Hamilton denkt te weten waarom Red Bull tegenvalt: "Misschien werken ze aan 2024"

  • Gepubliceerd op 18 sep 2023 12:39
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  • Door: Bob Plaizier

In Singapore ging de zege voor het eerst dit seizoen niet naar een Red Bull Racing-coureur. In de straten van de Aziatische stadsstaat ging de zege naar Carlos Sainz. De Spanjaard hield de Britten Lando Norris en Lewis Hamilton achter zich. Laatst genoemde denkt dat de terugval van Red Bull te maken heeft met het ontwikkelingsproces.

Red Bull Racing wist tot dit weekend alle Grands Prix in 2023 te winnen. In Singapore zakte de Oostenrijkse renstal echter volledig door het ijs. Max Verstappen en Sergio Perez werden allebei al in Q2 uitgeschakeld en in de race kwamen ze met de nodige moeite naar voren. Niemand wist wat er precies aan de hand was bij Red Bull, wel verwacht men dat ze aankomend weekend in Suzuka weer kunnen meevechten om de zege.

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Ook Lewis Hamilton wist niet precies wat er aan de hand was bij de concurrent. De Britse Mercedes-coureur werd er tijdens de persconferentie voor de top drie naar gevraagd. Hij tastte in eerste instantie in het duister: "Ik heb niet echt naar de andere teams gekeken dit weekend, dus ik weet niet precies waarom ze minder pace hebben. Ik denk dat het prachtig is om te zien dat andere teams meevechten. McLaren heeft veel snelheid gevonden en het is geweldig om te zien dat Ferrari weer snel is."

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Hamilton heeft echter wel een idee waarom Red Bull zoveel langzamer was dan normaal. De Brit wijst namelijk naar het doorontwikkelen van de auto: "Ik denk dat ze niet verder zijn gegaan met ontwikkelen. McLaren heeft hier een updatepakket meegenomen. Andere teams nemen ook updates mee, maar Red Bull werkt aan de auto voor volgend jaar. Ze hebben minder tijd in de windtunnel, dus ze gebruiken waarschijnlijk wat tijd van dit jaar voor de auto van volgend jaar. Maar goed, ik denk dat het gewoon één van die dingen is. Ze liggen zover voor dat ze hun huidige auto misschien minder ontwikkelen."

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  • 18 sep 2023 - 13:24

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  • Met vrijwel gelijk blijvende regels is het altijd beter om de auto te blijven doorontwikkelen in het seizoen. Maar goed.. Kan iets te maken met budget of windtunneltijd.

    • + 3
    • 18 sep 2023 - 12:41
    • max is kampioen,klaar.wat heeft het nog voor nut nu? ook die andere titel is wel binnen.op naar het volgende seizoen.

      • + 0
      • 18 sep 2023 - 16:56
    • nr 76

      Posts: 5.642

      Roy, aangezien 2024 een doorontwikkeling is op 2023, is alles wat je in 23 nog ontwikkelt en leert ook van toepassing in 24...

      • + 1
      • 18 sep 2023 - 17:14
    • Geldt dat ook voor het gezever van de Mercedes-clan @nr 76?

      • + 4
      • 18 sep 2023 - 18:55
  • Echt?

    • + 0
    • 18 sep 2023 - 12:50
  • F1jos

    Posts: 2.920

    Het denken moet je aan een Ferrari ( Carlos) paard overlaten, dat heeft een groter hoofd.

    • + 1
    • 18 sep 2023 - 13:12
    • F1jos

      Posts: 2.920

      Volgens Toto is Lewis hersenloos.

      • + 1
      • 18 sep 2023 - 13:20
  • arone

    Posts: 795

    Eerste keer in lange tijd dat hij iets zinnigs zegt!

    • + 2
    • 18 sep 2023 - 13:19
    • Vade

      Posts: 3.586

      Juist niet...

      • + 4
      • 18 sep 2023 - 16:28
  • Patrace

    Posts: 4.008

    Ehm, nee, volgens mij heeft het niets met het stoppen van het ontwikkelen van deze auto te maken.
    Het heeft er waarschijnlijk meer mee te maken dat dit circuit gewoon heel slecht past bij de karakteristieken van de Red Bull auto en daarbij hebben ze fouten gemaakt met de setup.
    Het schijnt dat ze hier de rijhoogte moesten verhogen om ervoor te zorgen dat de plank onder de auto niet te veel zou slijten. Hun auto is niet geoptimaliseerd voor een hogere rijhoogte, waardoor ze daardoor downforce verliezen en dus snelheid.

