemaal niet nodig voor een goede sport, sterker nog: het tegenovergestelde", aldus Todt. 

Gesprekken nog gaande

Maar die kosten moeten met de nieuwe motorreglementen flink beteugeld worden, maar Mercedes en Ferrari zijn niet tevreden over de nieuwe regels en Ferrari heeft meer dan eens laten weten de Formule 1 te zullen verlaten als het ze niet bevalt. Todt: "De huidige motoren zijn te duur, te gecompliceerd en te stil. Momenteel voeren wij gesprekken met fabrikanten over een evolutie van de huidige motoren. Dat proces is nog volop gaande."

Uh jokertje, met je beslissing om maar 3 motoren te gebruiken volgend jaar worden ze nog betrouwbaarder. Moeten er nog meer bakken geld tegenaan om die betrouwbaarheid te bewerkstelligen. Je maakt het dus duurder en betrouwbaarder wat zal uitmonden in een zuinigheidsrace. Besparen met alles is he... [Lees verder]

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  • Frank-84

    Posts: 666

    Zucht...

    • + 1
    • 15 dec 2017 - 08:09
    • Yep. Dan is het inderdaad slim naar 3 PU's per jaar te gaan, dan schroeven ze die dingen zeker in race trim nog verder terug omdat het nog langer heel moet blijven.
      Of je krijgt VT te zien waar je geen reet aan hebt omdat de ze kris kras allemaal met oude troep rijden die normaal gezien al richting scrapyard was gegaan.
      De beste manier om betrouwbaarheid een hak te zetten doe je zo Jean;
      1. weg met de fuel flow restrictor, turbodruk begrenzing en dus de toerenlimiet.
      2. schaf de maximale 105 kilo peut af en kleinere tanks van max 70 kilo en dus zeker 1 verplichte tankstop.
      3. straf het team voor onbetrouwbaarheid, niet de coureur.

      • + 1
      • 15 dec 2017 - 10:00
    • ringo

      Posts: 3.629

      als mercedes paar slagen terug moeten met terug schroeven, word voor renault 10 of 20 slagen om betrouwbaar te worden, is niet evident :) dan zijn ze nog te snel die mercedes.. enigste ferrari is 50/50 op betrouwbaarheid is mercedes toch wel heer en meester zelfs boven ferrari

      • + 0
      • 15 dec 2017 - 10:13
    • Stitch

      Posts: 6.063

      Look whose talking ... Dit is de man die deze motoren wilde, en de man die de betrouwbaarheid van de motoren wilde verbeteren (inderdaad @BEEMERDUDE de man die 3 PU's per seizoen voor realistisch houd). Nu heeft hij duidelijk opdracht gekregen uit een ander vaatje te tappen en doet net alsof het iemand anders is, die dit alles heeft bedacht. Ja, dit is ook de man ide ons met de halo heeft opgescheept. Ben benieuwd wat hij daarover gaat zeggen op het moment dat die niet blijkt te voldoen.

      • + 3
      • 15 dec 2017 - 10:55
    • Hein

      Posts: 92

      Er is veel te veel geregeld.
      Neem de meest attractieve racemotor, een atmosferische v8/10/12 van max ca 2500 cc (kleine motor dwingt tot meer risico's) zonder al die elektrische troep.
      Dit type motor geeft al meer gelijkheid in het veld.
      Verbiedt het toepassen van alle exotische peperdure materialen. Deze geven snelheid (wel gewenst) maar vooral betrouwbaarheid.
      Laat verder alles vrij. Dan kunnen teams zelf kiezen voor snelheid of betrouwbaarheid. Kies je voor snelheid, dan kun je uitvallen; kies je voor betrouwbaarheid dan kun je niet winnen. Gedurende het seizoen zullen er accentverschillen komen, afhankelijk van de stand, dit geeft weer meer variatie.
      Herintroduceer de tankstops, dit geeft meer tactische mogelijlheden.

      • + 2
      • 15 dec 2017 - 11:57
    • Caramba

      Posts: 5.786

      Langzamerhand de grootste ramp voor F1 is toch wel de herverkiezing van Todt.

      • + 3
      • 15 dec 2017 - 12:03
    • Budget...

      • + 1
      • 15 dec 2017 - 14:39
  • Jean Todt: “Ferrari en Mercedes zijn te betrouwbaar.”

