Steiner duidelijk: "Meeste teams willen geen derde auto"

  • Gepubliceerd op 03 okt 2018 15:48
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  • Door: Niels Langenberg

Haas-teambaas Guenther Steiner zegt dat de meeste teams tegen het idee zijn om een derde auto per team toe te staan voor de jonge rijders. Mercedes-teambaas Toto Wolff gaf eerder de suggestie dat het voor teams toegestaan moet worden om met een derde auto te gaan rijden, maar Steiner gelooft niet dat het idee op veel steun kan rekenen. 

"Ik denk dat er helemaal geen discussie over is geweest. Het balletje is opgegooid en er waren wat mensen voor, maar ook tegen en ik denk dat dat toch echt wel de grootste groep was."

Volgens de Italiaan komt er met een derde auto teveel onduidelijkheid. "Het is erg moeilijk om het op een manier te doen waarbij de toeschouwers ook echt kunnen zien wat er gebeurt. Je kunt niet zomaar een derde auto gaan gebruiken. Dus op dit moment zal het idee niet gaan aanslaan."

Ik zou het prima vinden als mercedes volgend jaar een auto onder zelfde reglement maar met 50kilo ballast op de baan brengt om ocon aan het rijden te houden.

ieder team achterop de grid mag dit van mij ook doen om met een betalende rijder die ervaring op wil doen de kas te spekken.

lijkt er... [Lees verder]

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  • 3 okt 2018 - 16:02

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  • De meeste fans ook niet. Het gaat best zo. Het is nooit anders geweest maar de laatste 2 jaar willen de ´fans´ ineens een ander weekend met sprintraces en al die andere onzin? Volgens mij verzinnen ze het gewoon zelf.

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    • 3 okt 2018 - 15:54
    • Ik zou het prima vinden als mercedes volgend jaar een auto onder zelfde reglement maar met 50kilo ballast op de baan brengt om ocon aan het rijden te houden.

      ieder team achterop de grid mag dit van mij ook doen om met een betalende rijder die ervaring op wil doen de kas te spekken.

      lijkt er zelfs op dat mclaren dit al 2jaar doet met de 2e auto ;)

      • + 2
      • 3 okt 2018 - 16:02
    • Daar moeten ze dan maar een aparte klassen voor maken, De F1 is niet om op te leiden, dan doen ze maar voor elke F1 race een race met de wagens van het jaar ervoor met talenten er in. AUB niet zeg die 3e wagens die veel langzamer zijn en nooit mogen winnen. En dan zeggen mensen dat de HALO erg was.....

      • + 2
      • 3 okt 2018 - 16:05
    • Alleen naar die andere klasse kijkt nauwelijks 1% van de toeschouwers (dus commercieel minder aantrekkelijk)
      Kun je een rijder minder laten wennen aan mediacircus en circuits.
      Kun je een rijder geen data relevant voor je team laten verzamelen.
      Kun je de rijder en engineers van die auto geen f1 ervaring op laten doen.

      Als ocon met die zware Mercedes lekker kan strijden in de middenmoot. Vind ik prima om erbij te hebben.

      Als er een zware williams meedoet , samen met een zware mclaren die lekker met elkaar duelleren al is het op 4 rondjes.. zolang ze de kop niet hinderen. ik vind het prima.

      • + 1
      • 3 okt 2018 - 16:13
    • Royalere, als je bedoelt met "nooit anders" dat er maar twee wagens per team waren dan klopt dat niet. In de beginjaren van f1 hadden teams soms meer wagens dan 2 en ook soms maar 1 trouwens. Zo won Alfa Romeo de eerste race ooit en werd daarbij tweede en derde.

      Maar dat idee over een extra klasse met oude auto's is niet zo gek.

      • + 0
      • 3 okt 2018 - 17:29
    • Meer auto,s heeft niks met de indeling of format van het raceweekend te maken ,denk dat de meeste fans er wel minimaal 6 autos bij willen... Mooiste zou meerdere nieuwe teams ,maar desnoods een aantal teams met 3 autos scheelt ook...

      • + 0
      • 3 okt 2018 - 20:42
    • ringo

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      of moeten ze regelement zo aanpassen dat een fabrikant een 2de team in kan voeren, kunnen ze gelijk twee rookies ingooien ;) als je al kijkt wat er rond loopt en zelf geen contract geeft moeten ze zelf maar met de blaren zitten.. als de 3de wagen een ballast krijgt of een beperking met punten ook al wint hij de race vind ik het ook niet sociaal , ook commercieel gezien is het leuker voor de rijkere teams... Of 3de auto invoeren maar ze moeten deel van hun geld afstaan aan de kleinere teams. Dat compenseerd :)

      • + 0
      • 3 okt 2018 - 23:29
  • Of ik overschat de toeschouwers of Steiner onderschat de toeschouwers.

    Maar zodra je kunt begrijpen hoe het komt dat er snelheidsverschil tussen verschillende teams zit, zal je de uitleg over de 3e auto op welke manier dit dan ook word ingevoerd word ook wel begrijpen.

