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Red Bull stap dichterbij keuze over motorleverancier 2019

Gepubliceerd op 14 jun 2018 13:50
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Door: Jeroen Jonkers

Red Bull Racing is een stap dichterbij de keuze over de motorleverancier met wie de Oostenrijkse renstal vanaf 2019 zal werken. Volgens teambaas Christian Horner heeft het team flink wat data verzameld en wordt een beslissing rond de Oostenrijkse Grand Prix gemaakt.

Eerder vertelde Red Bull's motorsportadviseur Dr. Helmut Marko dat de nieuwe Honda-motor drie tienden per ronde sneller is dan de oude variant. Ook presteerde de vernieuwde Renault-krachtbron in Canada naar behoren. Volgens Horner beginnen de puzzelstukjes op zijn plek te vallen.

"We hebben heel wat informatie verzameld om te analyseren en het zal ons waarschijnlijk nog een raceweekend duren om het op een ander circuit te bekijken", vertelt Horner. "Ik weet zeker dat we rond de Oostenrijkse Grand Prix met een beslissing zullen komen."

De thuisrace in Oostenrijk werd door Red Bull al langer genoemd als deadline, maar volgens Horner worden er wel stappen gemaakt in de evaluatieprocedure van het team. "Van wat ik gehoord heb, heeft Honda een flinke stap gezet. Ook Renault heeft gebracht wat ze vooraf vertelden."

"Nu is het zaak om de data te analyseren om zo te kijken naar de algehele prestaties." Volgens Horner ligt de uiteindelijke keuze voor een motorleverancier niet zozeer bij het team. "Er wordt door de technische afdeling een keuze gemaakt en deze wordt uiteindelijk doorgespeeld aan meneer Mateschitz voor zijn goedkeuring."

droopz

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@rogier hier bij honda "verbeteringen gaan langzaam" ?? sorry hiermee sla je de plank volledig mis... in 6 GP's zoveel progressie boeken ( als we de artikelen mogen geloven ) is niet "langzaam"

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14 jun 2018 - 14:35

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Tonrossi

Posts: 2.539
Volgens mij is het al lang een uitgemaakte zaak.
Maar nog effe interessant doen!

HONDA dus!
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- 14 jun 2018 - 13:59
- RJHvandaag
  
  Posts: 6.465
  Ze hebben al heel lang een band met Renault. Die is de laatste tijd een beetje rottig, maar ze hebben 4x een kampioenschap gewonnen.
  Dan wil je een eventuele overstap op een vastgesteld moment bekend maken, niet met een verklarign tussen neus en lippen door.
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:19
- Rogier hier
  
  Posts: 6.315
  Ik denk dat ze bij Red Bull maar één doel hebben: wereld kampioen worden! En ze zoeken de PU die hun daarbij gaat helpen en niet gaat tegenwerken. En dus analyseren ze alle ++ en -/- grondig. Volgens mij ziet dat er zo een beetje uit:
  
  Renault:
  ++
  Bekende partner. 4x WK mee geworden. Redelijk betrouwbare motor.
  -/-
  Klantenteam (eigen team Renault krijgt steeds meer voorrang). Partymodus ontbreekt. Niet het meeste vermogen van het veld. Frans.
  
  Honda:
  ++
  Willen succesvol worden. Groot budget. Exclusief verbonden aan Red Bull en Torro Rosso. Makkelijk data vergelijken tussen de teams. Japanners. Partymodus.
  -/-
  Nog niet echt succesvol geweest de afgelopen jaren. PU mist nog PK’s t.o.v. Mercedes en Ferrari. Verbeteringen gaan langzaam.
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:32
- lenc1313
  
  Posts: 541
  kan ik goed inkomen Rogier. ik gok dat ze voor Honda gaan om jou plussen die je noemt. . verder is het nog even afwachten
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:35
- droopz
  
  Posts: 777
  @rogier hier bij honda "verbeteringen gaan langzaam" ?? sorry hiermee sla je de plank volledig mis... in 6 GP's zoveel progressie boeken ( als we de artikelen mogen geloven ) is niet "langzaam"
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:35
- Pietje Bell
  
  Posts: 21.588
  @rogier hier "verbeteringen gaan langzaam" ?
  Die gaan in een enorm tempo.
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:40
- F0.9
  
  Posts: 61
  Verbeteringen worden in ieder geval eindelijk zichtbaar bij Honda, geen liters olie meer uit de kont.
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:49
- NEGROIDEVERSTAPPEN
  
  Posts: 720
  Verbeteringen gaan inderdaad langzaam. over de periode genomen dat ze weder actief zijn in de F1.
  