    Dat kan alleen maar over het materiaal gaan (auto en motor). ;)

    • + 2
    • 15 dec 2017 - 08:12
    • Haha Larry, hoe zou hij dan over de overige teams denken..

      • + 1
      • 15 dec 2017 - 08:30
    • Wat auto’s en motoren betreft waarschijnlijk het tegenovergestelde.

      Wat teamleidingen betreft hetzelfde. Het is allemaal ikke, ikke, ikke en de rest kan stikken. De ene is wel wat betrouwbaarder dan de andere maar wou het ens niet over die Wolff hebben...

      • + 0
      • 15 dec 2017 - 08:43
  • Uh jokertje, met je beslissing om maar 3 motoren te gebruiken volgend jaar worden ze nog betrouwbaarder. Moeten er nog meer bakken geld tegenaan om die betrouwbaarheid te bewerkstelligen. Je maakt het dus duurder en betrouwbaarder wat zal uitmonden in een zuinigheidsrace. Besparen met alles is het motto in 2018.
    Je maakt de klasse kapot met je onnozele regels, en gaat nu blaten in de pers dat het anders moet.

    • + 3
    • 15 dec 2017 - 08:14
  • PaulSzu

    Posts: 161

    Gek hè... als je verwacht dat motoren komend seizoen 7 (!) weekenden moeten meegaan...

    De jaren '90 waren mooi (ik kijk vanaf 1994, dus kan niet oordelen over eerdere jaren); stuk minder voorspelbaar, coureurs die er met regelmaat vanaf spinden/crashten, onbetrouwbare wagens en daardoor kansen voor iedereen op de grid op punten (toen nog maar de top 6). Nu is het voor veel teams moeilijk om uberhaupt de top 10 te halen.

    • + 2
    • 15 dec 2017 - 08:17
  • Polleken

    Posts: 936

    Wat wil hij nou eigenlijk??

    • + 1
    • 15 dec 2017 - 08:22
    • ap

      Posts: 953

      Dat weet die zelf ook niet! Volgens mij willen ze volgend jaar hoop straffen! Word het FIA SM! En pitspoezen in het leer met zweepjes!

      • + 0
      • 15 dec 2017 - 09:31
  • Todt is zelf voor een groot deel debet aan deze situatie dus wat hij nou weer l*lt....
    Deze krachtbronnen speelde Mercedes in de kaart, hun marge op de rest is voldoende om het materiaal niet voluit te belasten, betrouwbaarheid is daardoor vergelijkbaar met een straatauto...
    En dan nog gebruik van motoren aan banden, volgend seizoen de regels zelfs nog extra aangescherpt, dat systeem met gridstraffen, ga zo maar door...
    Langzaam aan dringt het besef door dat de sport toch wel rete-saai geworden is, 2 uur naar een gp kijken wetende dat elke fractie onvoorspelbaarheid is verdwenen. Coureurs zijn aan het managen ipv voluit gaan, materiaal idem.
    Maar wat hij hier roept is helemaal niet des Todt's, volgens mij was hij z'n pilletje vergeten oid.

    • + 2
    • 15 dec 2017 - 08:27
  • Dus wanneer jij je werk goed doet zoals bij Mercedes en Ferrari ben je eigenlijk niet goed bezig.....dat anderen hun huiswerk niet onder de knie krijgen is kennelijk niet het probleem. En over betrouwbaarheid gesproken, dat is toch wat de FIA graag wilt gezien hun aantal motoren beleid. En dan zeggen dat het geld kost om zo betrouwbaar te zijn, alsof het geen geld kost wanneer motoren steeds kapot gaan.....bij de klantenteams van Ferrari en Mercedes gaan de motoren niet kapot en dus besparen zij veel geld.
    Renault en Honda moeten gewoon zorgen dat zij de boel voor elkaar hebben.
    Een simpelere versie van de huidige motor gaat de problemen echt niet verhelpen.
    In het oude V8, V10 tijdperk kon een motorleverancier als Cosworth ook niet aanhaken, terwijl juist die Motoren veel simpeler waren.

