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Verbeterpunten voor Verstappen: "Max is zwak op technisch gebied "

Gepubliceerd op 09 nov 2022 11:44
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Door: Bob Plaizier

Max Verstappen maakt al geruime tijd veel indruk in de Formule 1. De Nederlander pakte dit seizoen zijn tweede wereldtitel en verbrak meerdere records. Toch zijn er ook nog verbeterpunten voor Verstappen, voormalig Red Bull-kopstuk Guillaume Rocquelin vindt Verstappen zwakjes op het technische gebied.

Verstappen maakt dit seizoen veel indruk in de Formule 1. De Nederlandse Red Bull Racing-coureur prolongeerde al in Japan zijn wereldtitel en finisht vrijwel in elke race op het podium. Anderhalve week geleden in Mexico verbrak hij tevens het record van de meeste Grand Prix-zeges in één seizoen. In Mexico won hij zijn veertiende Grand Prix van het seizoen en ontving hij wederom veel complimenten.

Vettel

Toch denkt Red Bulls voormalig Head of Engineering Guillaume Rocquelin dat Verstappen nog het een en ander kan verbeteren. In de Franse Eurosport-podcast Les Vous du Volant spreekt hij zich uit: "Ik denk dat Sebastian Vettel een completerende coureur was toen hij arriveerde bij ons. Op het professionele en technische gebied kwam hij van de Schumacher-school. Ik denk dat Max meer natuurlijk talent heeft, dat vertrouwde hij het meeste op. Sebastian was completer. Max is altijd een leider geweest. Hij heeft veel zelfvertrouwen en weet wat hij wil."

Zwak

Rocquelin, tegenwoordig werkzaam bij het Red Bull Junior Team, heeft echter wel een belangrijk puntje van kritiek op Verstappen. "Laat ik eerlijk zijn, Max is zwak op technisch gebied vergeleken met andere coureurs waarmee ik heb gewerkt. Ik denk dat hij daar nog steeds veel progressie kan boeken. Hij is een leider met zijn houding, met zijn resultaten. Ik denk dat hij op technisch gebied en bij de ontwikkeling van de auto nog veel kan verbeteren."

Patrick_St

Posts: 4.600

Ik dacht altijd dat Riccardo Max een nerd noemde omdat hij zoveel technische kennis van de auto had.

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9 nov 2022 - 11:49

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Reacties (93)

poedersuiker

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"voormalig Red Bull-kopstuk"
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- 9 nov 2022 - 11:45
- Zucht
  
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  Op zoek naar wat aandacht
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  9 nov 2022 - 13:07
- NoBullshit
  
  Posts: 4.490
  Yup, hij is kennelijk gedegradeerd van kopstuk naar Red Bull Junior Team :D
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  10 nov 2022 - 10:11
shakedown

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Ik dacht dat verstappen een coureur was. Geen techneut. En verstappen kan prima vertellen wat er mis is en wat hij wel wil voelen. hoe dat technisch gedaan moet worden is toch niet interessant?

Dat is net als dat ik een bepaalde informatie zuil geïnstalleerd wil hebben, dat ik echt niet weet of dat nu met M8 of met M10 groeven vast staat. Boeit me ook niet, als dat ding er maar komt te staan.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 11:46
- schwantz34
  
  Posts: 36.095
  Als die informatie zuil door de shakedown komt vind ik alles best ;)
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  9 nov 2022 - 11:50
- F1jos
  
  Posts: 2.920
  Max laat de techniche kennis van de auto over aan zijn monteurs. Hij wilt een boete van $50.000 niet riskeren door aan een achtervleugel te aaien
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  9 nov 2022 - 16:05
- Giovanni
  
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  Aiai toch,als er iets negatief over this guy gezegd word beginnen de meeste al te steigeren.
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  10 nov 2022 - 07:19
Darth Vader

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Raar verhaal. In andere media las ik dit ook, maar dan dat Max toen ie arriveerde technisch zwak was. Was verder totaal geen uitspraak over het heden.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 11:48
- Cicero
  
