Horner had andere keuze gemaakt als Honda niet was gestopt

  • Gepubliceerd op 26 mei 2023 19:22
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  • Door: Bob Plaizier

Honda maakte eerder deze week bekend dat ze in 2026 weer terugkeren in de Formule 1 als motorleverancier van Aston Martin. Tot en met 2021 werkte de Japanners nog samen met Red Bull Racing. Volgens Red Bull-teambaas Christian Horner had de wereld er anders uitgezien als Honda eerder deze keuze had gemaakt.

Toen duidelijk werd dat Honda de Formule 1 ging verlaten, besloot men bij Red Bull om door te pakken. De Oostenrijkse renstal richtte Red Bull Powertrains op en ontwikkelt nu zelf krachtbronnen. Vanaf 2026 gaan ze samenwerken met Ford en is een nieuwe samenwerking met Honda voorlopig dus van de baan.

Teambaas Christian Horner geeft aan dat zijn team bij een snellere keuze van Honda, zelf ook een andere keuze had gemaakt. De Brit wordt geciteerd door Motorsport.com: "Honda heeft het besluit genomen om te vetrekken in 2020 genomen. Dat dwong ons om een andere route te kiezen voor de langere termijn, om te kijken naar wat voor ons het best zou zijn. We hadden deze stap niet gezet als Honda niet was vertrokken. Eigenlijk moeten we Honda dankbaar zijn voor het duwtje dat ze ons hebben gegeven in de richting van onze eigen motorafdeling."

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  • Zucht

    Posts: 768

    Geen vote of confidence voor Ford deze reaktie. Blijft de vraag waarom Honda de keuze heeft gemaakt zoals ie is gemaakt

    • + 2
    • 26 mei 2023 - 19:54
    • Ik interpreteer dat anders. Laatste zin niet gelezen? Of alleen titel gelezen?

      • + 3
      • 26 mei 2023 - 20:04
    • Zucht

      Posts: 768

      Ron, als ik alleen titel had gelezen had ik dit niet zo geformuleerd. Als dat niet jouw mening is, feel free om dat te ventileren, maar zet mij niet met zoveel dedain weg. Waarom toch dat narrige?
      Ik denk dat we ooit de werkelijke reden zullen horen en ja, misschien kwam t voort uit het besef van urgentie van RBR en de besluiteloosheid van Honda. Maar Ford is imo second choice in deze formulering.

      • + 0
      • 26 mei 2023 - 20:24
    • Absoluut niet narrig van mijn kant hoor. Een oprechte vraag was het. Ik lees namelijk iemand die eerst baalde maar nu achteraf heel blij is. En ergens snap ik het wel. Want RBR heeft in het verleden al vaker een wispelturige motor fabrikant gehad.

      • + 3
      • 26 mei 2023 - 20:27
    • @Zucht:
      Toen men de beslissing nam om RB Powertrains te starten omdat Honda stopte was Ford nog helemaal niet in beeld dus wat Horner hier zegt over de beslissing van destijds heeft niks met Ford als 2e keuze te maken. Meer met RB Powertrains, daar waren ze dan nog niet aan begonnen.
      Ford is dit jaar pas aangekondigd dat die erbij instappen. Aanvankelijk is RB Powertrains met hulp van Honda gestart.

      • + 11
      • 26 mei 2023 - 22:02
    • d@nny

      Posts: 3.226

      Helemaal eens met alflonzo, het stoppen van Honda en het oprichten van RBPT heeft helemaal nits met de Ford beslissing te maken.

      Als Ford al ergens second choice is dan is dat achter Porsche, niet achter Honda.

      • + 3
      • 26 mei 2023 - 22:50
  • "Eigenlijk moeten we Honda dankbaar zijn voor het duwtje dat ze ons hebben gegeven in de richting van onze eigen motorafdeling".

    Oke, ik denk dat je het lachen wel vergaat in 2026 als Honda het beter blijkt te doen dan jullie eigen motoren.....en ik hoop het toch zo dat Honda samen met Aston Martin kampioen wordt.....en dat Redbull de plank helemaal mis slaat met hun eigen motoren samen met Ford.

    • + 2
    • 26 mei 2023 - 20:06
    • WC MAX

      Posts: 6.066

      Wat klink je chagrijnig Ouw?

      • + 8
      • 26 mei 2023 - 20:15
    • Maakt niet uit ze hebben Super Max.

      • + 2
      • 26 mei 2023 - 20:18
    • Ik ben 'n beetje kwaad op Redbull WCMAX....dat ze niet meer samen gaan werken met Honda.

      • + 1
      • 26 mei 2023 - 20:55
    • Ouw-sjagerijn

      Ik ben 'n beetje kwaad op Redbull WCMAX....dat ze niet meer samen gaan werken met Honda.
      =================================================

      Dat komt toch echt door Honda, want RB wou heel graag verder met Honda.
      Dus als je op iemand kwaad moet zijn is het op de mensen bij Honda!

      • + 15
      • 26 mei 2023 - 20:59
    • Ik krijg het niet voor mekaar om kwaad te worden op Honda Pietje....ook al weet ik dat ze fout waren.