    • + 0
    • 15 dec 2017 - 08:30
    • Todt bedoeld natuurlijk niet dat MB niet goed bezig was, het heeft het over het huidige systeem. Nog steeds onzin aangezien hij er zelf aan bijgedragen heeft.
      Deze krachtbronnen kosten gwn gruwelijk veel geld, teruggrijpen naar simpele V10 blokken, die draaien tenminste zo'n 17.000 toeren dus hebben we een fatsoenlijk geluid, en ze zijn aanzienlijk voordeliger, dus er kunnen er nogal wat ploffen om aan de huidige kosten te komen. Met die oude / uitontwikkelde techniek zullen de fabrikanten zeker dichter op elkaar zitten dan nu het geval is. Cosworth heeft trouwens ook gwn z'n successen gehad, bijv. de Benetton uit 94 waarmee Schumacher kampioen werd is ook door Cosworth gebouwd.

      • + 1
      • 15 dec 2017 - 08:44
  • Tja, het seizoen was natuurlijk veel interessanter geweest als tegen het eind werkelijk iedereen een gridpenalty heeft.
    En dan een Sauber op pole. Lachen, wat?

    Todt is 'm flink kwijt.

    • + 1
    • 15 dec 2017 - 09:08
  • Dus, sta veel meer motoren toe, die goedkoper kunnen zijn omdat ze minder betrouwbaar hoeven te zijn. Win-Win-Win situatie toch ??? (Minder gridstraffen, kosten omlaag, meer spektakel en rookpluimen op de baan, wat willen we nog meer.)

    • + 1
    • 15 dec 2017 - 09:18
  • Te betrouwbaar?? Heeft hij gezopen? Moet heerlijk zijn voor de Mercedes fans dat ze niet elk raceweekend in de zenuwe zitten of het spul heel blijft.. Maar wat stelt de Fia voor?. Handje zand in de motor bij elke overwinning?

    • + 0
    • 15 dec 2017 - 09:30
  • PKracing

    Posts: 812

    Tja pipo de clown....moet je voor naar 3 motoren gaan. En het accepteren dat Fiarrari en Mercedes niet het lef hebben aan topteams te leveren.

    • + 2
    • 15 dec 2017 - 10:10
  • Het is ook nooit goed met die lampenkap....

    • + 0
    • 15 dec 2017 - 10:14
  • Bijna 2018, nog "slechts" 3 jaar te gaan voordat deze koekwaus ajuus zegt en de F1 compleet in de vernieling achterlaat!

    • + 1
    • 15 dec 2017 - 11:55
  • Klagen over een resultaat dat je zelf in gang hebt gezet. Nogal ongeloofwaardig.

    • + 0
    • 15 dec 2017 - 12:46
  • Ik begin me steeds meer te verbazen over deze man. Toen hij nog teambaas was had ik veel respect voor hem, maar dat brokkelt snel af. Hij zit in zijn ivoren torentje en heeft daar volgens mij geen bereik van de fans.

    • + 1
    • 15 dec 2017 - 13:02
  • De auto's zijn betrouwbaar omdat ze gvd bijna nooit meer op de limiet hoeven te rijden!!!
    Zorgen dat ze de gehele race zo hard mogelijk MOETEN gaan en je zult zien dat er af en toe weer eentje stukgaat!

    • + 1
    • 15 dec 2017 - 14:31
    • t/m 2005 met de V10's gingen de toerentallen nog tot 20.000 p/m

      Dan wil er nog wel eens eentje op spectaculaire wijze tot ontploffing komen :)

      • + 1
      • 15 dec 2017 - 14:39
  • mediF1

    Posts: 2.841

    meneer Todt dat werkt ook niet eerst zo maken dat de niet merk gebonden teams er niet meer aan te pas komen als ze eenmaal de macht hebben deze weer weg willen nemen Nee in mijn ogen ben je daar veel te laat in en volgend jaar zal een ramp worden voor de andere teams als ze nog maar 3 motoren mogen gebruiken .

    • + 0
    • 15 dec 2017 - 17:08
  • LimboF1

    Posts: 6.088

    Ferrari had nog issues, maar Mercedes is mega betrouwbaar. Maar nu staan zijn uitspraken wel een beetje haaks op de 3 motoren per seizoen...
    Als met 3 motoren een seizoen moet doen, dan moeten de motoren toch wel heel betrouwbaar zijn...toch?

    • + 0
    • 16 dec 2017 - 19:54
  • verfuktf1

    Posts: 511

    JEAN TODT: "FERRARI EN MERCEDES ZIJN TE BETROUWBAAR"
    Jean Todt dus niet.

    • + 0
    • 17 dec 2017 - 11:28

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