  Het ziet er naar uit dat ze de laatste maanden wat sneller zijn zeer zeker. echter is een paar maand over een paar jaar nog niet genoeg wat mij betreft om daar bijvoorbeeld een trend van te maken. Wat dat betreft klopt het technisch gezien dat verbeteringen relatief langzaam zijn ja.
  
  Dan is de vraag of de versnelde verbeteringen van de afgelopen maanden door te trekken zijn over een langere periode. Pas dan kun je zeggen dat het niet meer langzaam is en heb je wat mij betreft een betere partner.
  
  maargoed, waarschijnlijk zijn er ZO VEEL haken en ogen waar wij absoluut geen zicht op hebben dat het voor ons minder dan koffiedik kijken is.
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  14 jun 2018 - 15:13
- Rogier hier
  
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  Mijn ‘verbeteringen gaan langzaam’ slaat op het feit dat ze al ruim 3 jaar aan het werk zijn om voldoende PK’s uit hun PU te halen. Dat vind ik toch echt langzaam... dat ze de laatste races progressie maken is mooi, maar nog niet goed genoeg.
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  14 jun 2018 - 15:49
- droopz
  
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  3 jaar, maar hoeveel onder de vlag van RB ? 6 GP's... men heeft mijn insziens groter en sneller stappen gezet onder RB dan renault
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  14 jun 2018 - 15:56
- StevenQ
  
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  een band misschien, maar geen goede, ook al omdat Renault zich telkens niet aan afspraken wat betreft updates en verbetering houd.
  
  kijk ondertussen waar Hartley stond bij de topsnelheden(meerdere keren 2e) en je ziet dat Honda zeer serieus op de goede weg aan het komen is
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  14 jun 2018 - 17:10
- StevenQ
  
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  @Rogier, de verbeteringen komen bij Honda harder dan bij Renault
  
  Renault roept vooral maar komt vervolgens amper met iets
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  14 jun 2018 - 17:11
- Rotor Roos
  
  Posts: 161
  ik mis het component: Geld.
  Niet geheel onbelangrijk en ik denk dat al deze berichtgeving vanuit RB juist bedoeld is om juist dit verder te beïnvloeden.
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  14 jun 2018 - 18:39
- erikworld
  
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  Renault dus, en vanaf 2021 Porsche. Dan blijft Aston Martin ook nog 2 jaar sponsor. Honda gaat daarna naar Williams die kunnen wel wat geld gebruiken bovendien kennen die elkaar.
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  14 jun 2018 - 22:34
- M@ximumOverdrive
  
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  Met het Enorme budget wat Honda heeft en hun gekrenkte eer en de support van Red Bull, zie ik t gewoon gebeuren dat ze aan het einde van het hybride tijdperk aardig in de buurt van Ferrari zullen komen ..
  
  Renault klungelt nog aan met onderdelen uit 2016 en die 12 pk 'upgrade' is eigenlijk om te lachen ..
  Ook hebben ze al 3 jaar de tijd om een 'partymode' uit te vinden en is die ook ver te zoeken .. zoals Jos t zei : t lukt ze gewoon niet
  Daarnaast vraag ik me ook af of ze uberhoupt wel geld investeren in hun motorenontwikkeling
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  15 jun 2018 - 00:36
- Maximiliaan
  
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  Het is gewoon simpel. Renault moet nu met een significante update komen om te laten zien dat ze stappen maken. RBR heeft Honda als back-up, die willen altijd wel. Dus RBR kan Renault net zolang aan t lijntje houden als men wil. En mocht er geen update komen om zodoende RBR 'terug te pakken' benadelen ze in feite zichzelf.
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  15 jun 2018 - 09:23
schwantz34

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Poeh, we zijn weer een stuk wijzer geworden...
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- 14 jun 2018 - 14:01
- beamer e46
  
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  stap dichterbij? t zal wel een muizenstappie wezen denk....
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:57
- manuel
  