  Posts: 1.281
  Dat klopt natuurlijk ook. Tot z'n 15e zat hij in de karts. Dat is heel anders dan een formule wagen. Hij heeft een jaartje in die wagens gezeten. Hij heeft dus dingen overgeslagen die andere coureurs wel hebben mee gemaakt.
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  9 nov 2022 - 12:49
- Darth Vader
  
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  @Cicero klopt! Ik doelde ook meer op de journalistiek hier
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  9 nov 2022 - 13:41
- Snarf058
  
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  Alles voor de clicks en reacties…
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  9 nov 2022 - 23:14
- neor2
  
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  Als je het Engelse interview leest dan zie je dat deze meneer vooral een vergelijking maakt tussen Verstappen en Vettel en dat hij in dat interview aangeeft dat Vettel eigenlijk veel te extreem bezig was met technische details. Dat hij maar door bleef akkeren over zaken die er totaal niet toe doen.
  
  Als dat je referentiekader is, en er komt een rookie met een handvol races autosport ervaring binnen dan kan ik me voorstellen dat je denkt; die heeft nog veel te leren. Maar dat is iets totaal anders dan hoe het door de media weer uitgemolken wordt.
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  10 nov 2022 - 09:35
nicovanos

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Je kan als coureur ook te veel weten. Dan zit je nooit comfortabel in de auto.
Maar ik heb Daniel ook wel eens horen zeggen dat als Max in gesprek was met zijn engineers, dat hij niet begreep waar ze het over hadden.
Ik weet niet wat ik nu moet geloven.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 11:49
Patrick_St

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Ik dacht altijd dat Riccardo Max een nerd noemde omdat hij zoveel technische kennis van de auto had.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 11:49
- Patrick_St
  
  Posts: 4.600
  Altijd jammer als je eerst refreshed voor je een post plaatst en dat er dan alsnog hetzelfde staat in de reactie hierboven...
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  9 nov 2022 - 11:50
- schwantz34
  
  Posts: 36.095
  Volgens Ric was Max een "whizz kid" op technisch gebied. Maar Ric kan er op technisch vlak natuurlijk ook zelf gewoon de ballen verstand van hebben natuurlijk ;)
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  9 nov 2022 - 11:52
- Astfgl
  
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  Ricciardo's gebrek aan technische kennis is ook juist één van de dingen die hem nu de das omdoet. Als hij in een auto terecht komt die hem niet ligt, dan blijkt hij niet in staat om de feedback te geven die nodig is om de auto zijn kant op te trekken, noch om zich aan te passen aan de situatie. Vergeleken bij hem zijn de meeste coureurs op de grid dus whizz kids.
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  9 nov 2022 - 13:36
- Televisie67
  
  Posts: 2.046
  Ik denk dat dat vooral met Max' voetbalkwaliteiten te maken had. Niet onterecht overigens.
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  9 nov 2022 - 14:08
- Larry Perkins
  
  Posts: 47.777
  Kielhalen en vierendelen die Guillaume Rocquelin.*
  
  Newey, GP, Honda en 'wij' hebben allang besloten dat Verstappen technisch zeer onderlegd is.
  Wat denkt dat Fransoosje wel niet, in zijn land kunnen ze niet eens een fatsoenlijke F1-motor ontwerpen...
  
  Kan me hier zo kwaad om maken hè, maar doe het toch maar niet.
  
  * niet letterlijk natuurlijk
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  9 nov 2022 - 14:59
- Ouw-sjagerijn
  
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  Patrick, Ricciardo bedoelde turd (drol) in plaats van nerd.
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  9 nov 2022 - 15:01
- Larry Perkins
  
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  Eigenlijk zou ik hierover de mening van Horner (en Marko) wel eens willen horen...
  En van Verstappen zelf uiteraard!
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  9 nov 2022 - 15:15
- Snork
  
  Posts: 18.653
  Volgens mij zit het wel snor met de kennis van Max. Het was Marko die eerder zei dat Max en GP elkaar perfect verstaan en vaak al met een paar ronden de auto goed afgesteld krijgen.
  Het maakt niet uit waar de kennis zit, als het tandem van coureur en race engineer zo samenwerken als Max en GP, dan is het goed.
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  9 nov 2022 - 20:24
- ViggenneggiV
  
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  Ik heb alle 80 reacties nog niet door geakkerd, maar wanneer is deze uitspraak gedaan en wanneer is het laatst geweest dat deze Fransoos met Verstappen gewerkt heeft op dit gebied?
  
