Cosworth denkt aan ontwikkelen motor met Aston Martin

  • Gepubliceerd op 18 jan 2018 16:00
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  • Door: Bjorn Smit

Aston Martin denkt al enige tijd na over toetreden tot de Formule 1 als motorleverancier. Mocht de Engelse autofabrikant daartoe besluiten, dan zou motormaker Cosworth graag de handen met ze ineenslaan. De eerste gesprekken daarover zouden al geweest zijn.

Sinds 2018 is Aston Martin als titelsponsor verbonden aan Red Bull Racing en onder de juiste voorwaarden zien ze het ook zitten om als motorleverancier actief te worden in de Formule 1. Red Bull zou ook open staan voor motoren van haar nieuwe titelsponsor. Mocht het daadwerkelijk zover komen, dan stapt Cosworth graag in. Dat liet motorbaas Bruce Wood weten aan Autosport. "We willen graag meedoen met zo'n samenwerking. De afgelopen jaren hebben we veel met Aston Martin gewerkt en we werken al samen met Red Bull in het ontwikkelen van de Valkyrie, dus het zou een logische stap zijn.

"Aston Martin heeft duidelijk gezegd dat ze meer willen doen dan alleen dan hun naam op andermans motor plakken, maar ze willen ook niet op zichzelf een motor ontwikkelen. Daar valt een gat op te vullen en de discussies gaan ook daarover. Red Bull en Aston Martin hebben een sterke band, dus de wil om samen iets te doen is daar."

In het verleden was Cosworth al vaker actief in de Formule 1. In de jaren zestig en zeventig was het merk bijzonder succesvol als motorleverancier van onder andere Lotus en McLaren. Marussia reed in 2013 als laatste team met motoren van Cosworth, dat een samenwerking met Aston Martin of Illmor realistischer noemt dan alleen een krachtbron ontwikkelen. Wood: "Cosworth is compleet onafhankelijk en daardoor moeten we bovenal winstgevend zijn. Het is niet meer zoals toen Ford onze eigenaar was en de kosten afdekte. Alles moet nu winstgevend zijn en dat is makkelijker als je met iemand de kosten deelt. Als bedrijven zijn we opgegroeid door tegen elkaar te strijden. Toch denk ik dat het in iedereens voordeel is en dat niemand het alleen kan doen."

Het is nog niet geheel duidelijk hoe de motorreglementen er vanaf 2021 uit gaan zien. Wood verwacht daardoor dat een onafhankelijke motorleverancier, zoals Cosworth, niet voor 2022 klaar zal zijn om de Formule 1 in te stappen. "We moeten veel extra mensen aannemen en de infrastructuur moet uitgebreid worden. Dat is ook al een jaar werk, dus ik denk dat 2021 dan 2022 wordt. Dat is misschien niet wat iedereen wil, maar wel beter dan het  ontbreken van dergelijke discussies. In onze optiek is het voor iedereen een grote investering en waarschijnlijk is het niet realistisch dat alles voor 2021 klaar is. Wij denken daardoor niet dat we het uit ons hoofd moeten zeggen, maar we denken na over de situatie in 2022."

StevenQ

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Cosworth heeft vaker een partner gehad, vroeger was dat Ford

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  • 18 jan 2018 - 17:39

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  • Goede ontwikkeling, laat maar komen!
    Dat is optie nr3, na Renault en Honda.. Waar er misschien een van afvalt.

    • + 0
    • 18 jan 2018 - 16:10
    • Jaylie

      Posts: 253

      Had Horner het niet over ‘meerdere opties ná 2018’? Dit gaat over de complete nieuwe situatie vanaf 2021.

      • + 0
      • 18 jan 2018 - 16:24
    • Jawel, maar wie of wat is in die tussenliggende jaren dan ook een optie?
      Als Renault niet gaat verlengen met pak m beet 2 jaar, blijft alleen Honda nog over en dat is maar een optie..

      • + 0
      • 18 jan 2018 - 16:39
    • StevenQ

      Posts: 9.179

      Cosworth heeft ook een motor liggen volgens de huidige reglementen, die is destijds wel gebouwd en ontwikkeld maar niemand wilde hem hebben(Manor stapte over op Ferrari)

      op de site racecar-engineering staan foto's

      • + 0
      • 18 jan 2018 - 16:50
    • StevenQ

      Posts: 9.179

      gewoon even zoeken op "cosworth 2014 f1 engine"

      • + 0
      • 18 jan 2018 - 16:51
    • Taures

      Posts: 1.358

      Heb ik al eerder vermeld, Cosworth Aston Martin

      • + 0
      • 18 jan 2018 - 19:26
    • Horner had het over na 2018 en had het m.i. toch echt over Renault en Honda. Dat Renault niet meer il leveren is nooit bevestigd, ook in het laatste bericht met Horner aan het woord weer niet.