  Posts: 3.119
  Ja ze zijn weer dichterbij, omdat er weer een paar dagen verstreken zijn.
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  14 jun 2018 - 15:58
- TylaHunter
  
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  Elke dag is een stap dichter bij de deadline die zij zichzelf stellen.
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  14 jun 2018 - 16:58
Totje294

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En ondertussen inzicht krijgen in de specs van de Hondamotor... Nice!
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- 14 jun 2018 - 14:01
Snork

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Maar dan nog, als Honda nu nog minder presteert dan Renault, wat doe je dan?
Anticiperen op progressie bij Honda, met risico, of bij het oude blijven?
Ik denk dat ze hier heel objectief in zijn.
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- 14 jun 2018 - 14:04
- Pietje Bell
  
  Posts: 21.588
  Volgens Tanabe heeft Honda nu in Canada al op dezelfde hoogte als Renault gepresteerd op alle fronten. Hij wil nog twee circuits aanzien, die anders zijn, maar hij denkt zelf dat ze Renault al gepasseerd zijn. Mateschitz gaat echt niet over één nacht ijs.
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:38
- DraconianDevil
  
  Posts: 870
  @Pietje Bell 14 jun 2018 14:38
  
  STR (Gasly) een puntenloze 11e plek, achter een Sauber en een nieuwe motor afgeschreven... Gelukkig geloven de Japnners het zelf.
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:55
- JV
  
  Posts: 2.629
  Wat het ook wordt Marc Priestley heeft hier een mooie vlog over.
  www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxg6C5owzd0
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  14 jun 2018 - 15:55
- Stitch
  
  Posts: 6.063
  @JV: Dank voor de link. Ik denk dat hij op veel punten gelijk heeft. Echter ook hij doet geen definitieve uitspraak over wat het nou gaat worden. Weliswaar word het, volgens zijn doorgaans erg goed ingelichte bron de Hondamotor, maar het is nog steeds geen zekerheid.
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  14 jun 2018 - 17:11
- Opdeplank
  
  Posts: 1.193
  @Draconia; ja, als je feiten zo neerzet is het niks inderdaad, maar Gasly kwam helemaal van achter en ‘die Sauber’ doet het nog niet zo slecht.
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  14 jun 2018 - 17:41
- NicoS
  
  Posts: 16.770
  @Draconia,
  Gasley finishte voor beide Hazen en een Force India, en kwam inderdaad van de laatste
  startrij. Helemaal niet zo slecht dus.
  Sauber is ook geen lanzame auto meer, vraag maar aan Alonso.;)
  De nieuwe motor van Gasley is ook niet afgeschreven, maar ze ontdekte een probleem, en hebben hem uit voorzorg gewisseld, deze is dus nog gewoon inzetbaar.
  Zo zie je maar weer, zo slecht was het nou ook weer niet.
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  14 jun 2018 - 18:01
- Snork
  
  Posts: 18.653
  Het lijkt er bij Honda sterk op dat ze, nadat ze in 2015 met een jaar achterstand op Mercedes, Ferrari en Renault in de F1 terugkwamen, nu de definitieve koers bepaald hebben. In 2015 dachten ze nog dat het size zero concept met een compactere turbo, anders dan bijvoorbeeld Mercedes, het juiste was. McLaren zou hierdoor aerodynamisch gezien meer speelruimte hebben. Wie daar ook uiteindelijk schuld aan had (McLaren of Honda), Honda moest dat concept overboord gooien toen bleek dat ze met die compactere turbo niet de boost konden genereren die nodig was. Dus met al een jaar achterstand ging het size zero concept eind 2016 overboord en moest Honda in 2017 van scratch met een nieuw ontwerp komen. Sindsdien borduren ze daar op verder en zeggen ze nu dat ze met Torro Rosso meer ruimte krijgen om te doen wat goed is voor de motor. McLaren zou Honda daarentegen in tal van zaken beperkt hebben.
  In de Torro Rosso zien we nu twee dingen gebeuren: betrouwbaarheid is prima en ze introduceren significante updates (de veelbesproken 40pk in Canada als laatste). Tel daar bij op dat Gasly zeer te spreken was over de verbeteringen en dat de motor 0,3 sec winst zou hebben geleverd...
  Een aankondiging van samenwerking met Red Bull voor de RB15 kan een volgende grote stap zijn waarbij beide partijen hun fylosofiën van chassis en motor volledig integreren, iets wat RBR momenteel niet kan doen met Renault.
  Los van de gemeten data, die wij uiteraard niet kennen, maar op basis van bovenstaande, is een samenwerking met Honda zeer kansrijk en in mijn optiek de enige optie voor RBR om een sprong voorwaarts te maken met een écht volledig geïntegreed pakket van chassis en motor, met alle mogelijke voordelen vandien.
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  14 jun 2018 - 18:24
- Pietje Bell
  
