Wolff betwijfelt juistheid van keuze brandstofleverancier van Red Bull

  • Gepubliceerd op 08 maa 2018 13:33
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  • Door: Bjorn Smit

Red Bull Racing maakt een fout door voor een commerciële brandstofdeal te kiezen, in plaats van voor dezelfde leverancier te gaan als Renault. Dat zegt Mercedes-teambaas Toto Wolff in gesprek met Autosport.

Het fabrieksteam van Renault rijdt met brandstof en olie van BP/Castrol, terwijl Red Bull rijdt met producten van ExxonMobil. Dat is niet omdat ExxonMobil geen kwaliteit levert, zo benadrukt Wolff. "ExxonMobil is in staat om producten van topkwaliteit te maken, net als BP/Castrol en andere topspelers. De strategische fout die ze maken, is dat ze voor een commerciële deal gegaan zijn en daardoor niet op dezelfde specificatie brandstof en olie zitten als het fabrieksteam."

De keuze vooral onhandig, zo verklaart Wolff, omdat Renault haar motor kalibreert op basis van haar eigen brandstof- en olieleverancier. "Onze teams hebben altijd Petronas gebruikt, met uitzondering van McLaren. Dat was nooit een vraagstuk, want strategisch gezien wil je zeker weten dat je op hetzelfde niveau presteert. Daarvoor heb je dezelfde vloeistoffen nodig als het fabrieksteam. Wij gebruiken allemaal dezelfde brandstoffen, omdat onze motoren op die brandstof gekalibreerd worden."

"Als je een andere soort brandstof hebt, heb je ook een andere kalibratie nodig", vervolgt Wolff. "Als je vervolgens verschillende kalibraties op het circuit hebt rijden, leer je weer niets. Je maakt je eigen leven daardoor een stuk lastiger, omdat je andere specificaties hebt."

ben een leek op dit gebied natuurlijk, maar het lijkt me heel sterk dat Horner na het lezen van dit berichtje zoiets heeft van "sh*t, die stomme Toto heeft een goed punt, waarom hebben wij daar niet aan gedacht"

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  • Bonsai

    Posts: 1.717

    Vorig jaar waren er juist berichten uit het Red Bull kamp dat ze met en dankzij ExxonMobil meer vermogen uit het blok wisten te halen.

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 13:35
    • mario

      Posts: 11.603

      Maar waarom is McLaren dan overgestapt van Mobil naar een andere leverancier?
      Het lijkt mij handiger om één leverancier te hebben voor een bepaald merk motor.... Ik ben daar geen kenner in en dit is dus maar een persoonlijke mening.... (net als Carmen Jorda hehehe)

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 13:39
    • z0mer

      Posts: 2.104

      Mobil is overgestapt naar Red Bull. McLaren heeft dit jaar weer een commerciële brandstofdeal met Petrobras, echter gebruiken ze de brandstof van BP/Castrol.

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 14:07
    • mario

      Posts: 11.603

      @Z0MER: Ik zeg toch ook dat McLaren Mobil had en is overgestapt naar een andere leverancier (Petrobas dus).... Red Bull is dus Mobil gaan gebruiken....

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 14:35
    • mario

      Posts: 11.603

      Sorry.... Ze gingen naar Petrobras en nu naar BP/Castrol bij McLaren....

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 14:37
    • z0mer

      Posts: 2.104

      Je suggereerde dat het de beslissing van McLaren was, terwijl Mobil het contract niet heeft verlengd. McLaren reed afgelopen jaar met BP/Castrol (leverancier) en heeft dit jaar Petrobras (sponsor), terwijl BP/Castrol nog steeds de brandstof levert.

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 15:02
    • mario

      Posts: 11.603

      Sorry Z0MER: Ik maakte er een beetje een rommeltje van met mijn reacties.... Wat ik voornamelijk bedoelde is dat je toch het liefst een brandstof- en olie-leverancier wil hebben die het fabrieksteam ook heeft, omdat daar alles speciaal voor ontwikkeld wordt.... Wie weet kan een andere leverancier ook en misschien wel betere samenstellingen ontwikkelen, maar toch lijkt mij de samenwerking met een fabrieksteam en dus ook die brandstof en olie af te nemen meer logisch....

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 15:19
    • Warlord

      Posts: 2.153

      Nu ben ik niet meer verbaasd over het niveau van Mclaren in 2014. FI en Williams hadden een mega voordeel door dat super Mercedes blok maar Mclaren kwam zelfs op echte power ciruits niet uit de voeten.