  Beetje Franse slag zo een artikel zonder die informatie
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  9 nov 2022 - 23:38
tinustussengas1

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ik heb Adrian Newey wel eens wat anders horen zeggen.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 11:51
- StevenQ
  
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  en GP ook
  
  Verder sleutelde Max vroeger samen met Jos aan de karts
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  9 nov 2022 - 11:55
- LimboF1
  
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  Nee, Jos en zijn Opa sleutelde aan de karts en Max scheen daar niet al te veel om te geven. Dit zijn overigens de woorden van Jos.
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  9 nov 2022 - 13:10
- Senna014
  
  Posts: 511
  Met een technische vader die ook nog eens een zeer dominant karakter heeft is het niet bepaald gek dat de zoon amper tot geen kans krijgt zich technisch te ontwikkelen. Nog voor er een fout gemaakt kan worden om van te kunnen leren, wordt het gereedschap al uit de handen getrokken door de vader om het initiatief over te nemen.
  
  En dat is precies wat vaak te zien is in de beelden uit de oude doos wanneer Jos en Max aan een kart aan het sleutelen waren.
  
  Kortom, er kan best wel eens wat waarheid zitten in dit verhaal. Echter, haal ik er niet uit in hoeverre Verstappen zich in de loop der jaren heeft bijgeschoold. Geen idee dus of dit überhaupt nog een zwak punt genoemd kan worden.
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  9 nov 2022 - 16:45
- Gebruiker
  
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  Wellicht is dit bericht al achterhaald door de realiteit van nu!
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  9 nov 2022 - 19:26
oale

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Ik hecht meer waarde aan de woorden van Newey die exact het tegenovergestelde vertelde.

Daarbij geldt voor ex werknemers vaak, dat alleen controversiële uitspraken je (nog even) relevant houden in de snelle wereld vd F1.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 11:51
- StevenQ
  
  Posts: 9.179
  Was het niet Honda die recent vertelde zoveel aan de feedback van Max gehad te hebben bij de ontwikkeling van hun motor?
  
  "Honda-topman vol lof over Verstappen: ‘Vooral Max leverde feedback’"
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  9 nov 2022 - 12:17
- StevenQ
  
  Posts: 9.179
  "Honda vol lof over Max Verstappen vanwege zijn voortdurende feedback over de motorenontwikkeling"
  
  "Max’s feedback was key to Honda development"
  
  "Honda: 'Feedback Verstappen heeft onze ontwikkeling versneld'"
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  9 nov 2022 - 12:19
- ThumbsUp
  
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  Maar feedback geven is totaal iets anders als technisch onderlegd zijn. En aan karts sleutelen is ook totaal iets anders dan een F1 wagen, niet te vergelijken.. Behalve de basics. 4 wielen en een motor. Ik sleutelde vroeger ook met mn pa aan de motorfiets. Maar technisch weet ik er nog steeds vrij weinig van.
  
  Maar buiten dat twijfel ik niet aan de technische kennis van Max, dat zit echt wel snor
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  9 nov 2022 - 13:04
- Televisie67
  
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  Mensen van hetvtesm zelf zullen natuurlijk nooit wat kritisch zeggen in dit opzicht.
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  9 nov 2022 - 21:47
Schumi86

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Daarom is Max ontzetend goed in de simulator, die gast zorgt voor veel data in no-time.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 11:54
- NoBullshit
  
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  Daar zeg je wat...wellicht moet RedBull aan Max een fulltime simulator contract aanbieden. De auto wordt dan ZO goed dat elke geit, koe of wolf met zo'n ding het WK wint :)
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  10 nov 2022 - 10:15
Ouw-sjagerijn

