Abiteboul boos dat 'domme' bandenregel uit kwalificatie blijft bestaan

  • Gepubliceerd op 09 dec 2019 16:53
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  • Door: Bjorn Smit

Cyril Abiteboul ergert zich flink aan de gang van zaken in de Formule 1. Deze keer baalt hij ervan dat concurrerende teams weigeren om de regel te schrappen waarmee bepaald wordt dat de coureurs in de top 10 van de kwalificatie de race moeten starten op de band waarmee ze reden in Q2.

Inmiddels is het al enkele jaren gebruikelijk dat de coureurs in de top 10 van de kwalificatie de race moeten aanvangen op de banden waarmee ze in Q2 hun snelste ronde reden. Voor topteams Red Bull, Ferrari en Mercedes maakte dit niet veel uit: zij waren vaak met zo'n grote afstand de snelsten dat zij in Q2 konden rijden op mediums, waardoor zij die race konden aanvangen op die band.

De overige coureurs die zich voor Q3 kwalificeerden, werden echter gedwongen om de starten op de zachtste bandencompound. In 2019 bleek die band echter regelmatig niet te passen in de optimale strategie, waardoor coureurs van buiten de top 10 een betere strategie konden kiezen en daardoor uiteindelijk hun concurrenten konden passeren.

'Eerst leek iedereen in te stemmen, tot de stemronde kwam'

Renault was hier regelmatig het slachtoffer van en dat was ook in Abu Dhabi weer het geval. Beide coureurs van het team startten vanuit de top 10, maar eindigden de race buiten de punten. Abiteboul ergert zich aan de regel zelf, maar ook aan het feit dat de topteams en hun 'satellietteams' weigeren om mee te werken aan de afschaffing van die regel.

"We zagen wederom een demonstratie van die suffe regel dat je moet starten op de softs, wat zo'n voordeel geeft aan de jongens achter je", vertelde Abiteboul aan Motorsport.com. "In de Strategy Group stemde iedereen ermee in om dit te laten vervallen. Zodra het op de stemming aankwam, leken alle samenzweringen weer terug te komen, en dat vind ergerlijk."

"Er was een lobby van de topteams en hun juniorteams om de verandering tegen te houden, omdat het een regel is die bedacht is door de topteams om ze te beschermen. Ik denk niet dat ze het nodig hebben, maar het is een extra bescherming. Het is ook iets dat de klantenteams of samenwerkende teams helpt, terwijl de 'middenklasse' er de dupe van wordt."

"Meestal zijn wij en McLaren dat. In alle eerlijkheid hebben wij er ook voordeel van gehad als we buiten de top 10 startten - in Mexico en op Suzuka bijvoorbeeld. Het is echter niet zo dat we het moeten behouden omdat het soms in ons voordeel is. Het is een domme regel en die moet weg. Niemand doet er iets aan en ik erger mij eraan dat het weer gebeurt."

Pappous

Posts: 846

Ben het volledig met Cyril eens, er mogen van mij wel veel meer van die gekunstelde regeltjes verdwijnen.

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  • 9 dec 2019 - 17:35

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  • Met Renault als 5e team, en in theorie dus de 9e en 10e plek op de grid, zullen ze er daar altijd het meeste last van hebben inderdaad. Ben benieuwd of Abeteboul ook dit standpunt zou hebben als 'ie bij STR of Racingpoint oid zou werken...
    Verder wel met 'm eens overigens: dit is weer eens één van die kunstmatige regeltjes van de FIA die eerst wel een goed idee leken, maar inmiddels allang uitgewerkt zijn en alleen maar lastig geworden.

    • + 5
    • 9 dec 2019 - 17:03
    • Hij heeft ook al aangegeven dat ze er ook wel eens voordeel van hebben en het alsnog een stomme regel vindt.

      • + 0
      • 10 dec 2019 - 01:06
    • Stitch

      Posts: 6.063

      In 98 procent van de keren dat Arie Bietenboel wat roept ben ik het er niet mee eens. Dit keer echter wel. Het klopt gewoon dat dit de snellere teams helpt om verder bij de "concurrentie" weg te lopen. En het klopt inderdaad, dat deze regel op de nominatie stond om te verdwijnen. Evenals het veto van Ferrari overigens, wat ze inmiddels ook weer hebben teruggedraaid. Het lijkt erg op een aantal alibie-acities, die men voor het oog van het volk roept, om ze daarna stilletjes weer terug te draaien... Jammer.

      • + 0
      • 10 dec 2019 - 09:00
    • Zucht

      Posts: 768

      @stitch Verwacht je dat 'snellere teams' bij afschaffing last gaan krijgen van Renault? Het zijn de middenmoot teams die last hebben van de regels en het zijn de snellere teams die hiermee soms kunnen spelen met hun strategie.