      • + 1
      • 8 maa 2018 - 16:09
    • Roel79

      Posts: 124

      @warlord: ik ook niet idd. Al hadden ze toen ook echt een draak van een chassis gebouwd.

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 18:19
    • Stitch

      Posts: 6.063

      Toto is bang voor Red Bull. Anders zou hij zich niet met hun techniek bezig gaan houden.

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 21:59
    • Dat dacht ik dus ook stitch.

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 22:34
  • Hier heeft Toto wel een punt.

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 13:38
    • mario

      Posts: 11.603

      Puntje volgens z'n vrouw ;)

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 13:40
    • roelie77

      Posts: 327

      Hahaha?

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 14:34
    • Taures

      Posts: 1.358

      Hier zit eigenbelang achter, anders zeg je zoiets niet.
      RBR weet heus wat ze aan het doen zijn.

      • + 2
      • 8 maa 2018 - 15:14
    • mario

      Posts: 11.603

      @TAURUS: Weet je dat zeker???? Vorig jaar werd dat ook gezegd, en blijkbaar wisten ze het toen toch niet echt, want ze liepen achter de feiten aan.....
      Ik hoop wel dat ze nu meteen vooraan mee kunnen doen hoor :)

      • + 1
      • 8 maa 2018 - 16:11
    • @Taurus: Kan ook zijn dat Toto vol vertrouwen is over het vermogen en betrouwbaarheid van hun motor en het sowieso al te laat is voor Redbull om nu nog te veranderen. Is ook altijd goed als je twijfel kan zaaien bij andere teams over hun keuzes en gebruikswijzen.

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 19:45
    • Taures

      Posts: 1.358

      @Mario
      Denk dat Toto meer zorgen maakt dat beter gaat lopen.

      @Donshere
      Mooi tactiek van Dhr Toto

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 20:13
  • Er is geen inzage in data of precieze samenstelling van de brandstof. Toch vind ik Wolf hier een duidelijk punt hebben. Het hoeft niet slecht uit te pakken, maar het kan zeker nadelig zijn.

    Uit eigen ervaring weet ik dat een wissel van Olieleverancier van gelijke specificaties 2 graden scheelde onder de zelfde omstandigheden.

    • + 1
    • 8 maa 2018 - 13:39
    • 2 graden wat??

      • + 1
      • 8 maa 2018 - 20:59
    • Duitse hardheid lijkt me in dit geval het meest voor de hand liggen

      • + 0
      • 9 maa 2018 - 07:15
  • Als het echt zoveel zou verschillen als Wolff hier doet voorkomen, zou RBR vast wel met BP/Castrol racen lijkt mij.

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 13:46
    • lenc1313

      Posts: 541

      dat is ook mijn gedachte. zou toch ook een aardig domme fout zijn als t niet goed uitpakt.....

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 14:16
    • ben een leek op dit gebied natuurlijk, maar het lijkt me heel sterk dat Horner na het lezen van dit berichtje zoiets heeft van "sh*t, die stomme Toto heeft een goed punt, waarom hebben wij daar niet aan gedacht"

      • + 2
      • 8 maa 2018 - 14:30
    • manuel

      Posts: 3.119

      Net of die stooklolie van de vorige leverancier een succes was. RBR heeft geen commerciele deal nodig. Geld zat.

      • + 1
      • 8 maa 2018 - 14:49
  • john013

    Posts: 228

    lol foutje bedankt.

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 13:49
  • meister

    Posts: 3.464

    Eigenlijk moet iedereen gewoon standaard euro95 gebruiken.

    • + 1
    • 8 maa 2018 - 13:51
    • Is niet goed voor die motoren, veel te laag octaan getal.

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 14:00
    • Bonsai

      Posts: 1.717

      Ik zou het wel grappig vinden. Al die motoren die ploffen.

      • + 1
      • 8 maa 2018 - 14:11
    • Edgar

      Posts: 1.690

      Ik ook, maar dan wel vooral Mercedes en Renault motoren ;P

      • + 0
      • 8 maa 2018 - 14:19
  • Edgar

    Posts: 1.690

    Nou ik ruik kansen voor TinQ en Peut om brandstof te gaan leveren aan RB, houden ze meer geld over voor andere zaken..

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 14:01
  • Smurfmark

    Posts: 93

    Exxon heeft die brandstof toch juist ontwikkeld voor redbul. Dus dan zou dat toch geen probleem moeten zijn??

    • + 1
    • 8 maa 2018 - 14:04
    • Precies...Leuk en aardig wat Toto zegt, maar Exxon werkt gewoon de andere kant op. I.p.v. je motor kalibreren aan de brandstof doet Exxon het andersom, die past gewoon zijn brandstof aan aan de motor...