  Posts: 21.588
  Bedankt mensen voor de reacties op @Draconian 14 jun 2018 14:55.
  Zijn/haar post was aan mij gericht, maar toen ik las op welke manier
  hij/zij de feiten weergaf en schreef:
  "Gelukkig geloven de Japnners het zelf.", besloot ik om er maar niet
  op te reageren. De zoveelste anti-Honda persoon,
  daar valt toch niet tegen te praten.
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  14 jun 2018 - 20:16
- rf
  
  Posts: 308
  Pietje Bell: Volgens Tanabe heeft Honda nu in Canada al op dezelfde hoogte als Renault gepresteerd op alle fronten. Hij wil nog twee circuits aanzien, die anders zijn, maar hij denkt zelf dat ze Renault al gepasseerd zijn. Mateschitz gaat echt niet over één nacht ijs.
  
  Volgens jou geeft Tanabe dus aan dat Honda op gelijke hoogte met Renault staat. Even later is Honda Renault gepasseerd? Of jij of Tanabe brabbelen maar wat. Ik denk het eerste...
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  15 jun 2018 - 08:57
- Snork
  
  Posts: 18.653
  Om die reden schreef ik een samenvatting van Honda sinds ze in 2015 in de F1 terug zijn. Dat helpt de historische feiten objectief te bekijken. Ik geloof erin dat ze er bij Honda in geloven. En ik denk niet dat iemand hier zit te brabbelen @RF.
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  15 jun 2018 - 13:39
- Pietje Bell
  
  Posts: 21.588
  @RF,
  Tuurlijk brabbel ik volgens jou. Hier lees zelf maar wat Tanabe heeft gezegd, neem aan dat je het wel kunt vertalen.
  
  sportiva.shueisha.(...)u_split/index_2.php
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  15 jun 2018 - 16:17
- Pietje Bell
  
  Posts: 21.588
  @RF,
  Tuurlijk brabbel ik volgens jou. Hier lees zelf maar wat Tanabe heeft gezegd, neem aan dat je het wel kunt vertalen.
  
  sportiva.shueisha.(...)sports/motorsports/
  2018/06/13/f1pu_split/index_2.php
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  15 jun 2018 - 16:18
- Pietje Bell
  
  Posts: 21.588
  Bedankt daarvoor SNORK.
  
  @RF
  Mijn link komt niet door over mijn gebrabbel @RF.
  Kijk maar op deze site. Daar staat wat Tanabe gezegd heeft.
  
  sportiva.shueisha.co.jp
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  15 jun 2018 - 16:42
beerkuh

Posts: 3.374
goh, nu vraag ik mij af hoevaak we dit weer voorbij zien komen! Popcorn iemand?
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- 14 jun 2018 - 14:05
- Stitch
  
  Posts: 6.063
  Nee dank je, ben meer van de borrelnootjes ;-)
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  14 jun 2018 - 17:12
schwantz34

Posts: 36.095
Renault heeft ook een belangrijke werknemer bij Mercedes weg weten te kapen om voor hun team te komen werken.

Matthew Harman, de man die voorheen zeventien jaar bij Mercedes werkte en recentelijk daar de verantwoordelijke was over de aandrijflijn-integratie, is door Renault aangenomen als de nieuwe plaatsvervangende hoofdontwerper.

Harman werkte voorheen als teamleider bij de motorafdeling van Mercedes in 2017. In de voorgaande jaren was hij eveneens de hoofdontwerper bij het team. Het lijkt erop dat Renault blijft investeren in mensen met waardevolle kennis die bij andere teams werkten voorheen. Wat Harman inbrengt kan waardevol zijn voor de ontwikkelingen op het vlak van krachtbron-integratie, evenals de transmissie en het chassis.

