Shovlin klaagt over kerbs Qatar: "Het is nogal bizar"

  • Gepubliceerd op 24 nov 2021 10:04
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  • Door: Bob Plaizier

De Grand Prix van Qatar werd afgelopen weekend ontsierd door veel lekke banden en auto's die zware schade opliepen toen ze even naast de baan belandden. Als schuldige voor deze problemen wees men al snel naar de kerbstones op het Losail International Circuit.

Bij het team van Mercedes denken ze wel te weten waar het aan ligt. Topengineer Andrew Shovlin legt het uit aan Motorsport.com: "Het is best vreemd. Het probleem is dat de kerbs heel erg vlak zijn, hierdoor kunnen de coureurs er vol overheen rijden. Als men dat doet dan zit de voorvleugel vrij dicht bij de grond en raakt hij deze soms even. De banden krijgen ook een enorme klap."

Shovlin had dan ook liever gezien dat er andere kerbs aanwezig waren: "Het is nogal bizar. Als de kerbs agressiever waren geweest, dan was het waarschijnlijk makkelijker voor de auto's en de banden. Maar het feit was dat je er vol overheen kon. Dat was ook het snelste dus dan moet je dat ook doen. Daar ligt het risico."

d@nny

Posts: 3.226

Of je blijft binnen de witte lijntjes?

Gezeik over curbs etc loopt de spuigaten uit. Stel toch eens een simpele regel op als FIA zijnde. de track limits zijn de witte lijnen, altijd. Het staat notabene in de regels!

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  • 24 nov 2021 - 10:31

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  • Snork

    Posts: 18.653

    Wat Pirelli zei is dat de lekke banden een combinatie waren van het vol over de kerbs rijden waarbij de voorvleugel stukjes carbon verliest (scherpe losse deeltjes) en het lang doorrijden op dezelfde band. Daarnaast begreep ik dat de kerbs vlak zijn, maar wel een relatief scherp knikje, wat voor de banden slecht zou zijn.
    Ik denk niet dat Pirelli slechte banden heeft, je ziet dit fenomeen echter wel op bepaalde circuits vaker voorkomen. Baku was ook zo'n voorbeeld, waarschijnlijk ook door scherpe carbondeeltjes die op het circuit lagen.

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    • 24 nov 2021 - 10:13
  • d@nny

    Posts: 3.226

    Of je blijft binnen de witte lijntjes?

    Gezeik over curbs etc loopt de spuigaten uit. Stel toch eens een simpele regel op als FIA zijnde. de track limits zijn de witte lijnen, altijd. Het staat notabene in de regels!

    • + 4
    • 24 nov 2021 - 10:31
    • SennaS

      Posts: 6.005

      Deels eens,
      Je hebt het dus in eigen hand en daarom moeten de curbs zo goed als identiek zijn en kan je als coureur het risico nemen of niet.

      • + 0
      • 24 nov 2021 - 12:57
    • d@nny

      Posts: 3.226

      De curbs zijn voor elke coureur identiek (alleen verschillen ze wel per circuit :-)) maar ik begrijp natuurlijk wat je bedoelt en kan ik me een klein beetje in vinden echter dit zijn de regels:

      "Drivers must make every reasonable effort to use the track at all times and may not leave the track without a justifiable reason.

      Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not."

      En dan gaan ze per race vaststellen in welke bocht op track limits gecontroleerd word. Dat is een beetje vreemd want de regels hebben de track limits al vastgesteld.

      Het is zo makkelijk en de FIA maakt het zo moeilijk.

      • + 0
      • 25 nov 2021 - 12:04
  • Dat krijg je nou als je op een MotoGP baan gaat racen.
    Die banen zijn nou eenmaal ingericht voor motorfietsen.
    Geen probleem zolang je maar rekening houdt met deze karakteristieken.
    Dus, hoe verleidelijk ook, blijf van de curbstones af met je F1 bolide.
    (of aanvaar de eventuele gevolgen)
    Deze curbs liggen niet voor niets aan de verkeerde kant van de witte lijntjes (lees; buiten de baan!)

    Al dat gemauw elke keer.

