Rodin vond prijskaartje AlphaTauri onrendabel

  • Gepubliceerd op 04 okt 2023 10:46
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  • Door: Bob Plaizier

Het is algemeen bekend dat meerdere partijen interesse hadden in het betreden van de Formule 1. Ook het Rodin Carlin van David Dicker wilde de sport betreden. De steenrijke Dicker voerde daarnaast gesprekken over een overname van het team van AlphaTauri, maar hij vond het waardevoorstel te zwak.

Het team van Rodin Carlin maakte zelf bekend dat de FIA hun plannen niet had goedgekeurd. Alleen Andretti Cadillac kwam door de strenge tweede fase van het proces heen. Rodin had grootste plannen, maar die worden dus waarschijnlijk geen werkelijkheid. Ze kunnen immers ook een bestaand team overnemen en Rodin-eigenaar David Dicker geeft aan dat hij hier daadwerkelijk over heeft gesproken.

Commercieel

De steenrijke Rodin-eigenaar wilde namelijk Red Bulls zusterrenstal AlphaTauri overnemen. In gesprek met RACER legt hij uit waarom dit niet doorging: "Ik heb gesprekken gevoerd over het komen van AlphaTauri. Voor zover ik begreep is de prijs commercieel gezien onrendabel. Je moet deze dingen in commerciële zin bekijken. De Formule 1-jongens zijn expert wat betreft de autosport, maar wat betreft de zakelijk kant ben ik daar niet zo zeker van. Er zijn een paar dingen waar ik in de komende weken misschien meer informatie over krijg wat betreft de kansen, maar het waardevoorstel is zwak."

Levensvatbaar

Dicker geeft aan dat hij ook heeft gesproken met onder meer Williams, Haas en Sauber. Het kwam nooit tot een deal en hij is ook niet zo blij met het prijskaartje dat aan AlphaTauri hing: "Ik zou het zeker doen als het rendabel was, maar 800 of 900 miljoen dollar betalen voor een team als AlphaTauri zou ik commercieel niet als levensvatbaar zien. Ik moet gewoon kijken of er mogelijkheden zijn."

Het plan van Rodin was ook onrendabel of levensvatbaar... de FIA heeft ze niet voor niets afgewezen.

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  • 4 okt 2023 - 11:03

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  • shakedown

    Posts: 756

    Gelukkig. We hebben al Haas en Williams die de F1 als investering ziet. Niet nog een team erbij dat een F1 team als investering ziet.

    F1 is marketing. Geen investering. Je haalt je waarde uit naamsbekendheid en dus reclame.

    Rodin Car heeft volgens mij geen product en dan is de F1 geen Marketing tool om iets te verkopen. (Williams ook niet, maargoed dat is natuurlijk geen nieuwe inschrijving)

    • + 0
    • 4 okt 2023 - 11:01
    • Wat bedoel je met dat deze teams F1 als investering zien? En ook Haas promoot hun business (CNC-installaties) via hun race-activiteiten...

      Wat is er mis met een Rodin die gewoon de competitie aan willen op het hoogste niveau na een uitgebreide geschiedenis in de junior formula's? En wat is het verschil met Andretti in dit opzicht?

      • + 2
      • 4 okt 2023 - 11:21
    • shakedown

      Posts: 756

      HAAS wil niet investeren in de F1. Ja, zijn eigen merk HAAS wordt gepromoot. Maar er wordt niets op sportief vlak niets geïnvesteerd.

      Geen maximale uitgaven op ontwerp gebied (alles wat er gekocht mag worden wordt gekocht). En dan in combinatie met oude degelijke rijders die never nooit om het podium gaan strijden.

      Was er voor gekozen om inderdaad zo veel mogelijk te kopen en dan in combinatie met spannende nieuwe talenten dan is daar nog wat van te vinden. Maar op deze manier krijg ik bij HAAS altijd de indruk dat het erom gaat om zo min mogelijk geld erin te stoppen en mee te liften op de F1 expansie. Zodra er een groot merk komt en de boel wil opkopen dan doet hij dat graag. Dan kan HAAS zeggen dat hij in de F1 heeft meegedaan, en een grote winst heeft behaald.

      Nee, ik zie HAAS echt als investeerder. Die eigenlijk niets in de F1, sportief gezien, heeft te zoeken.

      • + 2
      • 4 okt 2023 - 11:31
    • Maar marketing is juist een investering.
      Je geeft geld uit aan iets, en dan komt indirect terug. Via marketing.
      Er staan 10 teams op de grid die allemaal hetzelfde doel hebben. Dat geld moet, al dan via blikjes, auto’s, CNC machines, kleding, terugkomen.

