Hoge bandenspanning Pirelli boosdoener van slecht weekend Ferrari

  • Gepubliceerd op 22 jun 2021 14:30
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  • Door: Rob Veenstra

Ferrari moet snel tot de bodem uitzoeken waarom het afgelopen weekend niet optimaal kon presteren tijdens de Franse GP. Beide coureurs erkennen net als teambaas Mattia Binotto dat het prestatieniveau beneden pijl was, nadat geen van de zes door Ferrari aangedreven auto's ook maar één punt scoorde bij Paul Ricard.

Volgens de Finse krant Iltalehti was de uitslag van zondag een ramp voor het legendarische Italiaanse merk. "Met nul punten doofde het ontluikende sprankje hoop van de afgelopen races uit. Enzo Ferrari, die 33 jaar geleden stierf, zou zich in zijn graf omdraaien als iemand hem zou vertellen dat een Williams en AlphaTauri voor zijn auto zouden eindigen", aldus de krant.

Te hete banden

Hoewel de door Ferrari aangedreven Alfa Romeo en Haas het ook moeilijk hadden, denkt Binotto dat het probleem meer gerelateerd is aan de banden in plaats van aan de motor.

Teambaas Binotto zei tegen La Gazzetta dello Sport: "Er is iets misgegaan. We hadden te maken met slijtage, dus we moeten begrijpen of het te maken heeft met oververhitting van de banden."

Op de vraag of Pirelli's beslissing om de bandenspanning dit weekend te verhogen de boosdoener zou kunnen zijn, antwoordde de Italiaan: "Het zou de oorzaak kunnen zijn, maar we zullen het moeten analyseren."

Sauber

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Enzo Ferrari heeft wel vaker gezien dat er Williams voor zijn auto's eindigen. Alpha Tauri's niet😉

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  • 22 jun 2021 - 14:42

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  • Sauber

    Posts: 240

    Enzo Ferrari heeft wel vaker gezien dat er Williams voor zijn auto's eindigen. Alpha Tauri's niet😉

    • + 5
    • 22 jun 2021 - 14:42
    • Als ze Enzo boven een vuurtje aan een spit hadden gedaan was ie nu rondom goed gaar geweest.

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 20:20
    • Met alle respect voor Enzo Ferrari uiteraard!

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 20:21
  • Die motor lijkt nog steeds zwaar te kort te komen. en met de bevriezingen nu van een jaartje of 3/4 moet je maar hopen dat je volgend jaar een beest van een wagen bouwt, Iets wat ze wel kunnen. maar Hond/RB/Mercedes en zelfs rrenault lijken een sterkere motor te hebben.

    Dat geintje van 2 jaar geleden kan ze wel eens nog duurder komen te staan.

    • + 0
    • 22 jun 2021 - 14:48
    • aanvulling: de wagen is zelf wel gewoon heel goed van Ferrari, Ik denk na Mercedes/RB zelfs het beste. Dat zagen we wel in Monaco en deels in Baku.

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 14:49
    • NFS1

      Posts: 684

      Ze stonden in Monaco en Baku op pole vanwege de rode vlag. Maar ondanks dat toch een goede qualifier prestatie. Inhalen is in Monaco onmogelijk en lastig tot onmogelijk bij een DRS trein in Baku en dat verbloemd dan wel weer de race pace die ze niet hebben.

      • + 1
      • 22 jun 2021 - 15:05
    • meister

      Posts: 3.464

      Renault naar verluid 1000pk toch?

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 15:28
    • Renault had 2 jaar geleden al 1000pk. Die zitten nu op 1200.

      • + 2
      • 22 jun 2021 - 16:11
    • Bulldog

      Posts: 685

      @dumdum gerucht gaat dat Renault nu 2750pk hebben

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 16:26
    • Nee, Renault zit pas net boven de 2000pk (maar dan wel met 2 auto's)

      • + 1
      • 22 jun 2021 - 16:38
    • Ai ai ai, humor is duidelijk niet aan iedereen besteed.

      • + 1
      • 22 jun 2021 - 17:45
    • We komen hier niet om te lachen @dop.

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 20:25
  • Joeppp

    Posts: 7.329

    Heeft Binotto nu eigen haar op een playmobile pruikje?

    • + 2
    • 22 jun 2021 - 14:57
  • Ze hebben altijd wat daar ….

    • + 0
    • 22 jun 2021 - 15:06
    • Verhaaltje van Finnen. Binotto moet ook de Finse suggestie analyseren. Ze komen er wel achter.

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 18:36
  • 4mula1

    Posts: 394

    Ze kunnen uitleggen wat ze willen het zal ze niet helpen gewoon omdat er hier altijd wel een paar experts zijn die het weer eens veel beter weten.