      Is echt geen hogere wiskunde dit...

      • + 2
      • 8 maa 2018 - 14:38
  • Als ik Wolff was dan zou ik me toch vooral druk maken om Mercedes en niet om de brandstof van een concurrent. Of is hij stiekem bang dat Red Bull juist voordeel weet te behalen dankzij ExxonMobil?

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 14:12
    • Hij maakt zich daar niet druk over.....Hij constateert alleen iets en heeft zijn gedachten daar over.

      • + 1
      • 8 maa 2018 - 15:57
    • Precies Dutch..

      • + 1
      • 8 maa 2018 - 16:20
  • Sieper

    Posts: 1.753

    Gelul, die petronas van merc komt zelf ook gewoon uit zuid Duitsland. Zal bij RBR niet anders zijn. Lijkt me een poging om als rookgordijn op te werpen, een reden creëren waarom merc sneller is (nog steeds oil burn) die aannemelijk klinkt.

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 14:18
  • Waar bemoeit die Toto zich mee? Zou hij het ook prettig vinden als er een artikel verscheen: "Horner betwijfelt juistheid van keuze Bottas van Mercedes".

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 14:19
    • Dat hoeft Horner niet te zeggen. Dat weet Toto zelf ook wel.
      Alleen betere optie waren er niet op dat moment.

      • + 0
      • 9 maa 2018 - 07:18
  • F1RST

    Posts: 87

    Als ExxonMobil zonder belemmeringen haar brandstof kan testen op de motoren, dan denk ik niet dat het een nadeel is om voor hun te kiezen. Ik 'denk' dat RB in vergelijking met andere teams een modernere organisatie heeft, waarbij RB niet een klant wordt, maar meer een samenwerkingsverband wil creëren en daarmee veel meer waarde toevoegt op het uiteindelijke product (brandstof). Als we Torro Rosso mogen geloven, dan is een actueel voorbeeld van het nut 'samenwerken' die van Mclaren/Honda vs TR/Honda. Als ExxonMobil meer aansluit op de organisatie van RB en ze beide bereidt zijn om informatie uit te wisselen, dan lijkt het me strategisch een veel betere keuze.

    • + 1
    • 8 maa 2018 - 14:19
  • John6

    Posts: 8.170

    Waarschijnlijk wil Toto wat antwoorden hebben van Horner, en van Marko, dat kan hij wel vergeten.

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 14:24
  • Caramba

    Posts: 5.786

    Ik denk dat je sponsoring en productgebruik los van elkaar moet zien. Het lijkt me de RB zelf wel weet wat het beste voor haar motor is.

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 14:51
  • Murph

    Posts: 136

    Dus i.p.v. dezelfde brandstoffen te gebruiken als Renault, en 1.5 seconde per ronde verliezen, kiest RBR voor een commerciële deal, investeert het ontvangen geld in aero, om vervolgens nog maar 0,5 sec per ronde te verliezen; Toto heeft gelijk, dit is echt een waardeloze beslissing.....

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 15:10
  • ed195413

    Posts: 6

    Die Wollf is toch wel nerveus

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 15:41
  • k.w

    Posts: 1.076

    Misschien doet RB dit om de kans uit te sluiten dat ze net iets mindere kwaliteit krijgen dan het fabrieksteam Renault.

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 16:01
  • mediF1

    Posts: 2.841

    Laat hem eerst maar eens naar zijn eigen olie verbruikende motor kijken voordat hij bij een ander in de etalage kijkt .

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 17:12
  • Ik zie het weer. Allemaal kenners hier mbt brandstof binnen F1. Kan niet wachten totdat we een NL F1 gaan meemaken. Dat kan gewoon niet mis gaan met zoveel specialisten die graag gratis advies geven. ;)

    • + 0
    • 8 maa 2018 - 20:15
  • Ha Toto ziet dit mijn inziens fout.

    Toto heeft maar 1 setje aan data om met -niks- te vergelijken.
    RB heeft de data van Renault en zijn brandstof partner, en daar gaat Exxon mee aan de slag als referentiekader.
    Sure, het kan slecht uitpakken... maar 2 setjes data tegen 1 setje data... is WIN!

    • + 1
    • 8 maa 2018 - 20:58
  • MrEmilio

    Posts: 217

    Juist, Wolff weet het wel.

    En ondertussen verbrande het Mercedes Team vorig jaar tot 0,9l olie per 100km, terwijl de klantenteams op 0,1-0,2 l per 100 km zaten.

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    • 9 maa 2018 - 16:44

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