      • + 2
      • 26 mei 2023 - 21:01
    • Nee, maar je krijgt het wel voor elkaar om onschuldige mensen het volgende toe te wensen:

      ".....en dat Redbull de plank helemaal mis slaat met hun eigen motoren samen met Ford."

      Bah!

      • + 15
      • 26 mei 2023 - 21:14
    • Honda gedroeg zich als een wispelturige borderliner. RBR wil een stabiele motor. Ze hebben jarenlang ervaring met een andere wispelturige fabrikant. Nee ik snap ze heel goed dat ze het heft in eigen handen nemen. En dat vind ik juist heel erg moedig. Zonder risico geen beloning.

      • + 5
      • 26 mei 2023 - 21:15
    • Ennnnn.....ik mag dat niet zeggen Pietje?

      95% van het forum wenste dat Mercedes en Ferrari toe, heb ik je toen ook gehoord?

      Over Toto, Lewis en George heb ik je ook lelijke dingen horen zeggen en nee, ik ga het niet opzoeken...maar je weet dat ik gelijk hebt.

      En moet je nou allemaal zo dramatisch doen met je bah?

      • + 9
      • 26 mei 2023 - 22:01
    • " .....en dat Redbull de plank helemaal mis slaat met hun eigen motoren
      samen met Ford."

      "Ennnnn.....ik mag dat niet zeggen Pietje?"

      Zeker mag jij dat zeggen @ouwe en ik mag daar "Bah" op antwoorden.

      En op al jouw overige beweringen ga ik helemaal niet in,
      want je zit er helemaal naast! Ik wens anderen nooit iets slechts toe.

      • + 14
      • 26 mei 2023 - 22:27
    • bAH !!1!

      • + 0
      • 27 mei 2023 - 00:57
    • weet je wat bah is? dat mede door honda, redbull kampioen is geworden. zonder honda hadden ze waarschijnlijk F1 moeten verlaten en is max nooit kampioen geworden. want terug naar renault was nooit optie geweest en mercedes en ferrari zijn te bang om redbull van motor te voorzien.

      • + 4
      • 27 mei 2023 - 04:56
    • Behalve (o.a.) Kelly, Mercedes, Perez...

      • + 0
      • 27 mei 2023 - 07:58
    • Oh wat gun ik jullie afgelopen 2 seizoenen. En de velen die nog komen gaan van Verstappen zijn succes. Ga zo door met jullie frustraties en jullie maken elke dag mijn dag weer goed.

      • + 3
      • 27 mei 2023 - 08:12
    • @petertje

      Niet helemaal juist, want in het reglement staat (of iig stond toentertijd) dat, wanneer een deelnemer zonder contract (Red Bull) voor een PU komt te ziten, de FIA de PU-fabrikant die het minste aantal deelnemers van PU's voorziet (dat was toen Renault), kan aanwijzen om de deelnemer van PU's te voorzien.

      Deze regel is tot stand gekomen om Red Bull (tegen wil en dank) te helpen, omdat die na de ruzie met Renault geen fabrikant kon vinden die met haar wilde werken.

      • + 2
      • 27 mei 2023 - 08:18
    • Het belangrijkste van het zetje van Honda is geweest dat het kwam toen Dietrich Mateschitz nog in leven was en hij zijn goedkeuring was.
      Dat was waarschijnlijk onder de nieuwe leiding van de Red Bull-fabrikant niet zo makkelijk geweest...

      • + 4
      • 27 mei 2023 - 08:54
    • F1jos

      Posts: 2.920

      No problem, Max gaat naar AM om Alonso te vervangen.

      • + 0
      • 27 mei 2023 - 09:38
    • the horse, dus redbull was zo ie zo geen kampioen geworden want de renault motor viel om de haverklap uit dat jaar. en zit max nog steeds te ploeteren met een renault motor.

      • + 1
      • 27 mei 2023 - 12:04
  • Jammer dat Honda zo betrouwbaar is als een stoplicht.

    • + 3
    • 26 mei 2023 - 20:56
  • dit is gewoon een sneer richting Honda toe en niks anders van die huichelaar.

    • + 5
    • 26 mei 2023 - 21:34
    • nr 76

      Posts: 5.642

      Petertje vond begrijpend lezen vroeger al lastig.

      • + 19
      • 26 mei 2023 - 21:43
  • Alsof er nu geen samenwerking zou zijn ?
    Wie heeft de basis gelegd voor een Honda raket
    Te bouwen en wie bepaalt tot waar ze de grenzen leggen voor een bepaalde tijd
    Ja ja

    • + 0
    • 26 mei 2023 - 23:53
  • Maakt allemaal niets uit, Max rijd voor Ferrari in 26.

    • + 0
    • 27 mei 2023 - 08:44
    • Als hij Horner, Newey en Lambiase meeneemt kan dat heel interessant worden.

      • + 0
      • 27 mei 2023 - 09:09
    • Hannaaaaahhh!

      • + 1
      • 27 mei 2023 - 10:31
    • Och ja zeker Larry! Die is ook van grote waarde.

      • + 0
      • 27 mei 2023 - 10:46

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