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Guillaume Rocquelin heeft het helemaal mis, ik lees hier toch altijd dat Max zo technisch is.....nou weet ik het ook niet meer hoor.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 12:00
- Ouw-sjagerijn
  
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  Zal wel 'n vergissing zijn denk.
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  9 nov 2022 - 15:05
HarryLam

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Daar geloof ik dus helemaal niets van.........integendeel.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 12:07
Maximo

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Gelukkig hebben ze bij RB Max ingehuurd om de wagen te besturen en top engineers om aan de wagen te sleutelen.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 12:09
patrob

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Ben ik trouwens de enige die zich afvraagd wat een completerende coureur precies inhoudt?
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- 9 nov 2022 - 12:21
- SEN1
  
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  Ik struikelde ook al completerend over dat woord.
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  9 nov 2022 - 14:02
- arone
  
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  noop, heb ook al lopen Googlenderen
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  9 nov 2022 - 14:37
- Snork
  
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  Vraag het even aan B o b.
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  9 nov 2022 - 20:26
ikwilookreageren

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Ik meende dat er in 'whatever it takes' een anekdote was dat max niet wist wat een kroonsteentje was, alsof hij nooit bij de tandarts kwam
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- 9 nov 2022 - 12:28
- VestAan
  
  Posts: 489
  Een kroonsteentje heeft ook niets met F1 te maken, al is het wel algemene huis-tuin- en keuken electro kennis.
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  9 nov 2022 - 12:42
- OneRace
  
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  Aha…kroonsteentje!!! Dan snap ik de achterstand van sommige teams 😉
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  9 nov 2022 - 12:52
- StevenQ
  
  Posts: 9.179
  In een F1 wagen of welke auto dan ook gebruiken ze hopelijk geen kroonsteentjes
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  9 nov 2022 - 13:47
- flyineddy
  
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  @StevenQ
  Nee, in de F1 gebruiken ze nog gewoon ouderwetse draailasdoppen. 😜
  
  Eddy.
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  9 nov 2022 - 13:54
- Pietje2013
  
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  Weet Max wel wat een krimpkousje is?
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  9 nov 2022 - 13:56
- flyineddy
  
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  @Pietje
  Of een mof?
  
  Eddy.
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  9 nov 2022 - 14:09
- f(1)orum
  
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  Een kroonsteentje is toch een diamantje in de kroon van een of andere koning? ;-)
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  9 nov 2022 - 14:24
- Larry Perkins
  
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  Een kroonsteentje is een medische term, zit tussen een galsteentje en een niersteentje in...
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  9 nov 2022 - 15:08
- Snork
  
  Posts: 18.653
  Een krimpkousje is toch gewoon een ander woord voor een condoom? Toch? Nee? Oh…
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  9 nov 2022 - 20:27
Trekhaak

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Technisch, mehh boeie.. sinds ik als neutrale zondag middag F1 'fan' Max door Blanchimont zag inhalen met 300+ km/h ben ik weer gaan kijken, en zag een gappie met mega ballen.

Dus laat de techniek maar over aan de techneuten.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 12:30
jd2000

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Ach, als je iedere race met je auto vooraan de grid staat, heb je toch wel iets goed gedaan lijkt mij.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 12:32
- RBH2019
  
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  Wat heeft dat met technische kennis te maken?
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  9 nov 2022 - 15:09
- jd2000
  
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  Voor afstellen en aanvoelen van een auto heb je technische kennis nodig. Om feedback te geven waar een engineer wat mee kan, moet je technisch goed onderlegd zijn
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  9 nov 2022 - 16:27
- RBH2019
  
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  Wat een onzin zeg. Om aan te geven of je last hebt van onderstuur of overstuur in een bocht hoef je geen engineer te zijn. Daar heb je pas technische kennis voor nodig...
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  9 nov 2022 - 19:11
RJHvandaag

