Pirelli bevestigt cynisme van Verstappen: "Kapotte band veroorzaakt door brokstukken"

  • Gepubliceerd op 07 jun 2021 08:58
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

De ontplofte banden van Lance Stroll en Max Verstappen brengen de discussie over de kwaliteit van de Pirelli-banden weer naar boven. Beide coureurs crashten gisteren op vrijwel identieke wijze; de band linksachter klapte waardoor zowel de Aston Martin- als Red Bull-coureur in de muur crashten.

Vrijwel meteen werd er hoofdschuddend gepraat over de Pirelli-banden, en zoals we Max Verstappen kennen was hij ook meteen duidelijk: "Pirelli zal wel weer zeggen dat het aan troep op de baan lag, brokstukken. Dat weten we inmiddels dat ze dat altijd roepen, maar dat is niet zo. Maar wat kan je ertegen zeggen?"

Glazen bol Verstappen

Alsof Verstappen de cijfers voor de Lotto kan gaan voorspellen, duurde het niet lang of zijn gedachten werden realiteit. Pirelli-baas Mario Isola: "We moeten eerst de banden analyseren voor we de oorzaak van de crash kunnen achterhalen."

"Mijn eerste suggestie is echter dat er troep op het circuit heeft gelegen waardoor de banden linksachter kapot zijn gegaan. Die band krijgt namelijk niet de meeste druk op het circuit in Bakoe. We gaan eerst onderzoek plegen, daarna komen we met een officiële verklaring."

Brokstukken uit 2019 nog....

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  • 7 jun 2021 - 09:20

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  • Tja wie weet heeft Pirelli wel gelijk. Er zijn veel meer coureurs met vergelijkbaar aantal ronden of zelfs meer, die geen klapper hebben gehad.

    • + 1
    • 7 jun 2021 - 08:59
    • Dat is een redenatie die niet telt, Woodface. Er moet er altijd 1 de eerste zijn. Na Stroll was dat Verstappen. Zoveel verschil zat er niet in de banden wat rondjes betreft tussen de heren vooraan.

      Daarbij zouden de banden veel langer mee hebben kunnen gaan.

      Ben het eens dat het wel degelijk een klapband door rommel kan zijn.

      Wat er echt is gebeurd blijft speculatie.

      • + 1
      • 7 jun 2021 - 09:12
    • Maar bij welke stukken debris is het dan gebeurt bij Stroll? Die reed letterlijk nog maar 27 ronde op die band. Kijk dat een Max een klapband krijgt kun je nog verweren dat het door Stroll zijn brokstukken komt. Maar de klapband van Stroll was een hele rare. Zulke incidenten moeten ook onderzocht worden door een 3e partij en niet Pirelli zelf.

      • + 15
      • 7 jun 2021 - 09:15
    • Eens dat altijd iemand de eerste moet zijn en dat de banden veel langer mee zouden moeten gaan.

      Waar het om gaat is dat Max sceptisch is over iets waarvan de oorzaak niet duidelijk is gebaseerd op eerdere ervaringen.
      Velen nemen het over en geven Pirelli de schuld op basis van????

      Stel dat Pirelli zegt dat het rommel is, wie gaat dit dan geloven na uitspraken van Max?? Weinig, geloof me maar.

      Kortom een derde partij zou inderdaad de juiste zijn om dit te onderzoeken.

      Kom er maar in Michelin, Bridgestone :-)

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2021 - 09:28
  • vond het een koddig zicht, dat schopje van Max tegen die linker achterband :P

    • + 2
    • 7 jun 2021 - 09:01
    • Vooral met die reclametekst van Pirelli in de achtergrond ;-)

      • + 6
      • 7 jun 2021 - 09:11
    • Ja het was idd. een beetje een Laurel en Hardy schopje.

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2021 - 09:18
    • Rijp voor mooie foto's en alle memes.

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2021 - 09:51
    • Ik zag al een paint voorbij komen waar Max de auto van Hamilton een trap gaf waardoor hij rechtdoor schoot😂

      • + 1
      • 7 jun 2021 - 10:39
    • Ik dacht nog; oei, Max, denk aa je enkel. Maar gelukkig liep hij noet mank na die trap tegen doe vervelende band.