      Cosworth en Aston Martin staan daar m.i. los van en in het bericht hierboven staat toch ook dat Cosworth pas aan 2022 denkt.

      • + 1
      • 18 jan 2018 - 21:21
    • Wat Larry zegt

      • + 0
      • 18 jan 2018 - 22:15
  • Lees ik nu hier dat er een samenwerking tussen Illmor en Cosworth in de maak is? Dat zou wel eens voor vuurwerk kunnen zorgen. Samen met Aston Martin en RB zou dat een blok tegen de twee fabrieksteams kunnen worden.

    • + 0
    • 18 jan 2018 - 17:20
    • Kenju

      Posts: 2.629

      Nee, dat lees je niet. Want dan had we wel ergens Ilmore in de tekst gestaan en dat deze in samenwerking zou gaan met de partijen die je noemt. Net zo min waar als dat je leest dat Toyota terug komt in de F1 of dat Hogwarts echt bestaat.

      • + 0
      • 18 jan 2018 - 17:31
    • StevenQ

      Posts: 9.179

      Er zit nog steeds geen E in Ilmor(ook maar 1 L trouwens)

      • + 1
      • 18 jan 2018 - 17:38
    • @Kenju, er staat toch echt dat Cosworrh een samenwerking met Ilmor of AstonMartin realistischer noemt dan alleen een krachtbron ontwikkelen

      • + 3
      • 18 jan 2018 - 19:58
    • Kenju

      Posts: 2.629

      Ah, copy-pasten van korte woordjes is nooit een goed idee....

      • + 0
      • 18 jan 2018 - 20:29
    • d@nny

      Posts: 3.226

      @ Kenju, ik zie idd nergens Illmore in de tekst staat. Ilmor daarentegen....

      • + 0
      • 18 jan 2018 - 20:47
    • Wat jij schrijft klopt @Snelrondje. @Benno er staat dus niet dat Cosworth met Ilmor gaat samenwerken en dan ook nog eens met Aston Martin. Het is of de ene of de andere volgens het bericht.

      Alleen al vanuit historisch oogpunt zou het m.i. fantastisch zijn als de naam Cosworth terugkomt als onafhankelijke motorleverancier, los van wie ermee gaat rijden.

      Zo graag nog twee of drie (utopie?) en Ferrari en Mercedes kunnen flink onder druk worden gezet. Tenminste, als het ook concrete belangstelling is om in te stappen.

      • + 1
      • 18 jan 2018 - 21:34
  • Kenju

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    Gezien de ontwikkelingen die nodig zijn, waarom zou Cosworth het samen met Aston Martin doen, in plaats van gewoon onder eigen naam en bijv. RBR ervoor te laten betalen?

    • + 0
    • 18 jan 2018 - 17:29
    • StevenQ

      Posts: 9.179

      Cosworth heeft vaker een partner gehad, vroeger was dat Ford

      • + 3
      • 18 jan 2018 - 17:39
    • Weet het niet maar misschien wil Red Bull niet zover het diepe induiken wat motoren betreft? Ze hebben niet voor niets nooit een eigen motorenafdeling op poten gezet.
      Het is slechts een optie.

      • + 1
      • 18 jan 2018 - 21:38
    • Kenju

      Posts: 2.629

      @StevenQ Maar Ford is wel van een ander kaliber van Aston Martin. Ford heeft wel een infrastructuur die wat kan bijdragen, plus geld. Aston Martin heeft dit niet.

      @Larry Perkins Red Bull kan het natuurlijk wel bankrollen en door een ander laten doen. Aston Martin heeft geen meerwaarde in deze.

      • + 0
      • 19 jan 2018 - 00:13
    • Missschien omdat Aston Martin een partner van Red Bull is en samen de opdracht verstrekt aan Cosworth?

      • + 0
      • 19 jan 2018 - 09:17
    • Vermoed dat Red Bull gewoon alleen motoren wil afnemen, verder helemaal niets.

