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Grote complimenten voor Honda: "Je kan nu zeggen dat het de juiste keuze was"

Grote complimenten voor Honda: "Je kan nu zeggen dat het de juiste keuze was"

  • Gepubliceerd op 26 sep 2023 10:09
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  • Door: Bob Plaizier

Het team van Red Bull Racing kroonde zich afgelopen weekend in Japan tot constructeurskampioen. Ze deden dat dus in het thuisland van Honda. De Japanners zijn officieel gezien niet meer de motorleverancier van Red Bull, maar ze werken nog wel samen. Franz Tost heeft altijd vertrouwen gehad in Honda.

Honda nam na 2021 officieel afscheid van Red Bull Racing en zusterteam AlphaTauri. De Japanse fabrikant was sinds 2019 de motorleverancier van Red Bull en werkte sinds het jaar daarvoor al samen met het toenmalige Toro Rosso. In 2021 werden ze dus kampioen met Red Bull en daarna bleven ze nog samenwerken met de teams. De krachtbronnen dragen niet meer de naam van Honda, maar ze worden nog wel geproduceerd door de Japanners.

Afzwaaiend AlphaTauri-teambaas Franz Tost heeft altijd vertrouwen gehad in Honda. Tost is heel erg te spreken over de samenwerking. In gesprek met de media-afdeling van Honda Racing legde Tost het uit: "Ik kon simpelweg niet geloven dat Honda niet in staat was om een winnende Power Unit te maken in de Formule 1. Ik wist honderd procent zeker dat we goed met ze konden samenwerken. In 2017 vroegen sommige mensen in de paddock zich af waarom we dit gingen doen. Ik zei tegen ze dat ze na vijf jaar nog maar eens terug moesten komen. Ik denk dat je nu wel kan stellen dat dit de juiste keuze was."

Ouw-sjagerijn

Posts: 12.878

Franz Tost: Ik zei dit 5 jaar geleden al.

Hmm, ik heb zoiets al eerder gehoord van 'n niet nader te noemen forumlid, maar dat ging over iemand anders.

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  • 26 sep 2023 - 10:22
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  • Astfgl

    Posts: 725

    Moet je voorstellen dat ze nu nog met die barrels van Renault aan het rondrijden waren. Ja, het kampioenschap was dit jaar wel wat spannender geweest, maar ondertussen was Sir Lewis waarschijnlijk al op weg naar z'n 9de titel. Vorig jaar had je dan nog een beetje afwisseling gehad met Ferrari en Leclerc als favorieten. Die overstap naar Honda was, ondanks alle risico's, broodnodig voor Red Bull om uit het slop te komen.

    • + 3
    • 26 sep 2023 - 10:15
    • MennoB85

      Posts: 182

      Sir Lewis the second...

      • + 1
      • 26 sep 2023 - 10:49
  • BoekieB

    Posts: 175

    wie wordt eigenlijk de opvolger van Franz Tost?

    • + 0
    • 26 sep 2023 - 10:19
    • BoekieB

      Posts: 175

      Sorry, is algemeen bekend dat Laurent Mekies dat gaat doen?

      • + 0
      • 26 sep 2023 - 10:20
    • dutchiceman

      Posts: 4.572

      Jep

      • + 0
      • 26 sep 2023 - 10:45
  • Ouw-sjagerijn

    Posts: 12.878

    Franz Tost: Ik zei dit 5 jaar geleden al.

    Hmm, ik heb zoiets al eerder gehoord van 'n niet nader te noemen forumlid, maar dat ging over iemand anders.

    • + 6
    • 26 sep 2023 - 10:22
    • Evert van der Pick

      Posts: 5.966

      Roy Tost?

      • + 4
      • 26 sep 2023 - 12:55
    • Speedpuppet

      Posts: 9.467

      Klopt, er waren toen maar weinig mensen die er vertrouwen in hadden. Dat zijn denk dezelfde mensen die zich nu heel veel zorgen maken over na 2025 ;)

      • + 1
      • 26 sep 2023 - 14:52
  • Jim Jones

    Posts: 214

    Het was van RB ook een slimme tactiek om McLaren eerst een paar jaar als 'testteam' te laten fungeren zodat ze daar alle kinderziektes uit de Honda motoren konden helpen

    • + 3
    • 26 sep 2023 - 10:37
    • Evert van der Pick

      Posts: 5.966

      McLaren had de kinderziektes er toch al uitgehaald?
      Met die GP2 testrijder.... Fernando ofzoiets.

