Mercedes stelt eisen voor goede installatie van motor

  • Gepubliceerd op 20 feb 2021 11:37
  • comments 23
  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Toen McLaren maandag zijn nieuwe auto onthulde, sprak technisch directeur James Key over hoe efficiënt de installatie-eisen waren voor de Mercedes-krachtbron in vergelijking met het Renault-pakket. Dit is een heel belangrijk punt. Het Britse team is deze winter overgestapt van de Franse naar de Duitse krachtbron.

In werkelijkheid is de manier waarop de motor wordt geïnstalleerd in de auto, en de auto hier omheen ontworpen, een deel van de het succes van Mercedes in de huidige Formule 1. Mercedes realiseerde zich eerder dan wie ook dat het huidige pakket een complete eenheid is en hoe beter het chassis en de verschillende onderdelen van de motor zijn geïntegreerd, hoe efficiënter het pakket zal zijn.

De dagen dat gewoon je als team het beste pakket maakt en de motor aan de auto vastmaakt en op die manier de beste auto bouwt zijn voorbij, zo stellen F1-experts.

Vade

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@Stoffelman,

Ten eerste: je weet toch het verschil tussen RBR zelf en fans neem ik aan?
Ten tweede: RBR had voor Honda geen keuze om fabrieksteam te zijn, dus als je dan toch de "keuze" moest maken tussen Renault, Ferrari en Mercedes, zou Mercedes het mees logisch zijn, maar die wilde niet lever... [Lees verder]

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  • 20 feb 2021 - 12:56

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  • jd2000

    Posts: 6.646

    Zo hoog kunnen die eisen niet zijn,kijkend naar Williams....

    • + 0
    • 20 feb 2021 - 11:59
    • Maar ja, die is dan ondanks een mercedes motor niet vooruit te branden.

      En omdat het op elkaar moet passen wil RBR ook geen klantenteam zijn.

      • + 0
      • 20 feb 2021 - 12:22
    • @ Freek-Willem

      Waarom janken de RBR fans dan al jaren dat Mercedes niet durft leveren?
      Op die manier zijn ze toch ook klantenteam.

      • + 5
      • 20 feb 2021 - 12:34
    • 4mula1

      Posts: 394

      Hoe specifiek die eisen precies zijn verteld het artikel niet helemaal.
      Om dan een niet in het artikel benoemd team te minachten, zonder ook nog eens hun exacte problemen te kennen zeg je genoeg maar feitelijk niets.

      • + 2
      • 20 feb 2021 - 12:50
    • Vade

      Posts: 3.586

      @Stoffelman,

      Ten eerste: je weet toch het verschil tussen RBR zelf en fans neem ik aan?
      Ten tweede: RBR had voor Honda geen keuze om fabrieksteam te zijn, dus als je dan toch de "keuze" moest maken tussen Renault, Ferrari en Mercedes, zou Mercedes het mees logisch zijn, maar die wilde niet leveren.

      Nu RBR een goede krachtbron heeft aan de Honda, de engine freeze een jaar eerder van toepassing is en ze bouwen aan een eigen fabriek voor de motoren voor na 2025, heeft RBR de Mercedes helemaal niet meer nodig en willen ze dat ook helemaal niet meer.

      Dus je poging om de populist uit te hangen is meer dan mislukt.

      • + 15
      • 20 feb 2021 - 12:56
    • @Vade

      Zelfs als ze de Honda motoren overnemen zijn ze geen fabrieksteam.
      Ze hebben dan wel een eigen motor te onderhouden, maar het maakt ze nog steeds geen fabrieksteam.

      Mijn vraag blijft dus staan, zonder populist te hoeven zijn.

      • + 8
      • 20 feb 2021 - 13:07
    • @Stoffelman, je beredenering gaat niet op. Een klantenteam kan de integratie niet op het level van Mercedes, Ferrari en Alpine realiseren omdat de motor en chassis apart ontwikkeld worden. In ontwerpfase Krijgt de chassisbouwer minder informatie en is het motorontwerp primair op het eigen team afgestemd. De Honda pu is wel afgestemd met Red Bull. Juist de integratie heeft 2020 veel aandacht gehad.

      • + 3
      • 20 feb 2021 - 14:41
    • @snelrondje

      Hoeveel aandacht je er ook aan besteed, het maakt niet dat je een fabrieksteam wordt.
      RBR wordt pas een fabrieksteam als het zelf een motor ontwikkeld en integreert.
      Dus de redenering blijft staan.

      • + 4
      • 20 feb 2021 - 15:41
    • Vade

      Posts: 3.586

      @Stoffelman,

      En waar is RBR nu mee bezig? Precies ja, ontwikkelingen om zelf vanaf 2025 met een eigen motor te kunnen meedoen.

      Dus nogmaals, ze hebben Mercedes niet nodig en ook nogmaals, wat RBR fans roepen doet er verder niet toe. Het gaat erom wat RBR zelf wilt en doet.