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Info voor kennisgeving aangenomen. Altijd lastig in te schatten wat ervan waar is, en in hoeverre dit interessantdoenerij is van een ex-werknemer.
Zoveel mensen, zoveel meningen.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 12:39
da_bartman

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Ik had van verschillende mensen, waaronder Newey , begrepen dat Max heel specifiek en gedetailleerd kon aangeven wat hem op dat moment aan de auto niet of wel bevalt. Voor de vertaling naar de techniek hebben ze bij RB vast wel engineers lopen die daar voor zijn opgeleid. Is juist de betere taakverdeling, je moet helemaal niet hebben dat een coureur (die daar niet is in opgeleid) gaat meedenken over technische oplossingen.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 12:45
Snelrondje

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Ai! Dit is slecht nieuws voor de concurrentie. Max is nu al zo lastig te verslaan. Hoe veel sterker wordt hij als hij aan zijn zwakke punt gaat werken? Is hij dan niet meer te verslaan?
Waarschijnlijk gaat dit bericht over de periode dat Max in de F1 kwam. Ja hij had toen maar 1 jaar ervaring in de formule auto’s. Aan de andere kant geeft ook Marko regelmatig aan dat Max nog verder zal groeien. En dat is slecht nieuws voor de concurrentie.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 13:08
- mario
  
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  Goed nieuws voor de concurrentie.... Max zit de komende jaren met z'n neus in de mechanica- en elektronicaboeken....
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  10 nov 2022 - 03:36
Knalpijp

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Geen monteur maar chauffeur
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- 9 nov 2022 - 13:26
LimboF1

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Schijnbaar heeft men het toch moeilijk ermee dat Max niet op alle vlakken zo geweldig is.
Deze man heeft de mogelijkheid om de coureurs te vergelijken en doet dit waarschijnlijk aan de hand van een vraag die men hem stelt, maar fans lijken het dan ongeloofwaardig, tegenstrijdig of wat dan ook te vinden. Het is toch geen schande dat een coureur weinig echte technische kennis heeft? Er zijn coureurs die zich daar niet voor interesseren en dat kan en mag, ik denk dat een coureur die echte technische kennis heeft misschien in de ontwikkeling van de auto iets meer input kan hebben. Maar in de basis weten ze allemaal wat ze willen in een auto en hoe ze willen dat die zich gedraagt en die feedback geven ze de engineers. De technische kennis zoals Schumacher dat had zullen er maar weinig hebben en het schijnt aan de woorden op ORF van Newey en Marko dat Vettel ook een behoorlijke echte technische kennis heeft, iets wat volgens Newey maar weinig coureurs hebben. En feedback en echte technische kennis is niet hetzelfde, al is de vraag in hoeverre echte technische kennis heden ten dagen nog nodig is. Coureurs testen nog maar weinig tegenover vroeger en het meeste komt uit simulatoren en computer.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 13:29
- Box Box Box
  
  Posts: 551
  Ooit al eens gelezen dat
  Good old Heinz Harald,
  ook zo,n technisch wonder was, dat ze bij Jordan wel eens opmerkte, hij wil de auto ontwerpen en racen
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  9 nov 2022 - 13:43
- RBH2019
  
  Posts: 5.888
  Het is natuurlijk vreemd om je mening te baseren op deze bron, een voormalig medewerker, terwijl er ook talloze andere mensen zijn die nu nog wel actief zijn in de F1 die precies het tegenovergestelde zeggen. Waarom geloof je die ene wel maar al die anderen niet?
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  9 nov 2022 - 15:11
- Snelrondje
  
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  @Box, Gasly was ook zo’n technisch wonder. Het schijnt dat Neway bang voor concurrentie was en dat Gasly om die reden pootje gewipt is.
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  9 nov 2022 - 16:11
McLM

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De statistieken wijzen dit ook uit. De regelwijzigingen in 2021 en 2022 hebben er voor gezorgd dat hij met de beste auto kampioen kon worden. Maar 2016 t/m 2020 heeft hij het niet zo naar zijn hand kunnen zetten zoals een Schumacher en Hamilton dit wel kunnen. Dus inderdaad helemaal gelijk.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 13:41
- StevenQ
  
