Formule 1 denkt aan nieuwe regel bij gele vlaggen in kwalificatie

  • Gepubliceerd op 12 okt 2021 11:38
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  • Door: Bob Plaizier

De Formule 1 overweegt nieuwe regels in te voeren omtrent gele vlaggen in de kwalificatie. In Turkije zette Fernando Alonso namelijk een snelle tijd neer terwijl er een gele vlag hing, hij kreeg overigens geen straf. Mogelijk worden de nieuwe regels over twee weken in Austin al getest.

Race Director Michael Masi is in ieder geval van plan iets te doen. De Australiër gaat hierop in, in gesprek met Motorsport.com. Masi: "Laten we kijken wat we kunnen doen in Austin. We hebben het gedaan met track limits. We kunnen op welke punten het kan werken en we moeten er voorzorgen dat er geen onbedoelde consequenties zijn."

De sport overweegt om een model uit de wereld van de tweewielers te lenen. In de MotoGP is er namelijk een regel dat dat een neergezette tijd direct na een gele vlag ongeldig wordt verklaard. Daardoor verbleekt de discussie of de coureur wel of niet moest afremmen.

Masi gaat er in ieder geval naar kijken: "Op papier ziet het eruit als een goede oplossing maar je moet door het hele proces heen gaan. In ieder geval hebben we een meeting met het sports advisory committee deze week en dit is een van de dingen op de agenda."

Sun-Tzu

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Sowieso is het de vraag waarom er in hemelsnaam regels aangepast moeten worden??? De regels zijn op dit punt al glashelder. Zo glashelder dat zelf Interpolis er niet tegenop kan boxen.

Bij geel moet je aantoonbaar met de data hebben ingehouden, in de regel op zijn minst (kort) liften. Bij dubbel... [Lees verder]

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  • 12 okt 2021 - 14:49

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  • Kappen met regels tijdens het seizoen te veranderen.

    Waarom dit nu veranderen? Paar weken geleden werd er nog een monteur aangereden en daarna verandert de FIA ook niet regels.

    En dit gaat leuk worden met geel direct de tijd afnemen. Dus rijder x gaat over de lijn en spint daarna oftewel geel en iedereen die dan over start finishlijn gaat word de tijd van afgenomen? Beetje raar toch. Terwijl die anderen rijders daar helemaal niet rijden.

    Als je dit wil doen, verplicht dan het gebruik van de pitlimiter in de gele vlag sectie.

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    • 12 okt 2021 - 12:16
    • Sun-Tzu

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      Sowieso is het de vraag waarom er in hemelsnaam regels aangepast moeten worden??? De regels zijn op dit punt al glashelder. Zo glashelder dat zelf Interpolis er niet tegenop kan boxen.

      Bij geel moet je aantoonbaar met de data hebben ingehouden, in de regel op zijn minst (kort) liften. Bij dubbel geel moet je overduidelijk van je gas gaan, in de regel op zijn minst geremd hebben en in staat zijn snel tot volledige stilstand te komen. Zodra je de groene vlag krijgt, mag je desgewenst weer vol doortrappen.

      In regensessies kunnen de verschillen, zeker bij een opdrogende baan, enorm zijn. Daardoor kan het simpelweg zijn dat op een stuk baan waar enkel geel hangt lift om vervolgens op de rest van de baan waar groen hangt alsnog veel tijdwinst kan pakken. Je tijd verbeteren is dan reglementair gewoon prima, waarbij je ook nog eens het goede oog voor de veiligheid had.

      In droogweer is een tijd verbeteren onder dubbel geel nagenoeg onmogelijk, dus dat 'probleem' lost zich vanzelf op. Pas wanneer je een bankerlap had staan die zeg 30 seconden van de normale snelheid af ligt, kan het zijn dat je onder dubbel geel alsnog je tijd weet te verbeteren, ondanks dat je vol inhoudt op het stukje baan met dubbel geel.

      Waar het juist mis is gegaan en waardoor deze zinloze discussie er is, is het feit dat de wedstrijdleiding dubbel geel al jaren zelf niet meer respecteert. Men handhaaft simpelweg niet zoals men hoort te doen. Gevolg? Geen coureur die dubbel geel echt nog serieus neemt. Herinneren wij ons ene Bianchi nog die bij dubbel geel op Suzuka gewoon volgas doorging? Ja het is hard om te zeggen, want de afloop was dramatisch, maar hoe komt het dat hij geen seconde de behoefte had in te houden? Herinneren wij ons ook nog Rosberg op de Hungaroring die onder dubbel geel Pole pakte en mocht behouden?

      Dus beste wedstrijdleiding, ga geen nieuwe regels verzinnen voor iets dat niet kapot is, ga gewoon eens je werk doen zoals het wordt verwacht. Dan lost dit 'probleem' zich vanzelf op...

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      • 12 okt 2021 - 14:49
    • Beri

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      "Dus rijder x gaat over de lijn en spint daarna oftewel geel en iedereen die dan over start finishlijn gaat word de tijd van afgenomen?"

      Precies wat zo zou moeten zijn. Kom je als coureur door en (al dan opzettelijke) dubbel geel gezwaaid, dan hoort je tijd gewoon niet te verbeteren omdat je, volgens de regels, snelheid moet minderen en daarmee automatisch een tijd neerzet die niet beter is dan je beste tijd.
      Dus het automatisch afpakken van een tijd zou in de praktijk niks uit mogen maken.
      Je voorbeeld van wat als, geldt nu ook al.