    • + 1
    • 22 jun 2021 - 15:39
    • Huh, wie dan?

      • + 1
      • 22 jun 2021 - 17:16
    • Snork

      Posts: 18.653

      4mula1, die is de enige expert hier. Of Jokertje of vPutten, je mag kiezen. Die “expert” is in hetzelfde liedje volstrekt kansloos steeds weer te zingen.
      Waar is dat blikken blaasorkest als je ze nodig hebt voor een begeleidend deuntje?
      Ok, kom er maar in Jokertje.

      • + 3
      • 22 jun 2021 - 21:10
    • gaap

      • + 1
      • 22 jun 2021 - 21:25
    • Volgens mij legt Bino juist helemaal niks uit lmfao.

      • + 1
      • 22 jun 2021 - 22:16
  • MisterED

    Posts: 414

    Knap dat die Binotto daar nog steeds zit.

    • + 1
    • 22 jun 2021 - 15:47
    • Ik vind het vooral knap dat de ´tifosi´ nog niet massaal in opstand zijn geraakt. De strijd tussen RB en Mercedes verbloemt een hoop. Maar in elk ander jaar waren ze afgebrand in de Nederlandse media.

      Ik denk dat als ze volgend jaar niet mee kunnen doen om de titel de pleuris daar uitbreekt. Ferrari hoort sowieso bij de eerste 3 teams te zitten. et een uitschieter naar boven.

      Aan de rijders ligt het niet, Dat zit wel snor. Ik zie nu ook veel Fans die denken dat het volgend jaar wel even allemaal goed komt, Maar ik zou niet weten hoe ze die motor ineens veel sneller gaan maken. Misschien toveren ze wat uit de hoge hoed. En met die nieuwe wagens is er ook veel mogelijk. Maar volgend jaar moeten ze er wel weer staan.

      Ik vind de fans veel geduld hebben.

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 15:53
    • @Royalere Dan begrijp je Ferrarifans niet. Wij hebben geen opties. Ik zal sterven als Ferrarifan, zo eenvoudig is dat. Al zie ik nooit nog een titel naar Maranello komen.

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 18:31
    • Misschien zit daar wel de fout @Rcm.
      De titel haal je op de baan, die komt niet naar Maranella toe.

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 20:31
    • Ik heb altijd wel respect voor mensen die volharden in de boosheid. Zeker als het eens minder goed gaat, keihard achter het team of de piloot blijven staan (idem in het zakenleven).

      Ferrari komt het wel te boven - blij dat Binotto de storm lijkt te hebben doorstaan ondanks de laatste race zitten ze wel in een positief elan. De Pirelli's baren hen nu duidelijk zorgen, maar daar zijn ze niet de enige. De PU krijgen ze wel terug op niveau en ze hebben 2 schitterende piloten om hen daarbij verder te helpen.

      De lange termijn visie blijkt toegelaten te worden daar in Maranello en dat werkt verfrissend goed. Je ziet ook de mentaliteitsverandering vorm te krijgen met de immer kalme Binotto aan het roer. Op die manier komen de rooie wel terug naar het voorste linies waar ze thuis horen, daar ben ik zeker van.

      • + 1
      • 23 jun 2021 - 13:05
  • Niet de eerste keer dat Ferrari ver terugzakt na het verduidelijken van bepaalde regels. En apart dat Red Bull er weinig hinder van lijkt te hebben. Nog meer reden om je af te vragen of knoeien met de bandenspanning wel de aanleiding was van de ploffen in Baku.

    • + 1
    • 22 jun 2021 - 15:57
    • Hmmmm. Denk jij dat het ook door de flex vleugel komt. hupholland? Daar had ik nog niet aan gedacht eigenlijk.

      Maar verder lezend bedoel je de bandendruk natuurlijk.

      Laat maar.

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 15:59
    • ik roep ook maar wat hoor, maar Pirelli heeft het bandendruk verhaal erbij gehaald en nu lijkt Ferrari daar misschien wel het grootste slachtoffer van te worden. En Mercedes had er misschien ook wel meer last van dan 'aanstichter' Red Bull. Ik vind dat toch wel vrij opmerkelijk.

      • + 3
      • 22 jun 2021 - 16:06
    • Of Binotti vind met de vinger naar Pirelli wijzen ook wel een handige uitleg voor in de media.
      Pirelli is toch al in de hoek gezet.

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 20:36
  • en er werd gezegd dat McLaren, als schoothondje van Mercedes, Red Bull op de korrel had toen ze vroegen om meer transparantie, maar dat was wellicht meer gericht aan hun directe concurrent Ferrari.

