Lauda vindt dat stewards te streng waren voor Ricciardo

  • Gepubliceerd op 27 maa 2018 13:21
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

De wedstrijdleiding voor de Australische Grand Prix had zich wel iets coulanter op mogen stellen ten aanzien van Red Bull Racing-coureur Daniel Ricciardo. Dat verklaarde Mercedes-teampresident Niki Lauda aan ORF. De Oostenrijker had weinig begrip voor de grid penalty die Ricciardo incasseerde.

De Australiër had vrijdag tijdens de tweede vrije training op het circuit van Albert Park in Melbourne een overtreding begaan. Ricciardo was gedurende een rode vlag-situatie te snel teruggereden naar de pits. De stewards waren onverbiddelijk en deelden een gridstraf van drie plaatsen aan hem uit.

De Red Bull Racing-coureur was daar zelf verbolgen en pissig over. "Ik maakte een fout, laat daar geen twijfel over bestaan. Is het een fout die je een gridstraf moet opleveren? Het gebeurde in een vrije training, er waren geen auto's op het circuit en er lag niemand op kop. Het ging om een losgeschoten kabel op het rechte stuk van start en finish en daar kwam ik niet eens meer langs. Ik denk dus dat het gezonde verstand hier de boventoon had moeten voeren."

Lauda steunt Ricciardo. "Als de FIA (internationale autosportbond, red.) en Charlie Whiting nu al op deze manier gaan beginnen, dan heeft de Formule 1 weer een stap in de verkeerde richting gezet. Ik had Daniel op een andere manier bestraft, zonder sportieve consequenties. Dan had hij gewoon vooraan kunnen rijden, waar hij thuishoort, en hadden de Australische fans nog meer van de race kunnen genieten."

gp

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Vond ik eigenlijk ook.

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  • 27 maa 2018 - 13:26

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  • gp

    Posts: 4.711

    Vond ik eigenlijk ook.

    • + 6
    • 27 maa 2018 - 13:26
    • Eens. Overigens ben ik van mening dat de verantwoordelijken voor de verregaande overregulering waarmee we heden ten dage zitten ontslagen moeten worden....en vervolgens 10 harde stokslagen om ze het af te leren!

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2018 - 13:36
    • Het hele F1 circus begint een beetje een triest circus te worden. Die onboardbeelden met de halo (inderdaad, dat is al doorgezaagd maar we zien hu pas echt de beelden) en al dat sparen van motoren en banden en nu weer het terugzetten van Ricciardo maakt de sport doodweg kapot.

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2018 - 20:17
  • MauZ

    Posts: 356

    Eens met N.Lauda!

    • + 2
    • 27 maa 2018 - 13:26
  • Eens, straffen OK maar een grid penalty? Reprimande en 1 of 2 punten op zijn licentie was toch ook voldoende geweest?

    • + 1
    • 27 maa 2018 - 13:32
  • Zware straf, aan de andere kant regels zijn regels. Maar Ric heeft niemand in gevaar gebracht omdat die strip op start/finish was losgekomen, en iedereen toch de pits in moest door de rode vlag. Een waarschuwing had in dit geval beter geweest imo.

    • + 1
    • 27 maa 2018 - 13:34
    • Ach in de geest van de regels en zeker omdat zoals je zegt dat hij niemand in gevaar bracht had een berisping of boete beter geweest.

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2018 - 17:23
  • F312

    Posts: 928

    Ja en nee, vorige jaar kreeg Raikkonen ook 5sec en een paar strafpunten aan zijn broek omdat hij onder de gele vlag iets te snel langs de gestrande Max was gereden.
    Was ook niet echt gevaarlijk want het was op een overzichtelijk recht stuk en de gestrande auto stond volledig naast de baan.

    Iedereen kent de regels en men wordt geacht zich eraan te houden.
    Ze zijn echter de top van de professionele coureurs. Daarvan mag je ook professionaliteit verwachten en het eerste wat je mag verwachten is dat de vlaggen worden gerespecteerd.

    Voelt de straf soms wat zwaar aan. Ja dat doet het wel. Ze kennen echter de gevolgen want het staat letterlijk in de reglementen.

    • + 1
    • 27 maa 2018 - 13:35
    • Die straf van Kimi was wel terecht, want de auto van Max stond gewoon onveilig en moest daar worden weggehaald door de Marshalls terwijl Kimi volgas voorbij kwam.

      • + 2
      • 27 maa 2018 - 13:39
    • Big_El

      Posts: 2.137

      Groot verschil: die actie van Kimi was tijdens de race (het moment dat de punten verdiend kunnen worden), terwijl deze van Ricciardo in een vrije training was (behalve tijd in de garage won Ricciardo er dus niets mee, wat zijn actie alleen maar onbegrijpelijker maakt).