      • + 0
      • 4 okt 2023 - 11:53
    • @Shake Ok, ik denk dat ik begrijp wat je bedoelt. Maar ik zou je toch aanraden om niet de definitiecontext van woorden zelf te verzinnen wanneer ze net zo goed wat anders kunnen betekenen. Zoals dutch al zegt, is marketing een investering en is het starten van een team ook al een investering. Wat jij bedoelt is dat teams niet alleen moeten meedoen, maar ook bereid moeten zijn het geld neer te leggen om daadwerkelijk competitief te zijn en te geven om het sportieve aspect om zo hoog mogelijk te eindigen.

      Rodin is al jaren bezig met vechten in competitie in de lagere klassen. Dus als ze deel willen zijn van de F1 komen ze niet om wat dingen te promoten of om alleen mee te doen, ze willen gewoon racen en het zo goed mogelijk doen, zoals ze dt al jaren in de lagere klassen gedaan hebben (Rodin is Carlin (dat nu Rodin Carlin heet), mocht je dit niet weten). Tsunoda, Lawson. Vettel, Ricciardo, Drugovich zijn een paar namen die je kent die in hun auto's hebben gereden in de juniiorklassen terwijl ze ook de X44 (Hamilton's team) in Extreme E doen.

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      • 6 okt 2023 - 10:08
  • Het plan van Rodin was ook onrendabel of levensvatbaar... de FIA heeft ze niet voor niets afgewezen.

    • + 3
    • 4 okt 2023 - 11:03
    • Dat weet je niet. Om hier een oordeel over te vellen zou je een specifieke uitleg moeten vinden over welke factoren afgewogen zijn en in hoe de bids Rodin en Andretti in dat licht eruit zagen in de ogen van de FIA.

      • + 0
      • 4 okt 2023 - 11:15
    • Ik meende dat het bij Rodin mis ging op de faciliteiten. De 600 miljoen zou de eigenaar persoonlijk nog aftikken indien nodig.

      Het hebben van een team kost daarna natuurlijk budgetcap. Vervolgens krijg je natuurlijk gelden op basis van prestaties.

      Als titelsponsor krijg je die gelden natuurlijk niet en als het sponsorbedrag dan ook nog eens hoger is dan de cap... dan was het eigen team runnen sneller rendabel dan titelsponsor zijn.

      • + 1
      • 4 okt 2023 - 12:25
    • Ja juist, 800 a 900 miljoen is tegenwoordig een normale prijs voor een compleet F1 team. Dus als je dat al niet kan of wil betalen wat voor levensvorm heeft het dan. Juiste beslissing Fia deze keer.

      • + 0
      • 4 okt 2023 - 20:40
    • Uitgaande van wat er voor een deel van alpine is betaald (ook geen hoogvlieger)
      Zouden volgens een ander platform Red Bull en Mercedes rond de 2.5 miljard uitkomen.

      Ferrari is niet benoemd omdat dat een verhaal apart is met historie en een aantal circuits in bezit

      • + 0
      • 4 okt 2023 - 20:48
    • @M@x, Daarom is 900 miljoen helemaal geen verkeerd bedrag voor een compleet F1 B-team

      • + 0
      • 4 okt 2023 - 20:57
  • Als je het bekijkt als "pawn shop" zal het niet rendabel zijn, maar als je het bekijkt op de Stroll manier, zeg als speelgoed is dat gewoon een reele prijs.

    • + 0
    • 4 okt 2023 - 11:12
  • Zijn portemonnee is dik, maar die van Andretti was iets Dicker.

    • + 0
    • 4 okt 2023 - 11:54
  • Regenrace

    Posts: 445

    Het moge toch bekend zijn dat F1 alleen nog voor instituten is waar 't geld tegen de wanden op klotst. Jammer, maar wel een feit.
    F1 hoeft overigens helemaal niet duur te zijn; het is weloverwogen keuze - vooral ondersteund door teams die het zich kunnen veroorloven. Het is namelijk dè manier om een status quo te handhaven en echte concurrentie uit de weg te gaan. To zover de fantastische 'sport' die F1 heet.

    • + 2
    • 4 okt 2023 - 13:56
  • Dat is Wokedin toch?

    • + 0
    • 4 okt 2023 - 13:57
  • Je betaald voor een zakelijke kans om de waarde te creëren. Daar had Rodin duidelijk geen kaas van gegeten gezien de afkeuring door de FIA. Als je een team koopt is dat nooit rendabel. Je moet het rendabel maken. Deze man heeft geen idee waar hij over praat.

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    • 5 okt 2023 - 15:58

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