      • + 0
      • 10 dec 2019 - 13:11
    • Het hele bandenreglement slaat nergens op, achterlijk gedoe in kwali met die compounds. Zelfde met de verplichte 2 compounds gebruiken; afschaffen die hap, laat ze het lekker zelf uitzoeken.

      • + 1
      • 10 dec 2019 - 15:22
  • 919

    Posts: 2.372

    "Meestal zijn wij en McLaren dat."

    Ach gossie, wat zielig... Je zou er bijna medelijden mee krijgen.

    • + 1
    • 9 dec 2019 - 17:27
  • Pappous

    Posts: 846

    Ben het volledig met Cyril eens, er mogen van mij wel veel meer van die gekunstelde regeltjes verdwijnen.

    • + 6
    • 9 dec 2019 - 17:35
  • MGF1999

    Posts: 97

    Renault kan dat toch makkelijk compenseren met die fantastische motor van ze.

    • + 4
    • 9 dec 2019 - 17:35
  • laat alleen de top 3 in Q2 verplicht op de harde band starten tijdens de race. Ook kunstmatig, maar veel uitdagender qua strategie voor de topteams.

    • + 0
    • 9 dec 2019 - 17:36
    • Of in Q3

      • + 0
      • 9 dec 2019 - 17:43
    • Successtraffen zijn de nekslag voor elke sport. Naar mijn mening zou kwalificatie alleen om snelheid moeten gaan. Strategie is voor zondag.

      • + 1
      • 9 dec 2019 - 20:23
  • Kevin

    Posts: 5.294

    Dan moet je een betere auto bouwen waarmee je de top 3 bestrijden kan. Hoef je je ook niet druk te maken om een Haas.

    • + 0
    • 9 dec 2019 - 17:49
  • nr 76

    Posts: 5.642

    Helemaal mee eens. Op deze manier worden teams juist gestraft met het behalen van Q3. Dat is de omgekeerde wereld.

    • + 2
    • 9 dec 2019 - 18:36
  • PTK2000

    Posts: 40

    Renault kan Q2 toch ook op mediums rijden? Strategische keuze...

    • + 2
    • 9 dec 2019 - 19:53
    • Trulla

      Posts: 1.423

      Dan sta je op plaats 14 en 15, en strijd je iedere race normaliter om de 10e plek.

      • + 1
      • 9 dec 2019 - 20:08
    • Rvb1979

      Posts: 1.132

      #trulla maar als je in de race ze voorbij gaat door de betere stategie dan win je de punten en niet de kwali . Plus als maar vaak genoeg zo de punten weg pikt gaat de rest het vanzelf ook doen en heeft ook zijn zin . Maar het gekke is dat dan de gene die op de zachtere voor hun start er el voor blijven ondanks de "slechter" stragegie zijn gewoon weer smoesje voor het bouwen van een slechte auto . Word een beetje moe van zijn gebluf en dan weer de smoesjes

      • + 0
      • 9 dec 2019 - 22:31
  • Trulla

    Posts: 1.423

    Wat mij betreft heeft hij helemaal gelijk. Deze regel is er gekomen om de top teams onder druk te zetten, zodat ze bij de eerste pitstop in het verkeer van de 20e tot 11e coureur komen en het gat tussen de middenmoot en top kleiner te maken. Maar dat heeft helemaal niet gewerkt, naast dus het feit dat ze regelmatig gewoon op een hardere band in Q2 kunnen kwalificeren, zijn ze zoveel sneller, dat ze ook op de zachtste banden snel genoeg om een gat te slaan dat groot genoeg is voor een pitstop.

    De topteams hebben er geen last van, enkel de kwalificeerders op plaats 7 t/m 10, even er vanuit gaande dat Ferrari, Mercedes en Red Bull de eerste 6 plaatsen vullen. En dat komt de topteams ook nog eens erg goed uit. 7 t/m 10 komt in het overbevolkte middenveld terecht, dus hebben ze vrijwel nooit druk van die teams, terwijl hun satelliet teams er wel profijt van hebben.

    • + 5
    • 9 dec 2019 - 20:02
    • Snork

      Posts: 18.653

      Mee eens Trulla. Ik ben het vaak niet eens met Abiteblabla, maar hier heeft hij gewoon een terecht punt.

      • + 1
      • 9 dec 2019 - 21:06
  • Als we nou eens voor de gein die hele Q1/Q2/Q3 schifting eruit knikkeren?