    • + 0
    • 3 okt 2018 - 15:58
  • 3 auto's per team is een nood scenario als er minder dan 20 auto's op de grid staan. Dat heeft Bernie toen bedongen bij het concorde verdrag.

    • + 0
    • 3 okt 2018 - 16:20
  • Dat de teams die een derde wagen willen dan ook een vierde inzetten, andere livery erop en om jonge ingenieurs op te leiden ook een ander chassis eronder. Zo... opgelost!

    • + 0
    • 3 okt 2018 - 16:34
  • WjayW

    Posts: 202

    Ik zie er dan eerder iets in om een 2e teaminschrijving goedkoper te maken, zodat een bestaand team een eigen satelliet team kan runnen. Bijvoorbeeld een Mercedes AMG F1 en Mercedes F1 TEST.
    Geef ze wat andere kleursamenstellingen, eventueel andere sponsors, wellicht wat technische restricties en voila... het is een nieuw team op de grid, met een (ietwat beperkte) zelfde auto.

    • + 0
    • 3 okt 2018 - 16:35
  • Caramba

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    Ik ben nieuwsgierig naar welke oplossing Steiner dan wel heeft om het startveld weer tot fatsoenlijke proporties op te vullen.
    Oh, heeft ie die niet?
    Waarom wordt dit soort mensen dan serieus genomen?

    • + 0
    • 3 okt 2018 - 16:36
    • Steiner lijkt altijd wel een beetje het brein achter het plan van haas. dus die heeft in ieder geval geholpen dat er met haas een volledig nieuwe team op de grid staat waardoor we 20 auto's hebben.

      daarbij hebben ze ook een signaal afgegeven dat het voor nieuwe teams best mogelijk is om competitief te zijn.


      Nu ik dit zo type, eigenlijk raar dat steiner er tegen is 3e auto's op de grid te brengen omdat dat moeilijk is voor de fans. terwijl ze zelf met een behoorlijke doordachte constructie Ferrari onderdelen op de baan brengen.

      • + 0
      • 3 okt 2018 - 16:42
    • d@nny

      Posts: 3.226

      Caramba, Steiner werkt notabene voor het enige volledig nieuwe F1 team dat in de laatste 20 (?) jaar een beetje succesvol is geweest en jij kraakt hem af?

      • + 0
      • 3 okt 2018 - 18:18
    • Caramba

      Posts: 5.786

      Jongens wel even bij het onderwerp blijven he. En dat is dat geen enkele teambaas op uitbreiding zit te wachten, omdat ij het startgeld e.d. dan over meer hoofden moeten verdelen. Dus die moet je het ook niet vragen.

      • + 0
      • 3 okt 2018 - 18:44
    • d@nny

      Posts: 3.226

      Dan moet jij je ook wat beter uitdrukken :-)

      Echter Toto (toch een teambaas) wil wel degelijk uitbreiding.

      Voor mij is de enige oplossing meer teams, maar dat houden de huidige regels en kosten tegen in mijn ogen. Er zal dus wat moeten gebeuren mbt de regels en kosten om het interesant te maken voor nieuwe teams om in te stappen.

      Het is toch hartstikke jammer (dat vind ik tenminste) dat teams zoals Carlin, Prema etc goed in de junioren klassen rijden maar de sprong niet naar F1 willen of kunnen maken.

      • + 0
      • 4 okt 2018 - 10:25
  • Dan krijg je nog meer "gezeik"met teamorders etc.. Dus doe maar niet inderdaad..

    • + 1
    • 3 okt 2018 - 17:48
  • FredEx

    Posts: 1.002

    blue flag,blue flag....!!!!

    • + 0
    • 3 okt 2018 - 20:24
  • MrD

    Posts: 194

    Wat mij betreft (en zeker na afgelopen weekend) mag heel dat teamgebeuren in de prullenbak. Of in ieder geval een scheiding van teams en fabrikanten.
    Voer een regel in waar de fabrikanten (Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault, Honda, etc...) hun motorpakket aan alle teams moeten aanbieden en dat een team met een van de aangeboden motorpakketten moet rijden. Daarnaast moet elk beschikbaar pakket moet aan alle teams aangeboden worden voor dezelfde prijs. En dat pakket mag dan afgenomen worden door meerdere teams. Fabrieksteam of niet. En als er dan ergens een maximum opgelegd moet worden dan is het aan de prijs waarvoor fabrikanten het pakket aan mogen bieden aan de teams.
    O en software, en motorenupdates zitten in het pakket en worden aan alle afnemers op hetzelfde moment verspreid. Of je er dan ook gebruik van gaat maken is aan het team.

    Zo geef je meer teams de kans om met eenzelfde motorpakket te rijden en ontstaat er imo een veel evenwichtiger veld. Ook de concurrentie en de druk voor de fabrikanten wordt dan veel interessanter omdat er meer auto's van een bepaald pakket afhankelijk zijn.

    Pff wat een verhaal zeg. Ik hoop dat ik het zelf nog begrijp nu. ;-)

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    • 3 okt 2018 - 21:57

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