Horner verklaart waarom Red Bull niet eerder begon met motorproject: "Niet volwassen genoeg"

  • Gepubliceerd op 24 sep 2022 09:33
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  • Door: Bob Plaizier

Het team van Red Bull Racing is bezig met een ijzersterk seizoen. Op de achtergrond is men naast het huidige seizoen ook bezig met andere dingen. De Oostenrijkse renstal is immers bezig met het eigen motorproject: Red Bull Powertrains. Volgens Christian Horner was dit in het verleden geen optie.

In 2026 gaan er nieuwe motorreglementen gelden in de Formule 1 en Red Bull wil dan met de eigen krachtbronnen aan de start verschijnen. Red Bull werkte tot en met vorig seizoen nog met Honda als motorleverancier. De Japanse autofabrikant verliet de sport, op de achtergrond levert men echter nog wel krachtbronnen tot dat de nieuwe motorregels in gaan.

Volwassen

Het is niet voor het eerst dat Red Bull op zoek moest naar een oplossing voor de krachtbronnen. In het verleden dacht men echter nooit aan een eigen motorproject. Teambaas Christian Horner legt het uit in de Beyond the Grid-podcast: "Dit kwam door de investeringen van toentertijd. De technologie was immers zo ver ontwikkeld. Het idee was niet voor te stellen. Ik denk dat we waarschijnlijk ook niet 'volwassen' genoeg waren als organisatie."

Engine freeze

Horner ziet nu echter dat zijn manschappen zijn gegroeid. Hierdoor heeft Red Bull nu wel de mogelijkheid om een eigen motorafdeling op te zetten. In 2026 moet het gaan gebeuren en Horner heeft er veel vertrouwen in: "Momenteel zijn we echter wel volwassen en met de nieuwe reglementen is het mogelijk. Ook de engine freeze tot en met het einde van 2025 geeft ons tijd om Red Bull Powertrains op te bouwen."

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  • Cicero

    Posts: 1.281

    Een motor van de basis af bouwen, of beginnen met een complete Honda motor. Dat is wel anders denk ik

    • + 2
    • 24 sep 2022 - 09:50
    • amigob

      Posts: 398

      Ik had toch gelezen dat RBPT niet de Honda motor als basis mocht gebruiken van Honda.

      • + 3
      • 24 sep 2022 - 10:28
    • Klopt, ze mogen het IP van Honda niet gebruiken en moeten vanaf 0 beginnen.

      • + 1
      • 24 sep 2022 - 10:33
    • Klopt @Amigo. RBPT heeft zelf een compleet nieuwe motor
      ontwikkeld en gebouwd zonder gebruik te maken van het IP van Honda.

      • + 2
      • 24 sep 2022 - 10:35
    • Je was me voor @Patrick :-)

      • + 0
      • 24 sep 2022 - 10:45
    • Cicero

      Posts: 1.281

      Uhu. Je begrijpt dat ze dat alleen zeggen omdat red Bull zo niet aan strenge regelgeving voor bestaande motorfabrikanten hoeft te voldoen?

      • + 1
      • 24 sep 2022 - 11:47
    • Uhu, (wat dat ook mag betekenen)
      Je begrijpt dat Honda al meerdere keren heeft gezegd dat ze hun IP
      aan NIEMAND geven/lenen/verkopen of wat dan ook, ook niet aan RB?

      • + 2
      • 24 sep 2022 - 12:18
    • Cicero

      Posts: 1.281

      Zoek eens op internet zou ik zeggen

      • + 0
      • 24 sep 2022 - 12:20
    • Cicero

      Posts: 1.281

      Nog even iets meer diepgang. De techniek is en blijft eigendom van Honda. Maar red bull heeft alle toegang tot de techniek en data en kan op basis daarvan de nieuwe motor ontwikkelen.
      Zoals gebruikelijk zal, indien red Bull Honda techniek gebruikt in de nieuwe motor, daarvoor een overeenkomst moeten sluiten. Bijv een fee betalen. Daar is allang een overeenkomst over gesloten.

      Het punt is dat ze toen ze ruzie met Renault hadden niet die motor als basis konden gebruiken. Nu bij Honda gaat het heel anders.

      www.formula1.com/e(...)18FcmxNlWnB2ST.html

      • + 1
      • 24 sep 2022 - 12:30
    • 🙄

      • + 0
      • 24 sep 2022 - 12:33
    • amigob

      Posts: 398

      Alles wat daar staat gaat tot eind 2025. Er wordt niet gesproken over daar na

      • + 0
      • 24 sep 2022 - 13:25
    • Cicero

      Posts: 1.281

      Nee ze beginnen dan ook pas in 2026 met de motor van 2026..... Lol

      • + 0
      • 24 sep 2022 - 13:29
    • Honda heeft niets te maken met de motor van 2026. Hiervoor heeft Red Bull zelf 300 mensen in dienst genomen en ze hebben zelf een torretje gebouwd wat nu op de dymo ligt.

      • + 2
      • 24 sep 2022 - 13:43
    • Cicero

      Posts: 1.281

      Echt jullie zijn zo dom.

      • + 0
      • 24 sep 2022 - 13:44
    • Klopt! Daar heb je helemaal gelijk in... Maar wat ben jij dan wel niet?