      • + 0
      • 19 jan 2018 - 09:29
    • ringo

      Posts: 3.629

      AM en RB kan zoiezo de kosten dekken :p zou voor een RB een stabiele keuze zijn :)

      • + 0
      • 19 jan 2018 - 14:34
  • SolarCell

    Posts: 982

    "Het is niet meer zoals toen Ford onze eigenaar was..." ONZE eigenaar was.... serieus?!?

    • + 0
    • 18 jan 2018 - 17:48
  • geert61

    Posts: 1.099

    ilmore is reds samen met rb bezig met de honda motor je tr moet je zeggen maar we weten wel hoe het werkt daar.
    wat gaat het worden denk dat de duitsers er de hand in krijgen en de ster vervangen wordt door 2 vleugeltjes .
    maar we zullen zien wat d toekomst ons brengt is de f1 kan zomaar veranderen

    • + 0
    • 18 jan 2018 - 18:21
  • Arie54

    Posts: 4.960

    Dat is de 300e keer dat dit bericht in een of andere vorm voorbij komt...

    • + 0
    • 18 jan 2018 - 18:54
    • The dre

      Posts: 2.184

      Dan heb je 300 keer hetzelfde bericht gelezen. Gefeliciteerd, maar ik zou een hobby zoeken.

      • + 2
      • 18 jan 2018 - 19:21
    • @arie54, dat is knap, sinds 16.00 uur vanmiddag. Tijd vliegt ,he?. Zoek een andere hobby of accepteer gewoon dat er even niet geraced word. 26 Februari (testdagen)voor het eerst weer. Groetjes.

      • + 1
      • 18 jan 2018 - 20:41
  • Zou gaaf zijn, kunnen zij het stokje van Honda overnemen.

    • + 0
    • 18 jan 2018 - 20:52
    • Kenju

      Posts: 2.629

      Denk dat als Honda draait, je hen beter als partner kan hebben door de grootte en het geld dat er achter zit, dan Cosworth, Aston Martin of Ilmor. Ook als ze met een nieuw concept moeten komen.

      • + 0
      • 19 jan 2018 - 00:15
    • Helemaal met jou eens Kenju.

      • + 0
      • 19 jan 2018 - 08:16
  • Fibonacci

    Posts: 760

    GO Cosworth GO!! Enzo Ferrari vond toen al die 'garagistes' een doorn in het oog van de 'echte' motorbouwers zoals Ferrari. En daar had Jim Clark, Jacky Stewart en veel anderen lak aan.

    • + 0
    • 18 jan 2018 - 23:19
  • Ik zie het niet gebeuren.
    De opmerking dat Cosworth pas vanaf 2022 klaar zou zijn, is een veeg teken.
    Zou maar zo kunnen dat ze met die opmerkingen de verwachtingen nu al temperen (de kop in drukken?).

    Het reglement zou vanaf 2021 van kracht moeten zijn, maar staat nu nog niet vast. Hoe dan ook, het ontwikkelen van een krachtbron kost veel geld. Het doorontwikkelen van en krachtbron kost dat ook. Cosworth zit erin om geld te verdienen. Aston heeft niet de financiële middelen van Mercedes, Renault en Honda. Het wordt hoe dan ook een kostbaar project voor Red Bull.

    Over een half jaar weten we of RedBull met Honda in zee gaat (reken maar van yes). Over anderhalf jaar weten we of dat behalve financieel voordelig ook sportief een succes kan gaan worden.

    Over anderhalf jaar, dat is zomer 2019, dan moet het nieuwe reglement al wel op papier staan. Serieuze motor fabrikanten zullen dan al gestart zijn met de ontwikkeling van de 2021 motor, terwijl Aston/Cosworth dan nog druk bezig zijn een organisatie op te zetten.

    En dan nog, stel dat Honda na 2021 uit de F1 stapt. Wie levert RedBull dat jaar dan een PU? Cosworth moet er in 2021 staan of we moeten nog 1 á 2 jaar door met het huidige reglement.

    En dan nog. Zullen ze bij RedBull een kleine specialist wiens laatste GP overwinning ergens in de vorige eeuw was, verkiezen boven een technologisch en economisch grootmacht als Honda?

    • + 0
    • 19 jan 2018 - 10:54
  • Uit ons hoofd moeten zeggen.... daar gaan wee weer

    • + 0
    • 19 jan 2018 - 17:58

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