  Posts: 9.179
  Hamilton had geluk op het juiste moment bij Mercedes te komen, Schumacher nam een heel team mee(Brawn en Byrne voorop)
  
  Dat heeft weinig met hun technisch inzicht te maken
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  9 nov 2022 - 13:50
- da_bartman
  
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  Hamilton kwam in een gespreid bedje bij Mercedes....... hij moest alleen een jaartje wachten tot ze eindelijk die raketmotor, die ze hadden liggen er eindelijk in mochten hangen
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  9 nov 2022 - 14:02
- Larry Perkins
  
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  RB was sowieso kansloos met die Renault-motor...
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  9 nov 2022 - 15:12
- RBH2019
  
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  Haha in 2016 werd Rosberg kampioen, hilarisch dit.
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  9 nov 2022 - 15:12
- Snelrondje
  
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  Je bedoelt die Hamilton die met 50 pk extra voor het veld uit cruiste? Hilarisch!
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  9 nov 2022 - 16:15
- Runningupthathill
  
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  "Schumacher nam een heel team mee(Brawn en Byrne voorop)"
  Rory Byrne was met pensioen gegaan na 95, Schumacher en dezijne hebben hem (waarschijnlijk met voldoende dollars) overtuigd van terug te keren uit pensioen.
  
  Op zich is het niet heel anders als wat Red Bull bij het begin van hun bestaan heeft gedaan. Direct Newey weggekocht als die optie er kwam en nog een hoop ander duur en gekend personeel. Toch duurde het tot de grote regelwijziging van 2009 vooraleer ze mee konden.
  
  Technische kennis is in deze tijd ook helemaal niet meer zo belangrijk. Midden jaren 90 tot eind jaren 90 waren de gloriejaren hier nog voor. Daarvoor zeker, Lauda als bekendste voorbeeld. De opkomst van de computer heeft dat minder en minder nuttig gemaakt.
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  9 nov 2022 - 19:32
GHM65

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Ik denk dat Rocquelin z'n langste tijd gehad heeft bij RB.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 14:27
- Numnum
  
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  Ik denk dat je het woord "voormalig" compleet hebt gemist...
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  9 nov 2022 - 20:16
- GHM65
  
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  @Numnum Daar heb je volkomen gelijk in.
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  9 nov 2022 - 22:41
- mario
  
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  Hij is niet weg bij RB.....
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  10 nov 2022 - 03:40
Televisie67

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Tsja, erg verrassend is het niet. Je lijkt ook te zien dat met de invloed van Pereze de feedback verbeterd is zodat de auto gewoon makkelijker afgesteld kan worden op de wensen van de coureurs. Daar hoorde je nogal wat ruis over de afgelopen jaren, sinds Ricciardo vertrokken was.

De generatie van Verstappen, de 'gamers' zegmaar, zijn goed met data, maar niet alles is met digitale data te benaderen. Zaken als het afstellen van de auto, snappen wat een aanpassing doet qua onderdelen, wat kan werken qua technisch concept zoals een langere en kortere auto, hogere en langere rake, een bepaald type ophanging, en de veranderingen daaraan (wat voor een flink deel met ervaring te maken heeft) kun je slechts beperkt benaderen via de data. En zaken als banden al helemaal, aangezien de data daarover zelfs van Pirelli zelf niet klopt.

Zeker dat laatste schijnen ze met Perez enorme stappen mee gemaakt te hebben. Perez is bij Sauber deel geweest van een groep mensen dat vooral voorgestaan werd door Jan Matsusaki en Kamui Kobayashi die daar een benadering voor gevonden hebben die anderen niet op dat niveau hadden. Renger van der Zande heeft met Kobayashi gewerkt bij Cadillac, en die gaf ook aan dat Kobayasi in de eerste dagen al feedback had op de banden die voor hem compleet nieuw waren waar ze een hoop aan gehad hebben.

