Oud Michelin-baas: "Jongere generatie al gewend aan nieuw geluid Formule 1"

  • Gepubliceerd op 04 mei 2018 14:14
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  • Door: Rik Klein Entink

De Formule 1 kan ook overleven zonder de grote motoren met bijbehorend lawaai uit het verleden. Dat is de mening van Pierre Dupasquier voormalig directeur bij Michelin in de tijd van de bandenoorlog en de V10 motoren ruim tien jaar geleden. 

Meer geluid

De Formule 1 heeft nu vijf jaar hybride motoren en eigenaar van de Formule 1, Liberty Media, wil juist koningsklasse weer iets van het oude geluid teruggeven met de nieuwe motorreglementen die vanaf 2021 van kracht moeten worden. Maar de jongere generatie is volgens de Fransman allang gewend aan de nieuwe geluiden. 

Jonge generatie al gewend

Duspasquier zegt tegen het Franse Auto Hebdo: "Met de opkomst van gaming consoles is de jongere generatie allang gewend aan het andere geluid en ze zien dagelijks hybride- en elektrische auto's. Zij zullen zich juist afvragen waarom een Formule 1-wagen zoveel lawaai maakt. Maar het is volgens Duspasquier ook een stap terug voor de Formule 1: "Niemand zou zo'n oude machine nog begrijpen waar de moderne auto's op de weg voorzien zijn van alle moderne technieken."

Helzing

Posts: 3

Volgens mij gaat het er hier niet om of men gewend is aan het geluid, maar wil men horen wat er echt mogelijk is. Ik ben ook gewend aan de Nasi van mijn vrouw, maar weet dat het beter smaakt bij de Chinees.

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  • mordor

    Posts: 1.829

    Nope

    • + 1
    • 4 mei 2018 - 14:12
  • Helzing

    Posts: 3

    Volgens mij gaat het er hier niet om of men gewend is aan het geluid, maar wil men horen wat er echt mogelijk is. Ik ben ook gewend aan de Nasi van mijn vrouw, maar weet dat het beter smaakt bij de Chinees.

    • + 4
    • 4 mei 2018 - 14:15
    • Laat je vrouw het maar niet lezen, dan kun je zonder eten naar bed.. :)

      • + 3
      • 4 mei 2018 - 14:23
    • dan zou ik gelijk gaan scheiden, Altijd eerlijk zijn ;)

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 14:34
    • Welkom @Helzing.
      Wil je een recept voor Nasi?

      • + 1
      • 4 mei 2018 - 14:43
    • Rick F1

      Posts: 1.883

      Van eten bij de Chinees wil je geen maagkrampen krijgen.
      Het originele geluid doet pijn aan de oren (zeker bij jongeren).

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 15:07
    • Helzing

      Posts: 3

      @Xamverstappen
      haha, zij weet niet dat ik een account heb aangemaakt, laat staan wat ik hier schrijf ;)

      @Royalere
      Daar heb je helemaal gelijk in, echter jij kent mijn vrouw niet (als het goed is ;))

      @Billgates307
      Dank je wel ;) Joh, het enige wat ik kan klaarmaken is een goede spaghetti...maar daar blijft het ook wel bij ;)

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 15:07
    • Helzing ik had het tegen Xam ;).

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 15:18
    • Horen wat er mogelijk is? Kom herrie is ook energie die dus verloren gaat... dus minder geluid is een krachtigere motor... ;) per liter dan he

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 15:33
    • Caramba

      Posts: 5.786

      Punt is duidelijk. Ik ben bang dat men dit soort redeneringen ook op de halo gaan toepassen. Welnu, voor mij went het nooit. En waarom moet de jongste generatie de maat der dingen zijn?

      • + 1
      • 4 mei 2018 - 16:31
    • Kraai

      Posts: 682

      Tip voor de nasi.
      Kook de rijst een dag van te voren in kippenbouillon.

      Wat het geluid betreft.
      Je raakt er inderdaad aan gewend, maar dat gejank van de ferrari motoren mis ik wel.

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 17:10
    • @Helzing: is spaghetti echt het enige? Ik neem aan dat je ook je vrouw kan klaarmaken. ;-)

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 17:17
    • @ bennydonker Misschien doet de Chinees dat ook wel beter... mwhahaha

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 17:40
    • Nummeltje 69 bij de Chinees. ;-)

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 18:13
  • Edgar

    Posts: 1.690

    Ben er eerlijk gezegd allang aan gewend, zelfs aan die stomme halo ben ik gewend inmiddels...