      • + 1
      • 26 sep 2023 - 12:56
  • LimboF1

    Posts: 6.088

    RB heeft gewoon de juiste keuze gemaakt, maar vooral door niet te pushen voor vermogen en Honda hun ding gewoon laten doen. Maar als ze Renault niet zo hadden gepushed, dan was Alpine nu ook verder geweest. Men kan wel naar Abiteboul wijzen, maar die heet wel vaker aangegeven dat dit niet de juiste weg was. Eerst betrouwbaarheid en dan pas vermogen, dat is gewoon de weg.

    • + 0
    • 26 sep 2023 - 10:47
    • Snelrondje

      Posts: 7.965

      @Limbo, het probleem was dat de ambities van Red Bull en Renault mijlenver uit elkaar lagen. Zo’n samenwerking gaat nooit goed. Juist de sfeer tussen Honda en Red Bull bewijst dat er heel goed samengewerkt kan worden met Red Bull.

      • + 5
      • 26 sep 2023 - 11:20
    • AUDI_F1

      Posts: 2.497

      En toch is een krachtigere motor gemakkelijker betrouwbaar te maken dan een betrouwbare motor krachtiger.

      • + 1
      • 26 sep 2023 - 18:06
  • Mr_Flexible

    Posts: 5.037

    Honda verdient al jaren meer complimenten dan ze zijn toegedaan.
    Indien het een fabrieksteam was geweest had dit beter uit de verf gekomen.

    • + 1
    • 26 sep 2023 - 10:47
    • Snelrondje

      Posts: 7.965

      @Mr_Flex, het is jammer dat Honda ineens de groene richting op moest en daarom een stap terug deed. Red Bull was Honda dankbaar en gaf ze best wel de ruimte om zich een deel van het succes toe te eigenen. Als zelfstandige F1 renstal had Honda dit succes nooit op korte termijn kunnen realiseren.

      • + 0
      • 26 sep 2023 - 11:27
    • snailer

      Posts: 21.071

      Volgens mij krijgt Honda al 2 jaar de credits die het verdient.
      Bij zo'n beetje elk kampioenschap (WCC en WDC) is Honda wel genoemd. Het Honda logo is weer te zien. En tot slot vetelde Verstappen afgelopen weekend nog dat het mooi is dat juist het WCC is gehaald in het thuisland van Honda de motor bouwer.
      Elk team weet ook wat de rol van Honda is. Ze zijn niet voorniets meer 1 van de officiele motor bouwerd van 2026. Hoewel ik maar niet kan onthouden met wel team ze ook al weer gaan samenwerken.

      • + 1
      • 26 sep 2023 - 11:43
    • Mr_Flexible

      Posts: 5.037

      Klopt natuurlijk en het blijft niet evident als een Japans bedrijf om het in F1 te maken tenzij je bv een hub in de UK opstart. Neemt niet weg dat Honda meer pluimen verdienen dan ze zijn gegeven

      Dat RB autonoom zou gaan op vlak van PU was eigenlijk maar een kwestie van tijd. De commitment tot F1 is bijzonder groot en dan moet het businessplan kloppen. In hun geval is dat de badge verkopen aan een grote fabrikant en toch je onafhankelijkheid behouden.

      In deze harde competitie kunnen fabrieksteams sterker voor de dag komen dan onafhankelijke constructeurs. Exclusieve motoren kunnen daar nog het verschil maken maar dat blijft meestal niet lang duren.

      • + 0
      • 26 sep 2023 - 11:53
    • snailer

      Posts: 21.071

      We weten nooit wat de echte plannen waren bij Red Bull. Horner heeft wel gezegd na dat besluit dat ze gewoon met Honda door wilden. Ook heeft Horner of Marko, weet niet meer wie, dat ze geen klanten team willen zijn en afhankelijk van de willekeur van de leverancier.
      Ook heeft de geschiedenis geleerd dat Honda erg makkelijk in en uit stapt. In die zin heb je absoluut gelijk. Het was stoppen met F1, wat ze gegarandeerd gedaan hadden als Honda niet had meegewerkt aan overname van personeel en als die bevriezing er niet was gekomen.
      Of het was wat nu is gebeurd. Een kwestie van tijd of ze zouden zelf motoren gaan ontwikkelen.
      Denk dat het goed is dat ze bleven. Succes is niet verzekerd met de eigen motor. Maar het proces is hoe dan ook boeiend.

      • + 0
      • 26 sep 2023 - 12:49
  • Deoranjecamping

    Posts: 2.911

    Geef mij eens de lotto nummers van vorige week Tost!

    • + 0
    • 26 sep 2023 - 10:58
  • JeanLuc Picard

    Posts: 188

    Nu, vijf jaar later komen we terug en zien AlphaTauri met 5 puntjes onderaan de lijst staan… 🤔

    • + 0
    • 26 sep 2023 - 17:11

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