    • + 11
    • 18 sep 2023 - 13:23
    • Ik dacht dat ze juist door de rijhoogte te verlagen een gok namen en dat leidde tot stuiteren waardoor Max niet kon remmen zoals hij wilde.

      • + 1
      • 18 sep 2023 - 13:25
  • Snork

    Posts: 18.653

    Om diverse redenen paste Singapore niet goed bij de RB19. De simulatorsessies waren al een voorbode, waaruit bleek dat de sweetspot van de auto op het circuit van Singapore heel lastig te vinden is. En dat is gebleken. Heeft volgens mij niks met niet doorontwikkelen te maken, sterker nog: RBR had o.a. een nieuwe vloer klaarliggen die ze uiteindelijk niet gebruikt hebben.
    Dit was een ingecalculeerd incident, ze wisten vooraf al dat dit niet hun weekend zou worden.
    Is wat mij betreft dus een andere reden dan wat Lewis suggereert.

    • + 9
    • 18 sep 2023 - 13:23
    • Politik

      Posts: 8.359

      Ik las juist dat de simulator data niet overeen kwamen met d
      wat ze vrijdag tijdens vt1 op de baan zagen en dat ze daardoor een beetje op het verkeerde been werden gezet.

      Omdat de eerste verdenkingen.naar de nieuwe bodemplaat gingen, hebben ze (om deze als.oorzaak uit te sluiten) de oude bodemplaat weer gemonteerd.

      De grootste oorzaak volgens een interessante analyse die ik op AMuS las, zijn de matige grip van het asfalt en het vanwege de vele hobbels aanpassen van de rijhoogte de grootste boosdoeners.

      Dit zijn allebei factoren, die inherent aan een stratencircuit zijn, waardoor de verwachting is, dat afgelopen weekend een incident was en Max volgende race weer vol voor de overwinning zal gaan.

      • + 6
      • 18 sep 2023 - 13:33
    • Snork

      Posts: 18.653

      Heb ik ook zo gelezen Politik. Maar ik las ook dat ze door de karakteristiek van het circuit zoals jij dat ook correct omschrijft, al wisten dat ze de auto niet optimaal afgesteld konden krijgen. En vervolgens bleek dus ook dat de data van de simulator niet goed overeenkwam met de feiten op de baan.
      Ze wisten in ieder geval vooraf al dat Singapore lastig ging worden, het bleek nog wat lastiger echter.

      • + 4
      • 18 sep 2023 - 13:54
    • WC MAX

      Posts: 6.066

      Heeft ook met de luchtvochtigheid te maken

      • + 0
      • 18 sep 2023 - 16:23
    • Inderdaad. Het was al niet hun beste circuit en ze hebben ook wat fouten gemaakt. Dan krijg je een weekend als deze. Heeft niets met de ontwikkeling te maken. Of met de TD.

      • + 1
      • 18 sep 2023 - 18:19
    • WC MAX

      Posts: 6.066

      Niemand die er acht op slaat, maar het heeft ook met de luchtvochtigheid te maken.
      Heb ik dit verzonnen? Nope.
      Windsor over gesprek net Newey:
      Ik sprak nog even met Adrian Newey voor de race en ik vroeg aan hem of de technische richtlijnen er iets mee te maken hadden. Hij keek me aan alsof ik gek was en zei: nee, daar heeft het niets mee te maken. We hadden gewoon een perfecte storm van alles dat fout ging in één weekend.'

      Christian Horner gaf ook al aan dat het team zelf fout op fout maakte gedurende het weekend. De teambaas van de Oostenrijkse renstal zag het misgaan na een miscalculatie in de simulator. 'Wat daar waarschijnlijk mee bedoeld wordt, is dat Red Bull met de verkeerde rijhoogte reed. De overgang van simulator naar circuit liep gewoon niet naadloos. Newey zei: we denken dat het te maken heeft met de luchtvochtigheid. Dat vond ik wel heel erg interessant om te horen.'

      • + 0
      • 18 sep 2023 - 20:39
  • Je zou een keer verwachten dat het zou gaan om Ferrari, maar Lewis blijft zich druk maken om Red Bull, hopelijk kan hij zich tijdens het slapen ergens anders mee bezig houden anders begin ik medelijden met hem te krijgen.

    • + 13
    • 18 sep 2023 - 15:18
    • Politik

      Posts: 8.359

      De interviewer stelde deze vraag gisteren aan alle.drie de.coureurs die.op het podium stonden, dus ook aan Lewis.

      Hij geeft netjes antwoord.en zegt daarbij helemaal.niets verkeerd toch? Waarom moet je het dan toch weer negatief uitleggen?
      En dat terwijl je gezien je comment niet eens op de hoogte bent van de juiste context.