    • + 0
    • 4 mei 2018 - 14:19
    • Ik hoop dat ze alsnog het aeroscreen gaan overnemen welke ze in de Indycar aan t testen zijn op het moment. LM staat aan het roer, dus wie weet. De Halo was een overhaaste zet. Wie weet gaan ze dat nog herstellen. ( hoop doet leven )

      • + 1
      • 4 mei 2018 - 14:43
    • Edgar, aardappelen met een gehaktbal ben ik ook aan gewend, maar als ik uit eten ga dan verwacht ik toch iets speciaals..
      Duspasquier refereert hier aan de normale straatauto's, daar moet de f1 juist verre van blijven willen ze het publiek echt spektakel bieden.
      V10 tijd was het summum, daarna is alles bergafwaarts gegaan. Nou weet ik dat die geluiden nooit zullen terugkeren maar een mooi compromis is welkom, niet om enkel de jonge generatie (alsof zij enkel degene zijn die graag honderden euro's stukslaan op kaarten) tevreden te stellen.

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 15:08
    • Maximiliaan: ook ik ben gewend aan de halo. Maar ik hoop dat ze deze constructie wel houden. Dit materiaal is f1-eigen. Nu weer ander materiaal gaan gebruiken (perspex of acrylaat of hoe heet dat spul) vind ik helemaal niets.

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 16:25
    • Edgar

      Posts: 1.690

      @ Jean..

      zucht, de V10 dat waren nog eens tijden, alleen dat geluid al, je kon je oren niet geloven dat die motor heel bleef, zo intens geluid.

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 16:36
    • sprak enorm tot de verbeelding idd, al vond ik het begin jaren 90 toen ik voor het eerst ging ook al heel indrukwekkend al die verschillende geluiden, die zware brul uit de Benetton met de Ford V8, de Renault V10's, de hoogtoerige Ferrari's en Lamborghini's...

      • + 1
      • 4 mei 2018 - 16:42
  • Wat een onzin, de jeugd moet maar leren omgaan met de vele decibels die een F1 auto hoort te maken. 2 weken geleden m'n neefje van 5 voor het eerst meegenomen naar Assen om naar de Superbikes te kijken, die zat me vol ongeloof aan te kijken toen ze voor het eerst voorbij kwamen donderen, kippenvelmomentje.

    • + 1
    • 4 mei 2018 - 14:19
    • Rick F1

      Posts: 1.883

      Hoort?

      Ik heb een neefje die houdt van auto's, totdat ze herrie maken, dan wil hij zo snel mogelijk weg.

      • + 1
      • 4 mei 2018 - 15:07
    • Nooit een formule 1 race bezocht met de oude motoren? Dat gaat door je hele lijf, daar kan geen nieuwe motor tegenop

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 15:28
    • Wat een onzin.... Ik ben 16 en weet dondersgoed hoe die V10 en V8 motoren klonken in het echt. En ik ben zeker gewend aan het geluid van de huidige motoren en de halo. Zolang de technologische snufjes op de auto's blijven ben ik helemaal tevreden met de huidige F1 wagens.

      • + 1
      • 4 mei 2018 - 15:53
    • Rick F1

      Posts: 1.883

      Yes, race bezocht en ook terwijl ik even niet de oordopjes bij me had. Dat was balen!

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 16:16
    • Zeker een auto op een Jumbo racing dag, man man man

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 18:50
    • Oordopjes?

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 23:47
    • Zeker het tijdperk van de V12 en de V10 niet meegemaakt ?
      Anderhalf uur racen is wat anders dan een paar demo-rondjes.

      • + 0
      • 5 mei 2018 - 01:43
  • Schumix

    Posts: 70

    Een F1 wagen moet je voelen in je oren. 1 van de redenen om een race te bezoeken.

    Misschien word het tijd voor een alternatief op F1 met V10 motoren, tanken, grindbakken, geen halo, geen drs, gridgirls, minder electronica, geen verstappen rule, geen virtual SC etc. etc.

    • + 0
    • 4 mei 2018 - 14:30
    • nou, niet alleen in je oren.., dat geluid voel je ook in je borst om maar wat te noemen..bizar toendertijd.

      • + 1
      • 4 mei 2018 - 14:55
    • Een F1 wagen moet je voelen in je maag!

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 17:18
    • Tja.

      Mijn oren fluiten. Permanent, 24 uur per dag, 7 dagen per week. Tinnitus heet het.
      Ik zou er wat voor geven om ervan af te komen, maar er is geen oplossing voor.

      Als je het niet hebt is er wel iets wat je kan doen om het niet te krijgen: Stel je niet bloot aan geluiden boven de 85 dB.
      Dus: ga niet naar rockconcerten, loop niet rond met koptelefoontjes op maximaal, ga niet naar een historische Formule 1 race, enz.

      Soms kan je er niks aan doen. Ik heb een blikseminslag op 5 meter meegemaakt, en eerst minutenlang niks kunnen horen, daarna keihard gefluit in mijn oren. Dat ging toen weg na een paar uur, net als na een concert en zo.
      Maar nu gaat het nooit meer weg.