    • + 1
    • 24 nov 2021 - 10:36
    • Les Combes

      Posts: 24

      Het is toegelaten met twee wielen over de witte lijn te rijden, tenzij je tevreden bent met rondetijden die een seconde ofzo trager zijn, dan doe je dat natuurlijk niet

      • + 0
      • 24 nov 2021 - 11:48
    • @LesCombes, dat zeg ik toch?
      Zodra je ervoor kiest om via de curbstones een kortere lijn te kiezen dien je ook de eventuele gevolgen daarvan te dragen.

      • + 1
      • 24 nov 2021 - 11:55
  • Mr.Rofl

    Posts: 776

    Zoiets bericht kan ook alleen maar van zeurteam Mercedes komen. Die curbs zijn voor iedere auto hetzelfde, en niemand verplicht je om er overheen te rijden.

    • + 0
    • 24 nov 2021 - 11:22
    • Tja, zij hadden natuurlijk ook een Bottas met een lekke band waardoor ze werden geraakt.

      • + 1
      • 24 nov 2021 - 11:39
  • Hebben jullie al gehoord dat de W12 een Diva is die heel moeilijk af te stellen is?
    En dat Lewis verteld heeft waardoor die enorme sprong in vermogen tussen twee races ineens vandaan kwam?
    En hoe hij over zijn gevechten met Max denkt?


    Lewis: "Deze auto is een monster van een diva. Het is moeilijker geweest om de juiste set-up voor de auto te vinden.
    Als je de auto niet juist afstelt, beperk je gewoon je potentieel. Ik kan mijn prestaties niet maximaliseren, omdat de set-up niet juist is
    en het was erg moeilijk om de auto op de juiste plaats te krijgen."

    In Brazilië reed Hamilton een geweldige race na een diskwalificatie en een gridstraf op de zondag. "Ik kreeg de wagen precies waar ik hem wilde hebben.
    Het was alsof ik letterlijk de spijker op de kop sloeg. Dat hebben we dit jaar misschien één of twee keer gedaan.
    De meeste keren hebben we hem niet geoptimaliseerd", aldus de Brit.

    Over Max: "Nu ik wat ouder ben, kan ik hun karakters beter doorgronden en de achtergronden ook meer bekijken. Dat draait uiteindelijk allemaal om opvoeding. Onze opvoeding bepaalt namelijk hoe we ons gedragen, goed of slecht. Op die manier probeer ik dus het karakter te begrijpen van degene waarmee ik race."
    "Ik wil een pure racer zijn, dat is in ieder geval zoals mijn vader me heeft opgevoed. Hij zei altijd 'praat op het circuit in plaats van ernaast'.
    Als kind ben ik gepest, zowel op school als ook op de kartbaan. Juist daardoor wilden we op de goede manier winnen, niet door te botsen met andere rijders. Anders konden tegenstanders altijd nog zeggen 'hij heeft weliswaar gewonnen, maar dit en dit is gebeurd en dat is zijn hele tactiek'. Daardoor wil ik een pure racer zijn, iemand die wint op basis van zijn snelheid, hard werken en vastberadenheid. Dan kan niemand later ontkennen wat ik heb bereikt."

    In Silverstone en Monza wel degelijk verkeerd is gegaan. "Maar als je aan de binnenkant zit, dan is het iets anders. En er zijn ook echt scenario's geweest waarin ik voor mijn gevoel in mijn recht stond. Kijk de beelden van Silverstone nog maar eens terug. Mijn voorwiel zat daar naast zijn voorwiel, het was niet zo dat mijn voorwiel pas ter hoogte van zijn achterwiel zat".
    "Als je aan de buitenkant zit, dan is het bijna altijd een verstandige optie om je even terug te trekken uit zo'n gevecht, om in ieder geval het einde van de race te halen."

    Bron MSP en BBC.

    • + 1
    • 24 nov 2021 - 13:00
    • Dat gevoel had ik ook wel, gelet op de VT's, en dat de Red Bull nu makkelijker af te stellen is. Maar... het feit dat hem de krachtigere motor wordt beloofd door het team spreekt dan tegen dat het alleen aan het afstellen ligt. Maar het kan uiteraard zijn dat hij net na die motor erin te hebben gekregen de afstelling ook goed krijgt.

      Hoe dan ook zou men van de GOAT verwachten dat hij beter is in het vinden van afstellingen. :op

      disclaimer: ik geloof niet in een GOAT omdat je dat simpelweg niet kan bepalen.

      • + 0
      • 24 nov 2021 - 15:38

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