Cyril Abiteboul is tevreden over het nieuwe aanwinst van Renault: “We zijn trots dat wij iemand als Matthew mogen verwelkomen. Zijn bijdrage in de ontwerpcyclus is een cruciaal voordeel dat wij mistten sindsdien het team gekocht is”, luidt de reactie van de Renault-teambaas
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- 14 jun 2018 - 14:16
- Maximaal Verslapen
  
  Posts: 312
  Maar zo te lezen heeft Red Bull niets aan de komst van Harmann, de transmissie en chassis maken ze bij RB zelf en komt niet van Renault.
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:40
- schwantz34
  
  Posts: 36.095
  @MV Klopt, en TR maakt ook zelf de versnellingsbakken voor de Hondamotor, dus daar heeft RBR ook al een zeer goed beeld van ;)
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:54
- Rimmer
  
  Posts: 11.467
  Schwantz, RBR maakt de versnellingsbak voor STR. En dat gaat tot nu toe probleemloos.
  Honda heeft met het size zero concept nog veeel meer achterstand opgelopen dar Renault al had tov Mercedes. Desalniettemin zijn ze al op gelijke hoogte met Renault en later dit jaar gaan ze eroverheen. Het zelfs niet ondenkbaar dat de Japanners, met hun enorme budget en resources, volgend jaar hetzelfde of meer vermogen leveren dan Fer en Mer.
  RBR stapt over en laat Renault zo lang mogelijk in het ongewisse. RBR-Honda is achter de schermen al een feit.
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  14 jun 2018 - 16:15
Joeppp

Posts: 7.329
Wat is Horner zijn baan eigenlijk? De dokter bepaald de coureurs, Mateschitz de motor, Newey het chassis.
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- 14 jun 2018 - 14:16
- Makske
  
  Posts: 242
  Wijzen naar anderen als het bij Redbull niet lekker gaat. En Redbull de hemel inprijzen als het wel goed gaat. Maar niet je motorleverancier bedanken als je wk bent geworden. Alhoewel Marko ook goed in deze dingen is.
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:23
- Sieper
  
  Posts: 1.753
  Aan de pers vertellen hoe het gaat, aanspreekpunt zijn, de neuzen dezelfde kant op proberen te houden, kortom, teamleider, grotendeels een marketingfunctie.
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:27
- ontken
  
  Posts: 887
  Ric pleasen.
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:28
- NEGROIDEVERSTAPPEN
  
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  Stoer doen en er met de spice girls vandoor gaan.
  
  Goed bekeken joh!
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  14 jun 2018 - 15:15
- Snork
  
  Posts: 18.653
  Horner leidt het race-team. Al die andere heren maken de meer strategische beslissingen, waarmee Horner het moet doen.
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  14 jun 2018 - 17:25
- NEGROIDEVERSTAPPEN
  
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  Tevens doet hij een spice girl
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  15 jun 2018 - 10:41
OrangeArrows

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Gewoon bij Renault blijven. Waarom nog 2 jaar met een andere motor rijden als de regels veranderen in 2021. Zie Max voor 2021 dus geen kampioen worden in een Red Bull.
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- 14 jun 2018 - 14:17
- lenc1313
  
  Posts: 541
  zeg nooit nooit. jij weet niet wat een bull wel weet over die Honda motor.
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:37
- lenc1313
  
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  red bull
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  14 jun 2018 - 14:37
- dutchiceman
  
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  Ze zullen vast wel een helebull weten wij RBR
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  14 jun 2018 - 15:58
jarka

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Met andere woorden
Hoe houdt de Honda zich in Frankrijk tijdens de 2e race met de motor is dit voldoende dan dag Renault, men weet wat men heeft met de Renault en dat is onvoldoende voor plek 1 terwijl plek 1 het enige is wat telt voor red bull
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- 14 jun 2018 - 14:47
Guido66

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Ik denk dat RBR gwn bij Renault blijft.
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- 14 jun 2018 - 14:51
Droopy

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1x RB15 met Renault motor en 1x RB15 met Honda motor :-)
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- 14 jun 2018 - 15:04
- Maxiaans
  
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  Lol..:,)
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  14 jun 2018 - 15:09
flipjef1team