      • + 0
      • 12 okt 2021 - 15:58
    • Precies wat @Sun-Tzu zegt!
      Amen.

      • + 1
      • 12 okt 2021 - 16:38
    • @sun met je eens

      @beri
      Nee klopt niet als rijder x over de lijn komt en daarna voor geel zorgt in sector 1. En de anderen rijder zit in sector 3 dan mag die rijder nog volgas gaan en pas bij geel afremmen. Die ronde telt dus. Met deze nieuwe regels die komen gaan, kan het dus zijn dat de rijders in sector 3 hun tijd verliezen. Terwijl er niks aan de hand is.

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      • 12 okt 2021 - 17:10
    • Beri

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      Nee @RedSlow, het gaat om de ronde waarin je langs een gele sector komt. Dus niet als achter je de gele vlag in dezelfde ronde tevoorschijn komt. Dat is hoe ik het op andere sit3s en fora lees. En dat is ook wat logisch is, hoe ik het uitleg.

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      • 12 okt 2021 - 17:24
  • Pitcrew

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    Ligt het aan mij of maakt het dit alleen maar onduidelijker?
    Een tijd gereden direct na een gele vlag wordt geannuleerd.
    Dus coureur A rijdt een snelle ronde, vlak ACHTER hem maakt coureur B een fout en schiet er af, gevolg gele vlag in die sector. Coureur A rijdt nog net in dezelfde sector maar levert verder geen gevaar op, het ongeluk gebeurt immers achter hem.
    Zijn tijd zal echter, als ik het goed begrijp, wel afgepakt worden.

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    • 12 okt 2021 - 12:23
    • Cicero

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      Dus als hamilton in de laatste ronde sneller lijkt te zijn dan Max, dan vragen ze perez even om de wagen stil te zetten. Gele vlag en tijd geannuleerd. Daar hebben ze echt goed over nagedacht

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      • 12 okt 2021 - 12:32
    • Klopt. Het principe is dat direct op het moment dat geel wordt gevlagd de tijd wordt verwijderd. Dus ook als de coureur in die snelle ronde al voorbij dat punt is. Het enige lastige zijn dan die gevallen die op het moment van Geel net wel of net niet over de finishlijn rijden.

      • + 0
      • 12 okt 2021 - 12:33
    • @Cicero: Dat kunnen ze natuurlijk ook aan Bottas vragen ;-)

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      • 12 okt 2021 - 12:35
    • Pitcrew

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      @f(1)orum, als ze niet eens per sector kijken maar direct naar de hele baan wordt het nog gekker! Dan is het wel heel makkelijk om iemand een oor aan te naaien.
      Goed idee weer van de FIA, maar ach, het zal wel weer heel goed zijn voor de veiligheid. Net als die pitsopvertraging van 0,15 sec.

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      • 12 okt 2021 - 12:46
    • @Pitcrew: ik denk dat de FIA zoveel mogelijk af wil van 'moeilijke' discussies zoals wel/niet voldoende van het gas afgegaan bij een gele vlag e.d. Het is een maatregel bedoeld om het 'managen' door de wedstrijdleiding te vereenvoudigen. Het is idd maar de vraag of dit niet eerder 'een kind met badwater' gevalletje aan het worden is...

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      • 12 okt 2021 - 12:51
    • Pitcrew

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      @f(1)orum, dat denk ik dus ook.
      Maar je kunt nu eenmaal niet alles standaardiseren. Sommige situaties vragen nu eenmaal om maatwerk.
      En laten we eerlijk wezen, het is ook gewoon niet nodig. Masi refereert nu aan het geval met Alonso zaterdag, maar dat is toch prima opgelost? Er was onduidelijkheid, men heeft er naar gekeken, alles ok, geen straf en weer door.
      Naar mijn mening krijg je met deze nieuwe regel juist weer meer onduidelijke en oneerlijke situaties

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      • 12 okt 2021 - 14:29
    • @Pitcrew: Mee eens.

      • + 0
      • 12 okt 2021 - 14:31
  • Alles op alles zetten bij je eerste getimede ronde en daarna net voor je concurrent de baan op voor de 2e getimede ronde, rijdt je concurrent paars in sector1 of sector 2 dan maak je even een uitstuipje naar een uitloopstrook oid in sector 3.

    • + 0
    • 12 okt 2021 - 12:27
    • Interesting tactics ;)

      Met 4 autos op de baan kan Red Bull 20 minuten geel veroorzaken en hamilton is er uit in Q1 ;)

      • + 1
      • 12 okt 2021 - 13:30
    • Hoho, er rijden maar liefst 6 auto's met Mercedes motoren tegen slechts 4 met Honda. Dusss...

      • + 0
      • 12 okt 2021 - 14:50
    • Schwantz34@ volgens mij waren het er 8 ;) arme Alpine- Renault zou hier wel helemaal slachtoffer van worden...

      • + 0
      • 12 okt 2021 - 18:46
  • Queensrÿche - Neue Regel.. En da's de enige nieuwe regel die ik leuk vind.


    Zo ...

    • + 1
    • 12 okt 2021 - 18:48
  • Klinkt opzich logisch, maar geldt dat dan ook als de gele vlag achter je wordt gezwaaid? Ik hoop het niet want dat maakt het saboteren van anderen wel een stuk makkelijker.. Even een hele vlag situatie creëren en niemand kan nog een ronde zetten, zelfs mensen voor je niet..

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    • 13 okt 2021 - 11:07

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