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2018 - 13:48
    • F312

      Posts: 928

      @ Schwantz34,

      Misschien komt het wat ongelukkig over maar dat ik die erbij haalde was omdat coureurs niet geacht worden een vlag in twijfel te trekken.

      Kimi gaf als excuus aan dat de Marshalls nog achter de vangrail stonden en er dus geen gevaar was op een recht stuk. Dat is natuurlijk gelul. Gele vlag is gewoon een gele vlag.

      Net als dat Ric gewoon had moeten reageren op de rode vlag. Hij wist dat het een rode vlag was voor een stuk waar hij niet meer zou komen. Maar misschien is er ook wel iets gebeurd wat hem nog niet verteld is en dus altijd de vlaggen respecteren en niet zelf de vlaggen in twijfel trekken.

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2018 - 13:50
    • @ F312, hij reageerde ook wel, hij reed maar liefst 160 km/u langzamer. Maar dat was nog net - echt een heel klein beetje - te weinig......dus hij trok op dat moment echt niks in twijfel.

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2018 - 15:33
  • lada

    Posts: 300

    Top Niki!

    • + 1
    • 27 maa 2018 - 13:35
  • Is Lauda hier nou Ricciardo aan het overhalen om naar Mercedes te gaan? Even zijn ego strelen.. Straf zeker te zwaar gaat nergens over, reprimande was al genoeg geweest, zelfs strafpunten vind ik te ver gaan.

    • + 1
    • 27 maa 2018 - 13:36
  • Tja, en dan ook nog eens 2 strafpunten op zijn licentie? Ik blijf maar het gevoel houden dat de stewards geen neutrale beslissingen maken en dat met name het team van RB er niet echt goed van af komt. En, ter info, ik beschouw mijzelf niet als RB/Max fanboy.

    • + 1
    • 27 maa 2018 - 13:40
  • volkomen met Lauda eens

    • + 1
    • 27 maa 2018 - 13:42
  • Is max niet meer haalbaar? :p

    • + 0
    • 27 maa 2018 - 13:44
  • Te snel rijden onder rood mag gewoon niet.
    Moet dus bestraft worden en als daar een gridpenalty voor staat dan is dat maar zo, hoe zuur ook voor Ric.
    Als we te hard rijden onder rood per geval gaan behandelen krijg je hetzelfde geneuzel als met tracklimits. Zie vorig jaar in USA.

    Hou het alsjeblieft simpel.

    • + 6
    • 27 maa 2018 - 13:45
    • Ik ken de reglementen niet, is de standaard straf 3 grid plaatsen? En wat als het in de race gebeurd?

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2018 - 14:08
    • walteij

      Posts: 1.987

      @Patrick_ST
      Nee, de straf is meestal meer dan 3 plaatsen gridstraf (volgens mij zijn het er standard 6, maar dit kan ik mis hebben). Maar vanwege de door Ricciaro (en Nikki) aangehaalde verzachtende omstandigheden, en de minimale overtreiding van de maximum snelheid, is de straf dus lager uitgevallen.

      • + 2
      • 27 maa 2018 - 14:12
    • F312

      Posts: 928

      @ Patrick_ST

      Tijdens de race is het minimaal een stop en go penalty van 5 seconden.
      (Zie art 38.3 van de reglementen.)
      Dat zou in de afgelopen race in totaal 22sec tip + 5sec stop is 27sec kosten.
      Dat is meer dan 3 plaatsen normaal gesproken.

      Maximaal diskwalificatie. :-o

      art 10.7 stelt: Red Flag and.... procedures must be respected.

      Dus "rode vlag procedures" moeten gevolgd worden.

      De coureur wordt niet geacht zelf daar een mening over te hebben.

      Heel zuur voor Ric maar als je er niets bij te winnen hebt is het wel een hele domme fout om een rode vlag te negeren.

      • + 1
      • 27 maa 2018 - 14:46
  • Big_El

    Posts: 2.137

    Slechts gedeeltelijk eens. Want dankzij deze straf kon Ricciardo zorgen voor de enige echte inhaal actie in de hele race. En heeft hij tussendoor ook nog kunnen zorgen voor de snelste ronde. Ik denk niet dat hij dat had gekund als hij die straf niet had gehad.

    • + 0
    • 27 maa 2018 - 13:46
  • gewoon een geldboete moeten geven en meer niet, dan was de boodschap duidelijk genoeg geweest.

    • + 0
    • 27 maa 2018 - 13:50
  • M@X

    Posts: 1.166

    Eens! Wel slim van meneer om dit na de race te delen.