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Ik denk en hoop dat RB voor Renault kiest.
Het eerste omdat het sowieso het beste voor de komende 2 jaar, nu switchen betekend de middenmoot rijden.
Hopen doe ik zodat Raketlolly weer helemaal de plank mis slaat met zijn "max reincarnatie van Senna en na Senna de eerste WK met Honda"
Echt wat zal Raketlolly zich opvreten. :-)
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- 14 jun 2018 - 15:08
- lenc1313
  
  Posts: 541
  oké dus je gunt red bull geen titel met Honda omdat raket beest dan gelijk krijgt? apart van je dat je mensen niks gunt. je weet he wie goed doet goed ontmoet.......
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  14 jun 2018 - 16:08
- Jan Almere
  
  Posts: 3.186
  Jij maakt je drukker als RL die gelooft er heilig in en maakt zich niet druk jij wel.
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  14 jun 2018 - 16:10
- flipjef1team
  
  Posts: 946
  Lenc:
  Even Maxfantrollmodus aan:
  Nee. Ik gun RB alle WK's die ze binnen kunnen halen. Ik hoop allendat RB volgend jaar niet voor Honda kiest, dan kan Max geen jongste WK ooit met een Honda worden. Max is dan 22 als de Honda achterin de RB komt en dan duurt het weer een jaar voor hij mee kan dingen naar de WK. Dan is hij dus 23 en niet meer de jongste WK ooit, zoals Raketje al 3 jaar loopt te profeten.
  En dat gun ik Raketlolly wel!
  Maxfantrollmodus uit!
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  14 jun 2018 - 16:47
- Snork
  
  Posts: 18.653
  Flipje, laat iedereen gewoon in zijn waarde, dus ook Raket Beest. Is toch mooi dat dergelijke fans er zijn? En vermakelijk soms ook!
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  14 jun 2018 - 17:27
- Wheel2Wheel
  
  Posts: 716
  Middenmoot? Het ligt ook echt aan de motor dat RB top 3 rijd.
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  14 jun 2018 - 17:50
- NicoS
  
  Posts: 16.770
  @Flipje,
  Je hoopt dat ze bij Renault blijven, want je vreest dat wanneer RBR kampioen wordt met Honda dat Raketbeest gelijk gaat krijgen.....ja ja, het zit je zeker erg hoog allemaal.
  Waar een mens zich al niet druk om kan maken, heb je echt geen leven verder?;)
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  14 jun 2018 - 18:10
- perestijn
  
  Posts: 1.663
  Flip, en als Max het wel wordt dan hoop ik dat jij jezelf opvreet. Triest commentaar.
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  14 jun 2018 - 19:28
- Snelrondje
  
  Posts: 7.965
  Sorry @Flipje maar dat is natuurlijk maar speculatie van jou. Niemand hier heeft alle informatie en kan bepalen welke leverancier de beste is. De publieke informatie is beperkt en reken maar dat Marko en zijn team een zeer uitgebreid dossier met informatie opgemaakt hebben en daar een gedegen risicoanalyse op los laten.
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  14 jun 2018 - 21:40
schwantz34

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De derde plaats in het constructeurskampioenschap heb je, maar meer willen is natuurlijk logisch. Red Bull staat voor de keuze om te gaan voor de (relatieve) zekerheid van Renault of de gok te wagen en hopelijk met Honda een stap vooruit te zetten. Als het aan Lawrence Barretto ligt, gaat Red Bull die gok toch nemen.

De voormalige correspondent van de BBC en de huidige schrijver voor de Formule 1 zelf, denkt dat het Red Bull siert die gok te maken. “Het verschil tussen de top en de middenmoot is dermate groot, dat Red Bull in het ergste geval het derde team blijft. In alle andere scenario’s is de overstap naar Honda een vooruitgang ten opzichte van de situatie met Renault. Of ze komen er net iets dichterbij, of het geeft Red Bull de mogelijkheid elke race te vechten voor de overwinning. Er kleeft een risico aan, maar ik denk dat Red Bull de gok gaat wagen.”
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- 14 jun 2018 - 18:55
f1 benelux