    Laat iedereen een uur lang rondjes rijden wanneer ze willen. Het setje waar ze de snelste tijd mee hebben neergezet moeten ze mee starten, ongeacht of ze bij de snelste 10 zitten of niet.

    • + 0
    • 9 dec 2019 - 22:06
    • CTRA

      Posts: 4.040

      Leuk hoor 10 minuten actie op de baan. Denk je werkelijk dat er teams een uur lang gaan rijden.

      • + 2
      • 9 dec 2019 - 23:57
    • Dit komt aardig overeen met een aantal jaren kwalificatie in het verleden. Men wacht redelijk tot het einde van de kwalificatie om een run te maken. Dit heeft met baanevolutie van doen.

      • + 0
      • 10 dec 2019 - 01:35
    • @Need5Speed

      Hierdoor was de kwalificatie jááaren lang vreselijk saai. Bijna een uur stilte.

      "Als we nou eens voor de gein die hele Q1/Q2/Q3 schifting eruit knikkeren?"

      • + 0
      • 10 dec 2019 - 12:29
    • Het verschil met vroeger is dat je de banden waarop je gekwalificeerd hebt ook in de race moet gebruiken.
      Dan krijg je een strategisch kat-en-muis spel tussen de topteams. Tot het laatst toe kan iemand dreigen een snellere ronde neer te zetten en die toch afbreken, of juist doorzetten. Daar moeten de anderen dan weer op reageren.

      • + 0
      • 11 dec 2019 - 09:33
    • Daarbij, nu is het zeker niet een uur lang spannend. Zouden ze wel door Q1 en Q2 komen? Gaap.
      Ik neem de kwalificatie nu vaak op en kijk 'm met af en toe doorspoelen.

      • + 0
      • 11 dec 2019 - 09:36
    • CTRA

      Posts: 4.040

      Als je alleen voor je favoriet kijkt is het niet spanbend.
      Ik vind het wel spannend wie Q2 haalt.

      • + 0
      • 11 dec 2019 - 19:27
  • Iedereen schrikt zich lam......Cyril zegt iets zinnigs.

    • + 1
    • 9 dec 2019 - 23:09
    • Ik dus

      Posts: 950

      Zegt iets zinnigs ?
      Ik heb er eigenlijk nog nooit iets zinnig uit horen komen.
      Wel veel onzinnig geroeptoeter
      Hij was het toch die zei (dit jaar al) mee te strijden voor het podium ?
      Misschien moet hij eens niet zeuren maar eindelijk zorgen dat ze eens een betere wagen bouwen, dat lijkt me een stuk zinniger.
      Zij klantenteam gaat immers menigmaal sneller, dus laat i daar eindelijk maar eens wat aan gaan doen.

      • + 0
      • 10 dec 2019 - 02:51
  • ringo

    Posts: 3.629

    de Q2 banden regel is wel iets strategisch... dat bepaald nu eenmaal de race, maarja je kan het ook simpel jhouden, je moet starten met je snelste band :) de gemiddelde snelle tijd van 3 sessies zou ook wel tof zijn, om de teams een push te geven om alle Q's snel te zijn en niet strategisch achterhouden in de Q's ..

    • + 0
    • 9 dec 2019 - 23:50
  • Ik zie het probleem niet zo, het is toch het zelfde voor iedereen in de top 10. Moeten ze maar zorgen dat ze de auto op orde hebben.
    Ondanks dat het kunstmatig is vind ik het wel leuk dat de (mogelijke) top 10 in Q2 al strategische beslissingen moet maken, het zorgt wel voor een extra stukje spanning.

    • + 0
    • 10 dec 2019 - 07:19
    • nr 76

      Posts: 5.642

      Het probleem is juist dat het niet voor iedereen hetzelfde is, en dat je door beter te kwalificeren juist nadeel ondervindt

      • + 1
      • 10 dec 2019 - 07:51
  • WilcoF1

    Posts: 96

    Ik zie het voor de teams als extra uitdaging om de juiste keuzes te maken. Voor de coureur is het noodzaak het beste uit die situatie te halen om het te laten werken.

    Het moet niet te makkelijk worden zal ik maar zeggen.

    Waarom roepen veel mensen dat het een kunstmatig probleem is? Het echte probleem zijn de constante regel wijzigingen voor de teams. Kijk nu naar het middenveld! Qua punten dicht bij elkaar. We hebben races gehad waar bij het middenveld dicht op elkaar zit! Prachtig toch!.

    Ik denk dat 2020 spannend gaat worden en als dat uitkomt zou het jammer zijn om zoveel kosten te maken aan een nieuwe type auto.

    Fijne avond allen!

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    • 10 dec 2019 - 17:17

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