    • + 0
    • 27 maa 2018 - 14:06
  • Als je een regel overtreed is er een straf. Echter je hoeft het niet zo zwart/wit tezien als wat er gebeurt is. Er was 0 gevaar voor niemand, hij reed beslist niet volle gas door, hij was ietsjes te snel terug in de pits.
    Een geldboete was oke geweest, de gegeven straf was te zwaar voor het vergrijp vond ik.

    Eens met Lauda.

    • + 0
    • 27 maa 2018 - 14:24
  • walter33

    Posts: 913

    Gelijk heeft ie,ik vond het zwaar overdreven,geldboete of waarschuwing was op zijn plaats geweest.

    • + 0
    • 27 maa 2018 - 14:33
  • Tsja regels zijn regels: 5000,- voor het niet goed vastzetten van een wiel, dus zelfde straf voor de organisatie voor het niet goed vastzetten van een kabel ;)

    • + 0
    • 27 maa 2018 - 15:34
  • Baksteen

    Posts: 705

    Gaat niet. De stewards mogen geen uitzondering maken ongeacht wie er rijdt of wanneer. Juridisch gezien levert het een vorm van jurisprudentie op waaraan andere teams zich kunnen vastklampen als zij hetzelfde doen en daarmee ontneem je de stewards effectieve macht.

    • + 0
    • 27 maa 2018 - 15:37
  • silsur

    Posts: 1.053

    Lauda heeft in mijn ogen gelijk.

    Uiteraard zijn regels de regels, dus al je door rood licht rijdt, dan krijg je een vastgestelde boete, ongeacht of er geen hond te zien was op de hele kruising (?veilig?).

    Hier is het ook helder, RIC overtrad de regels. Echter..... de stewards hebben besloten een lichtere straf te geven. Klaarblijkelijk is de overtreding helder, maar is er ruimte om de strafmaat aan te passen (dat hebben ze gedaan). Dat gezegd hebbende, zijn ze dus veel te streng geweest bij het bepalen van de strafmaat. OF je hanteert altijd de straf.... OF je bepaald de strafmaat obv de omstandigheden. Dat laatste is blijkbaar gedaan, en daarin zijn ze dan in mijn ogen veel te streng geweest (zie alle argumenten hierboven van geen onveiligheid, gelijk van gas, etc, etc).

    Lijkt me dus geen discussie wel/niet een straf, maar dat de steward (binnen hun klaarblijkelijke vrijheid de strafmaat aan te passen), veel te streng zijn geweest.

    • + 1
    • 27 maa 2018 - 16:14
    • Sieper

      Posts: 1.753

      goed punt! Zo had ik er ook nog niet tegenaangekeken maar je hebt helemaal gelijk (volgens mij).

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2018 - 16:56
  • Sieper

    Posts: 1.753

    eens met Lauda, de sitautie was bekend en met Ricci al besproken dus hij wist waar de problemen waren en dat hij daar voor al de pit in zou gaan.

    • + 0
    • 27 maa 2018 - 16:53
  • jd2000

    Posts: 6.646

    Tja, had Lauda ook voor de kwalificatie kunnen zeggen

    • + 0
    • 27 maa 2018 - 17:54
  • Kgundi

    Posts: 581

    Sorry dat ik het zeg, maar ik vind het niveau van de discussies over dit voorval over het algemeen bedroevend. Het gaat erom dat de rijder in kwestie op dat moment niet weet dat er evt. verzachtende omstandigheden zijn. Dus rood is rood, en dan heb je pech. Anders gaat de volgende keer de coureur gewoon doorrijden 'in de hoop' dat er verzachtende omstandigheden zijn. En geldboetes? Laat me niet lachen.
    We tetteren met zijn allen dat de sport te ingewikkeld is, en teveel regels. Ja, dan moet je vooral ook nog overal uitzonderingen en verzachtende omstandigheden gaan verzinnen.
    Ik hoorde iemand zeggen dat 'het maar een vrije training betrof'.. oja, dan rijden ze minder hard en lopen er evt. geen baancommisarissen op het circuit na een ongeval..
    Zo dat is eruit.

    • + 3
    • 27 maa 2018 - 18:47
    • dizzy

      Posts: 1.466

      Eens, een coureur die ziet dat er een rode vlag is moet altijd met het ergste rekening houden. Op het moment dat de rode vlag wordt ingesteld weet bijna niemand nog wat er exact aan de hand is, laat staan een coureur.

      • + 0
      • 27 maa 2018 - 22:23
    • Ook eens, het was gewoon een hele domme fout van Ricciardo om niet genoeg af te remmen. Hij wist waar de oorzaak van de rode vlag was, maar als bv een Marshal op een andere plek even van de rode vlag gebruik wil maken om ook iets te corrigeren of te verwijderen?

      • + 0
      • 28 maa 2018 - 08:14

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