    • + 2
    • 22 jun 2021 - 16:01
  • Henery

    Posts: 294

    Titel: “Hoge bandenspanning boosdoener”
    Benotto: “Het zou de oorzaak kunnen zijn”

    Blijkbaar weten de journalisten op deze website de oorzaak al zonder dat er onderzoek naar gedaan is. Misschien toch eens bij Ferrari solliciteren, mensen met deze diepgaande kennis worden daar te node gemist.

    • + 1
    • 22 jun 2021 - 16:01
  • Oververhitting van de banden en te hoge bandenspanning zijn tegenstrijdig met elkaar. Als je banden te heet worden, verhoog je met racen je bandenspanning. Een hogere bandenspanning geeft minder flex in het carcas van de band, waardoor minder warmte word gegenereerd. Omgekeerd, als je de banden niet op temperatuur krijgt, laat je de bandenspanning zakken. De hoeveelheid mechanische grip die een band levert, wordt op zijn beurt weer gemaximaliseerd op het moment dat je in staat bent om de bandentemperatuur binnnen de optimale bandbreedte te krijgen en te houden (meestal tussen de 100 en 130 graden Celsius in de F1).

    • + 1
    • 22 jun 2021 - 16:35
    • Mooie verheldering! Alleen bepaalt Pirelli de bandenspanning en moeten teams het er maar mee doen

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 16:42
    • Niet helemaal, Pirelli geeft alleen de minimum spanning aan. Teams mogen gerust met een hogere bandenspanning rijden, al zal dat niet snel het geval zijn.

      • + 1
      • 22 jun 2021 - 17:38
    • Pirelli geeft een marge aan volgens mij. 20-22 psi, zoals bijvoorbeeld in Baku.

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 18:39
    • Beetle

      Posts: 2.259

      Dus niet, een hogere bandenspanning zorgt ervoor dat de auto meer glijd. Dus minder grip. Meer glijden geeft nog meer warmte dus gaat van kwaad naar erger

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 19:33
    • Snork

      Posts: 18.653

      throttlemeister, dus niet. Warmte komt uit wrijving. Wrijving komt uit verplaatsing van rubber ten opzichte van het wegdek. Zoals Beetle het zegt, door glijden. Wrijf maar met je handen, dat dus. Bij hoge spanning is er net wat minder contactvlak, dus meer glijden en dus mogelijk teveel warmteontwikkeling.
      Mocht je nog twijfelen, het is niet voor niks dat teams achter een safety car slingeren, namelijk om warmte in de banden te wrijven.

      • + 0
      • 22 jun 2021 - 21:14
    • @beetle en @Snork, het spijt me maar jullie hebben geen idee waar je het over hebt. Je argument mag misschien logisch klinken als je niet weet hoe het werkt, maar het is echt niet waar.

      1) verlies van tractie (dus glijden) geeft minder warmte in banden dan maximale tractie. Je kunt met driften zelfs temperatuur uit de banden verliezen. (en dan heb ik het uiteraard niet over driften in de zin van het oproken van banden)
      2) slingeren ziet er leuk uit, maar doet niet vreselijk veel voor de warmte in een band op die lage snelheid. Het remmen en optrekken is wat zorgt voor opwarmen.

      Doe gerust eens Google aanzwengelen om te leren hoe het werkt met bandenspanningen en temperaturen.

      • + 1
      • 23 jun 2021 - 09:44
    • Beetle

      Posts: 2.259

      Throtllemeister, inderdaad, je hebt geen idee. Na ongeveer 15 jaar kart en autosport weet ik echt wel hoe het werkt....

      • + 0
      • 23 jun 2021 - 10:38
    • Snork

      Posts: 18.653

      throttlemeister, geloof jij jouw theorie. Ik de mijne. Ik hoef geen gelijk te krijgen. Leg ons alleen dan even uit waarom F1 auto’s zo slingeren achter de safety car en waarom ze vlak voor de start nog een paar burn outs doen.

      • + 0
      • 23 jun 2021 - 23:49
  • Wat deed Enzo eigenlijk in zijn graf toen Schumi de titels binnenhaalden? En daarna ook nog eens Kimi? Enzo is legendarisch maar ondertussen wel dood, met alle respect.

    • + 0
    • 22 jun 2021 - 18:34
  • Kampsie

    Posts: 811

    Beneden pijl? ⬇️

    • + 0
    • 22 jun 2021 - 19:16
  • LimboF1

    Posts: 6.088

    Kijken de vorige races, dan was het wel vreemd om te zien dat Ferrari opeens weer zoveel tekort kwam. Het zullen een deel factoren zijn vermoed ik, ik vond de Ferrari’s erg nerveus en dat kunnen de banden zijn. Maar ja, als het de banden zijn, dan is het nooit de fout van Pirelli met hun topproducten.

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    • 23 jun 2021 - 08:00

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