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2021 - 19:04
  • Wij van Wc Eend gaan Wc Eend nog eens goed onderzoeken, maar er was niets mis met Wc Eend!

    • + 3
    • 7 jun 2021 - 09:10
  • Los gezien dat het Max overkwam en ook Stroll, is dit natuurlijk weer een reden om nog conservatiever te zijn voor Pirelli.

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2021 - 09:12
  • nutstree

    Posts: 545

    wat is dan de oorzaak van de klapband bij stroll?

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2021 - 09:13
  • Numnum

    Posts: 4.863

    Dus er blijkt nog helemaal geen analyse geweest.
    Maar de aanname klinkt iig wel plausibel.

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2021 - 09:31
  • Bulldog

    Posts: 685

    @gptoday had een reactie geplaatst en deze was ook zichtbaar, hebben jullie deze toevallig verwijderd? Want het was geen rare reactie?!

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2021 - 09:40
    • Bulldog

      Posts: 685

      Had hem zelf zien staan als 2e reactie.

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2021 - 09:46
    • Beetle

      Posts: 2.259

      Ja, je bent te kritisch geweest. En terecht, er staat ook heel wat anders in de kop dan de tekst suggereert.

      • + 1
      • 7 jun 2021 - 10:33
    • Bulldog

      Posts: 685

      @beetle dat was ook mijn reactie dat de titel anders suggereert dan de tekst. Maar zou m’n reactie om die reden verwijdert zijn??

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2021 - 10:55
    • Cicero

      Posts: 1.281

      Was volgens mij mijn reactie, waarin ik zei dat het geen brokstukken hoogveen te zijn, maar dat er ergens op de baan iets lag waar de band overheen schuurde. Weet niet meer hoe ik het verwoord had.
      Ik blijf dit een mogelijkheid vinden, het zal een bocht zijn waar ze in de race misschien minder risico nemen dan in de trainingen. Het kan vanalles zijn. Maar puin lijkt me sterk bij drie auto's op dezelfde band

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2021 - 13:17
    • Edgar

      Posts: 1.690

      Een titel die wat anders suggereerd? Wat een verrassing...

      • + 0
      • 8 jun 2021 - 05:47
  • Politik

    Posts: 8.359

    Onderzoek loopt natuurlijk nog, in de loop van de week zal Pirelli wel met een statement komen.

    Zoals het er nu uitziet, kan het haast niet aan slijtage hebben gelegen. De teams kregen geen signalen over te hoge temperaturen of vibraties.
    Daarbij wordt de rechter achterband veel zwaarder belast dan de linker, omdat er 12 bochten naar links zijn en 8 bochten naar rechts.

    Isola heeft aangegeven, dat de kerbs ook een oorzaak kunnen zijn. De vraag is dan; zijn de banden te zwak of de kerbs te hoog cq. te scherp. Die eerste optie lijkt onwaarschijnlijk, omdat Pirelli afgelopen winter de constructie van de banden nog heeft versterkt. Wat betreft de kerbs die zijn in slechts 4 van de 8 bochten naar rechts aanwezig.

    Hoe dan ook, Pirelli is er veel aan gelegen om dit tot de bodem uit te zoeken en als het even kan, aan te tonen dat de geklapte banden een externe oorzaak hadden.

    Wordt vervolgd.

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2021 - 09:44
    • Dus toch botte pech en geen onnodig risico genomen door de teams?

      • + 3
      • 7 jun 2021 - 09:57
    • Politik

      Posts: 8.359

      @Pallmall,

      Wil eerst het onderzoek nog wel eens afwachten.
      Pirelli heeft aangegeven dat ze beelden van de race uitvoerig gaan bestuderen. Op de aanwezigheid van vuil of brokstukken, maar ook de manier waarop Lance, Max en ook Lewis over de kerbs in de 4 bewuste bochten reden.

      Wat heel frappant is, is dat het bij alle 3 de coureurs om linksachter ging, wat brokstukken als oorzaak wel heel toevallig zal maken.

      • + 2
      • 7 jun 2021 - 10:03
  • De Stroll crash was toch wel problematisch aangezien die band zo'n 32 ronden oud was. De meesten hadden gepland om rond de 40+ ronden te rijden. Of Pirelli gelijk heeft of niet, dit voelde als een ongeluk dat je heel gauw kon verwachten.