      Vroeger moest ik een koptelefoon opzetten als ik naar de Formule 1 keek, vanwege dat 'rotgeluid'. Nu kijken mijn vrouw en kinderen soms mee.
      Het huidige geluid is een stuk socialer, in meer dan 1 opzicht.

      • + 2
      • 4 mei 2018 - 22:38
    • @Need5speed Heftig! Bijzonder dat je dat met ons deelt. Misschien moeten we inderdaad aan andere "trucs" denken om het gevoel van kracht en snelheid te geven.

      • + 1
      • 4 mei 2018 - 23:20
    • Ik wil niet zielig doen, ik ben er aan gewend en heb dit liever dan volledige doofheid.

      Maar tinnitus is iets waar miljoenen Nederlanders last van hebben in meer of mindere mate, terwijl het vrijwel onbekend is bij wie het niet heeft.
      Er zijn zoveel mensen die zich nodeloos bloot stellen aan hard geluid, zoveel die daar later enorm spijt van gaan krijgen, maar daar nu niks van af weten en er ook niet voor open staan. En het is jammer.

      Het gehoor is verreweg het meest kwetsbare zintuig.
      Ik ken 1 iemand die niet kan ruiken en vrijwel niets proeft.
      Enkele mensen die kleurenblind zijn of verminderd zicht hebben.
      Ik ken niemand die geen tastzin heeft, blijkbaar is dat heel betrouwbaar.
      Maar vrijwel iedereen heeft last van verminderd gehoor op hogere leeftijd. En ik heb dus tinnitus. Mijn chef zegt ook tinnitus te hebben, en we hebben een paar mensen met gehoorapparaten op de afdeling - rond de 50 jaar oud allemaal. 1 daarvan is een hifi-freak met dus ook hele dure gehoorapparaatjes.

      Ik hoop dat mijn geschrijf iemands gehoor kan redden. Maar meestal is dit soort advies aan dovemansoren gericht - toekomstige dan.

      • + 1
      • 5 mei 2018 - 00:26
    • zonder oordoppen was het simpelweg niet te doen. die had iedereen in.
      sommige zelfs nog met zo'n model koptelefoon er overheen.
      maar dat gevoel op je borst / maag...., magisch! :-)

      • + 0
      • 7 mei 2018 - 12:42
  • Ja, we zijn gewend aan het geluid van de banden omdat we de motoren niet meer horen.

    • + 1
    • 4 mei 2018 - 15:23
  • Ik beschouw mezelf als iemand van die "jongere generatie" en toen ik vorig jaar tijdens de gp van België de demonstratie van Mick Schumacher mocht meemaken kreeg ik gelijk spijt dat ik niet eerder deze sport volgde. Het geluid wat die wagen maakte is al genoeg reden om niet eens te willen wennen aan het huidige geluid.

    • + 2
    • 4 mei 2018 - 15:24
    • Kraai

      Posts: 682

      Welkom HFTOS.
      Je hebt helemaal gelijk.
      Als ze toen na de start langskwamen ......wauw.

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 17:18
  • Absoluut waar, een V10 zou (hoe leuk ook) nergens op slaan.
    Vernieuwing is altijd moeilijk geweest voor veel mensen, dat is hier niet anders.

    • + 0
    • 4 mei 2018 - 15:33
  • Niiek

    Posts: 675

    Leuke kletskoek van deze Michelin-man. Ik behoor ook nog tot de jongere generatie en het geluid is nu nog steeds niet om aan te horen.. Porsche Supercup maakte flink meer indruk op Spa. Straatauto’s hebben er tot op heden ook nog nauwelijks van geprofiteerd dus geef mij maar weer een V8 of V10

    • + 1
    • 4 mei 2018 - 15:38
  • @Royalere, Wanneer je soms iets niet helemaal verteld is het nog steeds eerlijk en lieg je niet.
    Maar ben het met je eens hoor, eerlijkheid duurt het langst, maar soms kun je beter iets niet te spraken brengen, aangezien je dan weer een kruisverhoor krijgt waar je helemaal geen zin in hebt.

    • + 0
    • 4 mei 2018 - 15:42
  • Kevin

    Posts: 5.294

    Voor mij is het armoedige geluid de reden dat ik geen GP meer bezoek. 80% kans dat je een flutrace te zien krijgt, dan moet het entertainmentgehalte van het geluid komen.

    • + 0
    • 4 mei 2018 - 16:42
    • Juist! Combinatie snelheid en geluid is beleving.

      • + 0
      • 4 mei 2018 - 16:49
  • Dat hele gezeur over geluid is ook een drogredenering , als je elk (race)weekend spectaculaire races ziet zeurt toch zeker niemand over het geluid en dat overbodige gezeur over vroeguhhhh ( Zeg ik als ouwe L.L)

    • + 0
    • 4 mei 2018 - 17:46

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