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Ik ga wrs heel wat tegenwind krijgen hier maar ik hoop dat Renault zich terugtrekt en RBR geen keuze meer kan maken. Er is altijd heel wat te doen geweest dat McLaren geen faire partner geweest is tov Honda maar RBR doet net hetzelfde met Renault.. Eigenlijk interesseert het me nog heel weinig... Ben fan van de F1 sinds 1979, toen ik met pa naar Zolder ging en de sensatie door m'n lijf gierde. Da's allemaal ver weg in deze tijd. Alle topics de laatste tijd kunnen voor mij zo in de Story of de Privé (bestaat die rotzooi trouwens nog?) Zelden zo'n saai begin gezien van een sportjaar dan dit seizoen!! Enjoy the American show guys, I'm out!! Ik hoop voor jullie dat Max het nog heel ver kan schoppen.. Intussen zet ik me klaar voor de Rode Duivels - no nonsense, no bullshit... Cheers!!
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- 14 jun 2018 - 20:30
- NicoS
  
  Posts: 16.770
  Waarom zou je tegenwind krijgen als je de F1 niet meer gaat volgen, en volledig gaat richten op de rode duivels?
  Mijn zegen heb je, veel plezier met het voetbal. Ik hoop dat ze ver komen.
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  14 jun 2018 - 23:19
erikworld

Posts: 927
Die laatste alinea is interessant. Niet het team maakt de keuze maar de Red Bull eigenaar Mateschitz. Van het team is bekend dat ze de Franse slag van Renault moe zijn, dus een frisse partner zien in Honda. Mateschitz kan het vanuit korte termijn en ook lange termijn wel heel iets anders willen. Op de korte termijn is het zo dat Red Bull weer GP's weet te winnen, dus Renault. Op de lange termijn kan de aandacht we eens naar Porsche gaan die ook in gesprek zijn met Red Bull. En ik heb ook wel eens berichten gelezen dat Red Bull over een jaar of 5 ermee op houdt en het team aan Horner wil overdoen met een Aston Martin/Cosworth motor. Mateschitz en ook Marko zijn ook de jongste niet meer. Hoe pakt dat uit? en stond Torro Rosso ook niet al eens te koop. Is dat iets voor de Japanners? Ik ben benieuwd.
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- 14 jun 2018 - 22:54
- M@ximumOverdrive
  
  Posts: 6.934
  Ik weet niet of dat financieel haalbare kaart is , ik weet niet hoeveel mateschitz ieder jaar erbij lapt bij Red Bull maar dat lijkt me niet maar een 'paar miljoen'
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  15 jun 2018 - 00:42
- Hella
  
  Posts: 66
  Die Mateschit kan ook wel rekenen: Een goede rijke honda partner en enkele Red Bulltjes meer verkocht in Japan. Win-Win.
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  15 jun 2018 - 01:02
Pherocks

Posts: 610
Om een motor te ontwikkelen in deze tijd is extreme expertise nodig.

Hoe deze motoren in elkaar steken vergeleken met alle andere motoren is gewoon schandalig en alleen de fabrieken met de beste engineers ter wereld kunnen een poging wagen.

Als je ziet dat Honda in een paar jaar tijd meer dan 1.5 miljard heeft geinvesteerd dan zegt dat genoeg over hoe idioot de sport is geworden en dan vooral zeggen dt het allemaal goedkoper moet....

Renault lijkt al 2 of 3 jaar stil te staan, terwijl Honda van heel ver is gekomen met een partner die haar constant voor rotte vis uitmaakte en daarmee ook de werkdruk ongelooflijk hoog heeft gelegd en de liefde voor elkaar totaal vernietigd is.

Nu zie je ook per direct hoe het wel kan met een team als Toro Rosso dat Honda alle ruimte geeft.

Ik zeg dat het volgend jaar Red Bull Racing Honda wordt want wat heeft Red Bull nu nog te verliezen ?

3de blijven rijden terwijl Ferrari / Mercedes te overwinningen delen of een gok wagen en proberen omhoog te klimmen ?

Welke keuze Red Bull ook maakt het wordt een gok want 2021 staat ook zo voor de deur en dan worden alle kaarten weer geschud en begint de stoelendans een beetje opnieuw.
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- 15 jun 2018 - 08:27
- erikworld
  
  Posts: 927
  Ik zou graag zien dat Honda Williams oppakt, dat mooie team kan wel een sterke financiele partner gebuiken. En Torro Rosso gewoon weer met Renault en McLAren gewoon weer met Mercedes en dat Force India het B team van Mercedes wordt. Maar ja ik heb het niet voor het zeggen.
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  15 jun 2018 - 10:42

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