      • + 2
      • 20 feb 2021 - 16:03
    • @ Vade

      Nee, RBR is niet bezig met ontwikkelen van een motor.
      Honda ontwikkeld de motor, om deze over te dragen aan RBR.
      Da's net iets anders dan fabrieksteam zijn.
      Dat ze Mercedes niet nodig hebben is een andere zaak natuurlijk.

      • + 3
      • 20 feb 2021 - 16:40
    • Vade

      Posts: 3.586

      Stoffelman, dan zou ik nog maar eens het nieuws lezen over wat ze na 2025 willen doen...En daar zijn ze nu al voor bezig...

      • + 3
      • 20 feb 2021 - 18:30
    • @Stoffelman, de RBR fans janken niet dat Mercedes niet wil leveren. Dat is onzin. Er zijn ongetwijfeld fans die dat doen maar jij suggereert dat alle fans dat doen. En dat is onzin.

      • + 3
      • 20 feb 2021 - 19:55
    • @stoffelman,
      Fans zullen altijd enigzins gekleurd zijn in hun mening.
      Maar als klantenream sta je hoogst waarschijnlijk nirt bovenaan het lijstje met de wensen/eisen over inpassen van het ontwerp. Dat is hoe ik tegen klantenteamnzijn aankijk.
      Met de Honda motor zitten ze daar dichter op dan als klant bij een ander team.

      En natuurlijk zijn ze volgend jaar geen gabrieksteam, maar ook niet een echt kantenteam.

      En voor wat betreft het 'janken' van RBR fans, is het denk ik meer de 'angst' van Mercedes en Ferrari waar men tegen ageert.

      • + 1
      • 20 feb 2021 - 19:57
    • amx151

      Posts: 307

      Williams koopt alleen de motor .
      De versnellingsbak en ophanging maken ze zelf .

      • + 0
      • 21 feb 2021 - 12:55
    • Rvb1979

      Posts: 1.132

      @stoffelmans het antwoord op jou vraag is vrij simpel . Die fans waar jij het over hebt vinden het gewoonweg niet erg als redbull geen fabrieksteam is als er een mercedes motor in komt . Maar dat had je zelf ook wel kunnen verzinnen toch?

      • + 0
      • 21 feb 2021 - 23:00
    • FredericS

      Posts: 739

      @Vade,

      RBR is nog niet bezig met de periode na 2025 aangezien de specificatie's voor dan nog niet gekend zijn. Als ze een nieuwe autofabrikant vinden die bereid hebben in de F1 te stappen gaan ze gewoon de volledige inboedel verkopen voor een mooi prijsje.

      • + 0
      • 22 feb 2021 - 12:08
    • Vade

      Posts: 3.586

      @FredericS

      Klopt wat je zegt, maar is er geen interessante partner, kunnen en willen ze het wel zelf gaan doen met alle voorbereidingen en ontwikkelingen waar ze nu mee bezig zijn.,

      Dus het statement blijft staan: ze hebben Mercedes niet meer nodig.

      • + 0
      • 22 feb 2021 - 12:29
  • regel 1: Onze motor mag onder geen beding ondersteboven gemonteerd worden.
    regel 2: Als je regel 1 volgt ben je goed bezig.

    • + 5
    • 20 feb 2021 - 12:44
    • nr 76

      Posts: 5.642

      Kan het zijn dat Williams deze memo gemist heeft?

      • + 3
      • 20 feb 2021 - 17:32
  • Ik zou zeggen geef eens een voorbeeld........vaag geklets hoor ik al van onze ministers.

    • + 0
    • 20 feb 2021 - 15:42
  • Skimi

    Posts: 913

    Ben ik te simpel als ik er vanuit ging dat een motor een set bevestiginspunten had die x kracht en trilling moeten kunnen dragen en bevestigd moesten worden met bout x y en z? Een soort ikea handleiding voor gevorderden waar de kast nog omheen gebouwd moest worden? Als de ophanginsstructuur maar rigide genoeg is zodat deze geen resonantie doorgeeft
    Kan me voorstellen dat de totale infrastructuur van koelingen, bedrading etc wel de werking van de motor kan beinvloeden.

    • + 3
    • 20 feb 2021 - 20:46
    • Je bent zeker geen simpele @Skimi ;) Zowel voor de motor als de versnellingsbak heeft de FIA tot op de millimeter bepaald waar de 4 bevestigingsp.nten op het chassis moeten komen te zitten. Deze zijn voor elke fabrikant, en klantenteam uiteraard exact hetzelfde.

      • + 3
      • 20 feb 2021 - 21:14
    • Dat bedoel ik dus.....er valt voor een ontwerper aan de achterkant weinig te varieren, en als je ook de bak koopt nog minder. Zelfs de koeling zal voorgeschreven zijn of wordt misschien ook erbij geleverd dus.

      • + 0
      • 21 feb 2021 - 14:16

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