Maar dit is dus niet zomaar op basis van ervaring, maar ook dat ze zich specifiek ingesteld hebben om meer technische kennis te onderhouden.
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- 9 nov 2022 - 14:35
Dunderklumpen

Posts: 339
Ik had begrepen dat Seb z'n engineers af en toe tot waanzin dreef met ellenlange 'technical debriefs'. Deed Schumacher ook volgens mij, lekker grondig. Duits dingetje?
- + 0
- 9 nov 2022 - 15:09
- Televisie67
  
  Posts: 2.046
  Schumacher was technisch ook niet echt onderlegd, juust doordat hij zo goed was en overal snel in was en dus nooit geleerd heeft een auto te optimaliseren. Dat stelt Irvine iig. Het waren hij en later Massa Badoer en Barrichello die het intwikkelwerk deden.
  + 0
  
  9 nov 2022 - 21:50
Primavera31

Posts: 451
Mathilda :"The files are INSiDE the computer"

Hansel: Starts banging op een IMac als een aap.

---Zoolander
- + 1
- 9 nov 2022 - 15:19
Deoranjecamping

Posts: 2.911
En het orange army incoming.
Dit kan natuurlijk niet Rokkelin beetje max op de korrel nemen! Max is buitenaards.
- + 3
- 9 nov 2022 - 15:21
- OneRace
  
  Posts: 2.240
  Stel je voor dat Verstappen nóg beter wordt, dan kan je je campingkje niet meer aan.
  + 1
  
  9 nov 2022 - 15:30
- schwantz34
  
  Posts: 36.095
  Hoe jij al die 33+ acountjes weet te runnen is ook buitenaards @Putmans. Ik heb mijn handen al vol aan mijn enige eigen dikke Schwantz.
  + 1
  
  9 nov 2022 - 21:55
World Traveller

Posts: 668
Ach de CEO van Apple kan ook geen computer of telefoon repareren.....hoeft ie toch ook niet?
- + 0
- 9 nov 2022 - 18:18
Numnum

Posts: 4.863
Rechtsom vast, linksom los en een knopje "Turbo Boost". Meer hoef je niet te weten toch?
- + 0
- 9 nov 2022 - 20:14
- schwantz34
  
  Posts: 36.095
  Zo'n "Turbo Boost knopje" moet je als coureur niet eens willen, na de landing krijg je alleen maar een bull last van overstekende bruinvissen...
  + 0
  
  9 nov 2022 - 21:34
Pietje Bell

Posts: 21.588
Max is zojuist om 21:20u onze tijd geland in Sao Paolo.

Vertaald van Twitter:

Max Verstappen is al in São Paulo. De kampioen van het seizoen arriveerde maandag in Brazilië, hij bracht twee dagen door in Brasília.

Video van de landing met commentaar:
twitterPUNTcom/desacelerandof1/status/1590448453204979712
- + 0
- 9 nov 2022 - 22:07
- Pietje Bell
  
  Posts: 21.588
  Originele filmer.
  
  Tweet
  + 0
  
  9 nov 2022 - 22:11
Pietje Bell

Posts: 21.588
Deze is leuk. Een foto van de jonge Sophie, Max zijn moeder, die precies op Perez lijkt.
Zie ook de foto bij de reacties.

Tweet
- + 0
- 9 nov 2022 - 22:24
This Guy 33

Posts: 230
Het is commentaar van iemand die nog steeds bij RB werkt, het was overigens een vergelijking met Vettel, toen ze bij Red Bull in het stoeltje kwamen zitten.
Volgens mij geeft hij slechts aan waar Verstappen zich nog zou kunnen verbeteren als een nog completere coureur.

Ik lees overal commentaar op de uitspraak van deze man, het is toch niet verboden om verbeterpunten op te noemen bij de toch al extreem goede sportman?

Het zou saai zijn als alles perfect was aan Verstappen, die nu al af en toe als een computer te werk gaat.
- + 0
- 10 nov 2022 - 09:08
SennaS

Posts: 6.005
Poeh, deze vraagt gast om hier afgebrand te worden, hoe durft hij.
- + 0
- 10 nov 2022 - 18:21

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