    • + 1
    • 7 jun 2021 - 09:49
    • Politik

      Posts: 8.359

      Banden van Stroll waren 30 ronden oud die van Verstappen 33 ronden.
      Vrijwel identieke situatie dus.

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2021 - 11:31
    • Vrij zorgelijk dus aangezien de meesten gingen voor 40 ronden.

      • + 1
      • 7 jun 2021 - 13:21
    • Politik

      Posts: 8.359

      Absoluut!

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2021 - 18:58
    • Niet vergeten dat er bij Max z'n set banden een periode van de safety-car zat, als ik me niet vergis waren dat 5 ronden en dat zou dan tellen als 1 - 2 gewone ronden.

      • + 0
      • 8 jun 2021 - 14:17
  • JV fan

    Posts: 2.523

    Nu klopte die grafiek van aws wel… (vlak voor de klapband zag je in de grafiek de verschil tussen Hamilton en Perez hun banden ..

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2021 - 10:10
    • Die grafiek geeft een inschatting (!) van de resterende “performance” van de banden.

      • + 2
      • 7 jun 2021 - 11:30
  • Dit is het probleem van 1 leverancier. Je weet niet of ze echt hun best doen om het allerbeste te leveren.

    Ik stel voor een nieuwe bandenoorlog. In plaats van verplicht stappen van soft naar hard, verplicht stoppen van merk A naar merk B. Wil F1 toch liever 2 stops zien dan verplichten ze tanken maar weer in te voeren met als regel dat dit niet samen mag met de bandenwissel. Alle autos direct een stuk lichter.

    • + 1
    • 7 jun 2021 - 11:33
  • FredericS

    Posts: 739

    Wat is het probleem dan van Stroll?,

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2021 - 12:28
    • Voor Stroll en Verstappen moet nog onderzoek gedaan worden. De titel is helaas beetje misleidend a la Telegraaf ;-)

      Pirelli-baas Mario Isola: "We moeten eerst de banden analyseren voor we de oorzaak van de crash kunnen achterhalen."

      "Mijn eerste suggestie is echter dat er troep op het circuit heeft gelegen waardoor de banden linksachter kapot zijn gegaan. Die band krijgt namelijk niet de meeste druk op het circuit in Bakoe. We gaan eerst onderzoek plegen, daarna komen we met een officiële verklaring."

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2021 - 16:58
  • mcmoragh

    Posts: 32

    Maar goed dat Perez de overwinning niet aan Max heeft opgedragen want daar koopt ie namelijk niks voor, net als al die anderen die dat ook niet deden, het staat wel heel betrokken maar dat is om jezelf genoegdoening te geven. Perez heeft goed gereden en terecht als winnaar over de streep gekomen.

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2021 - 12:49
  • jd2000

    Posts: 6.646

    Niet Pirelli moet onderzoek doen, maar de FIA. Gewoon raar dat die rubberkneuzen hun eigen waar gaan onderzoeken

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2021 - 17:25
  • Aan wie moet Pirelli verantwoording afleggen? Wat is de minimum bewijslast? En in hoeverre worden teams hierover gebriefd? Als een persbericht van Pirelli volstaat, lijkt me dat toch wel onvoldoende. De FIA heeft toch geen blanco cheque uitgeschreven aan deze bandenleverancier? De veronderstelling van Pirelli is zeker niet onrealistisch, die van Max is begrijpelijk beladen met emotie.

    • + 0
    • 7 jun 2021 - 19:06
    • jd2000

      Posts: 6.646

      Heeft helemaal niks met Max te maken. Tijdens de trainingen bleek al dat er iets niet goed was en moest de bandenspanning omhoog gebracht worden. Pirelli is een slager die z'n eigen vlees keurt.

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2021 - 19:36
    • Ik zeg toch ook niet dat het iets met Max te maken heeft. Maar we zitten met twee uitspraken die lijnrecht tegenover elkaar staan. Vandaar mijn vraag naar de onpartijdige scheidsrechter. Die beantwoord je in je laatste zin. Maar is dat ook zo, Pirelli heeft toch contractuele verplichtingen naar de FIA?

      • + 0
      • 7 jun 2021 - 20:00

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