      • + 1
      • 24 sep 2022 - 13:46
    • @Cicero,

      "Red Bull Powertrains – a new company set up by the Austrian outfit – then took over the Honda engine IP, but with help from the Japanese company under a support agreement."

      Dit is 100% foutieve informatie!
      Niemand heeft toegang tot het Honda IP, helemaal niemand, omdat Honda niet weet met wie RBPT eventueel NA 2025 de PU gaat maken.
      Ze hebben meer dan een miljard in de ontwikkeling van de PU gestoken en dan zullen ze daar anderen mee aan de haal laten gaan?!
      Dat is meerdere keren door de hoge heren van Honda gezegd. Zoek maar op het www.
      Wij zijn dom? En wat ben jij dan wel niet?

      • + 7
      • 24 sep 2022 - 14:00
    • Die motoren worden niet voor niks nog steeds in Japan gebouwd en verzegeld opgestuurd.

      • + 2
      • 24 sep 2022 - 14:23
    • Cicero

      Posts: 1.281

      Verzegeling moet ivm f1 regels. Echt dat ik dat moet uitleggen....

      En de ip overdracht staat op vele plekken. Is waarschijnlijk niet iets wat Honda graag naar buiten brengt, maar het project is te groot om alles geheim te houden. Maar dan nog blijft honda natuurlijk eigendom van hun ip. Nogal wiedes. Daar zijn dan ook licenties voor bedacht. Die 1 miljard zit voor een deel ook in het mislukte mcl project. Ook red Bull heeft geld in de ontwikkeling gestoken en heeft daarmee waarschijnlijk zeggenschap ingekocht. Zolang jij de contracten niet onder ogen hebt gehad is het dikke bs wat je zegt.. Ja, je hebt soms nieuws op deze website gebracht, maar je hebt het ook geregeld verkeerd gehad.

      Het enige wat ik zei is dat ze met een motor kunnen beginnen. En daarvan kunnen ze leren om hun eigen motor te bouwen. Technici die van Honda overgenomen zijn, van Mercedes, etc. En ja er zullen vast delen van de informatie achter gehouden worden, zeker betreffende Electronische delen, omdat Honda zich daar wel op blijft richten. De rest van de motor is voor Honda waardeloos geworden, immers gaan ze er niets meer mee doen.
      Ter info, zoek eens op hoe ze het toendertijd met mugen honda hebben gedaan...

      • + 1
      • 24 sep 2022 - 16:33
  • amigob

    Posts: 398

    Voor de budget cap was ieder euro in een motor ontwikkeling stoppen een euro minder in de auto stoppen.
    Nu is dat dus heel anders en kun je alles boven de budget cap gewoon in de motor ontwikkeling stoppen. En ik vermoed dat er genoeg grijze gebieden zijn waar je auto ontwikkeling in het motor budget kwijt kunt

    • + 1
    • 24 sep 2022 - 10:24
  • Ik vind het toch wel stoer hoor. Het is niet mijn team maar ik heb zeker respect voor de progressie die ze hebben geboekt vanaf 2005. Ik kan me nog wel herinneren dat ik een column las van Jos Verstappen in een f1 blad in 2008?, dat Red Bull maar een keer iets moest laten zien. Nu anno 2022 zijn Vettel 4x en zijn zoon 2x kampioen met dat team geworden. En bovendien hebben ze al jaren de beste pitstops en beste strategie. Indrukwekkend.

    • + 17
    • 24 sep 2022 - 10:52
    • Zeker stoer en een behoorlijk risico wat ze nemen. Als die motor totaal niet competitief is of de eerste 15 races iedere race ploft, dan gaat het hard achteruit met de merknaam. Ik kan me nog vaag herinneren dat Honda terug kwam in de F1 een paar jaar terug :)

      • + 0
      • 24 sep 2022 - 11:14
    • "en zijn zoon 2x kampioen met dat team geworden."

      Of ik kan niet goed tellen of jij loopt al op de zaken vooruit
      Ff nog wachten voordat je zulk soort dingen gaat roepen aub.

      • + 1
      • 24 sep 2022 - 13:03
    • @Patrick, dat is een risico voor iedere motorleverancier in de F1. Succes is nooit verzekerd. Zie Mercedes in 2022. Red Bull toont lef en ze realiseren regelmatig hun ambitieuze doelen. Dat is lovenswaardig.

      • + 0
      • 24 sep 2022 - 15:07
    • Zeker maar een motorleverancier levert ook zonder F1 sowieso al motoren. Red Bull maakt blikjes...

      • + 0
      • 24 sep 2022 - 15:21
    • @Dick

      Angsthaas :p

      • + 0
      • 24 sep 2022 - 21:19
  • ringo

    Posts: 3.629

    Ze hebben meer dynamo tijd en een hogere budgetcap voor de motoren omdat ze een nieuwe player zijn net als audi en porsche... maar zolang je de juiste mensen hebt moet het wel lukken. En ze hebben de mercedes top binnen gehaald om te organiseren. Dat scheeld veeln voor de komen jaren is zoeken naar een waardig vervanger voor newey

    • + 0
    • 25 sep 2022 - 03:45

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