      • + 7
      • 18 sep 2023 - 15:31
    • Context is ook dat hij zich druk maakt om Red Bull terwijl het niet nodig is, gewoon toegeven dat net zoals Red Bull dat dit circuit niet bij hun auto past, dan blijf je gewoon realistisch en word het allemaal minder spannend hoe Lewis het altijd brengt.

      • + 7
      • 18 sep 2023 - 16:09
  • jd2000

    Posts: 6.646

    Lachen met Lowietje. Hij zegt dit omdat hij daar vreselijk bang voor is.

    • + 3
    • 18 sep 2023 - 15:29
    • WC MAX

      Posts: 6.066

      En hij vergeet gemakshalve te benoemen dat Mercedes ook al lang met de bolide van 2024 bezig is

      • + 2
      • 18 sep 2023 - 16:24
  • Het is heel simpel, het hele jaar al is de marge met de rest van het veld gemiddeld maar 2 tiende geweest in kwalificatie en waren en verschuivingen in de rangorde achter Red Bull. Red Bull bleef de constante factor. Nu heeft Red Bull een keer een minder weekend op een circuit wat blijkbaar de wagen ook niet goed ligt. Als je dan ook nog een paar tienden verliest in je snelste ronde in de kwalificatie dan sta je zomaar ineens 7 tiende achter. Dat is gewoon het resultaat van dat het veld heel dicht bij elkaar zit.

    En ja ook Red Bull stak de rest van het jaar niet ver boven het veld uit. Er is helemaal geen sprake geweest van een dominantie zoals we die kennen uit het Mercedes tijdperk waar de party mode aan ging en de Mercedes in Q3 gewoon een volle seconde sneller was dan de rest van het veld. En zelfs toen had je nog wel eens circuits waar Mercedes minder presteerde en ze uitgedaagd konden worden.

    Hamilton is echt een onuitstaanbare karikatuur van een jankbal geworden. De hele tijd lopen huilen over een dominantie die er niet is en als dat team dan niet wint dan alsnog het zo spinnen alsof ze alvast weer hun dominantie voor volgend jaar aan het verzekeren zijn. En denkt hij nou dat het niemand opvalt dat hij het ene weekend jankt dat Red Bull te veel updates brengt (suggestie wekken dat Red Bull zich niet aan de budget cap houdt) en het volgende weekend jankt dat Red Bull te weinig updates brengt? Ik vraag me soms af of er nog wel iets oprecht is aan Hamilton.

    • + 22
    • 18 sep 2023 - 15:37
    • F1fever

      Posts: 543

      @Mustfeed: I must give you helemaal gelijk!

      • + 2
      • 18 sep 2023 - 15:58
    • WC MAX

      Posts: 6.066

      Kan maar 1 plusje geven. Helaas.

      • + 1
      • 18 sep 2023 - 16:26
    • Vade

      Posts: 3.586

      Wat ik ook al een paar weken aan het roepen ben.

      Ik snap ook echt oprecht niet waarom er nog steeds mensen zijn die Lewis (en Toto) serieus nemen of verdedigen. Kan ik met mijn verstand gewoon niet bij, omdat ze aantoonbaar onzin brallen en aantoonbaar de meeste hypocriete personen zijn in de paddock.

      • + 3
      • 18 sep 2023 - 16:31
    • Met andere woorden had ik hetzelfde willen zeggen @MustFeed...

      • + 1
      • 18 sep 2023 - 18:52
  • josdaboss

    Posts: 922

    Nou op de foto lijkt hij meer op Stevie Wonder en die is blind :-)

    • + 2
    • 18 sep 2023 - 15:39
  • Kubica

    Posts: 5.179

    Misschien maak je je te druk over andere teams (en eentje in het bijzonder)...

    • + 0
    • 18 sep 2023 - 16:25
  • misschien? dat ding is al bijna af,terwijl de rest nog voor de kruimels gaat.hihihi.

    • + 0
    • 18 sep 2023 - 16:29
    • eind volgend jaar krijgen ze weer ´hoop´.

      • + 0
      • 18 sep 2023 - 16:48
  • Klopt helemaal Lewis

    • + 0
    • 18 sep 2023 - 18:12
  • Just a one-off

    • + 0
    • 18 sep 2023 - 18:17
  • "Ik heb niet echt naar de andere teams gekeken dit weekend, dus ik weet niet precies waarom ze minder pace hebben."

    Vervolgens weet de wereldkampioen van vroeger ineens wel waar het aan ligt...

    • + 2
    • 18 sep 2023 - 18:58
  • Hamilton denkt...denken moet je aan een paard overlaten...

    • + 0
    • 18 sep 2023 - 20:00

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