Sargeant vindt overstap van F2 naar F1 te groot

  • Gepubliceerd op 07 jan 2024 16:43
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  • Door: Martijn Arnoldus & Bob Plaizier

Logan Sargeant prijst de Formule 2 als opleidingsklasse, maar de Williams-coureur heeft nog wel op -en aanmerkingen over het verschil met de Formule 1. Volgens de Amerikaan komt er in de hoogste tak van autosport meer kijken dan alleen maar gas geven.

"Het heeft absoluut 100% geholpen", begint Sargeant tegen Motorsport.com. "Ik denk dat de F2 een geweldige serie is met geweldige coureurs, maar ik denk dat de kloof tussen de auto's waarschijnlijk iets te groot is voor wat het zou moeten zijn."

"Er zijn zoveel meer fijne details in de F1, en er zijn zoveel meer dingen die bijdragen aan de prestaties dan alleen maar in de auto stappen en rijden zoals je doet in de F2. Er zijn zoveel dingen die je kunt doen op het gebied van rijden waar je in een F2-auto niet genoeg aan kunt doen."

De Williams-rijder doelt mede op de complexiteit van een F1-wagen met allerlei functies en opties om de bolide optimaal te laten functioneren. Volgens de 23-jarige uit Florida is dat in de Formule 2 niet aan de orde. ''Ik heb het gevoel dat dat het stukje is dat je mist.  In de F2 stap je gewoon in en rijd je, terwijl er in de F1 zoveel dingen moeten gebeuren voordat je snel kunt zijn.En dat is iets wat de F2 zeker mist.  En ja, de auto's zijn naar mijn mening niet helemaal snel genoeg."

Lobster50

Posts: 53

Verstappen? Die heeft nooit F2 gereden, daar zal hij dus geen mening over hebben.

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  • 7 jan 2024 - 17:17

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  • Norris, Leclerc, Hamilton, Alonso, Verstappen en <vul zelf in wat je wil> vinden de overgang acceptabel.

    • + 0
    • 7 jan 2024 - 16:53
    • Lobster50

      Posts: 53

      Verstappen? Die heeft nooit F2 gereden, daar zal hij dus geen mening over hebben.

      • + 14
      • 7 jan 2024 - 17:17
    • Mick34

      Posts: 995

      Geeft aan dat hij in ieder geval geen natuurtalent is. Coureurs als Raikkonen, Massa, Button en natuurlijk Verstappen kwamen rechtstreeks uit de F3. Ik durf het zelfs wel aan te zeggen dat Max ook rechtstreeks vanuit karting de stap had kunnen maken.

      • + 6
      • 7 jan 2024 - 18:01
    • @Mick Maar Max had Jos hé. Logan had een Sargeant als vader, dus die had gewoon veel beter het leger in kunnen gaan.

      • + 5
      • 7 jan 2024 - 19:26
    • Voor verstappen was van F3 naar F1 al niet te groot. Wat denk je, Lobster50?
      Zou dan van F2 naar F1 wel te groot zijn?

      Overigens was Kimi ook iemand die binnen kwam met een bang, zoals Mick34 aangeeft.

      Ik vind het wel moeilijk om de verhoudingen toen met nu te vergelijken.

      • + 0
      • 7 jan 2024 - 19:30
    • Het verschil is te groot, dat geeft niet alleen Logan aan maar ook diverse mensen in de F1 die er verstand van hebben. Het gevolg daarvan is dat mensen F2 kunnen winnen maar niet goed genoeg zijn voor F1, precies wat we de laatste jaren zien.

      Als de verschillen kleiner worden, dan is de kans groter dat een F2 winnaar het in F1 ook goed gaat doen en is het risico voor een F1 team om een rookie achter het stuur te zetten minder groot. Dat lijkt me voor iedereen beterder.

      • + 0
      • 7 jan 2024 - 20:04
    • Het verschil is helemaal niet groot. De beste rijders slagen altijd voldoende in F1. Piastri bewees het dit jaar nog. De echte talenten zullen altijd slagen.

      • + 4
      • 7 jan 2024 - 20:10
    • "Raikkonen, Massa, Button en natuurlijk Verstappen"

      Massa werd kampioen in de F3000 in 2001.

      • + 0
      • 7 jan 2024 - 21:05
    • Misschien moet Williams Sargeant eerst nog een jaartje naar Japan sturen...

      • + 1
      • 7 jan 2024 - 21:10
    • Oritszan

      Posts: 20

      Al die dingen die Logan benoemd hebben in principe niets met puur race-talent te maken.
      De hoeveelheden instellingen die coureurs moeten veranderen per ronde is enorm (dat hadden Raikkonen, Alonso etc niet in die tijd). Verstappen stapte de F1 in in een veel tragere en kleinere F1 auto. Daarnaast is Piastri in een beter team terecht gekomen tov Seargant, die auto van McLaren is 'zo veel makkelijker' te besturen dan een Wiliams.

      • + 0
      • 7 jan 2024 - 21:43
    • Verstappen en Piastri moesten gewoon in een hybride auto stappen met zo veel meer instellingen en aanpassingen. Om een auto hard te rijden en optimaal moet in de F1 voor elke bocht worden aangepast.
      Men moet ook plots veel meer en beter banden managen. Men moet veel langer geconcentreerd zijn. Men gaat van een team met een paar mensen naar een team met 100 man (weet het exacte aantal niet) on track.

      Dit is waarschijnlijk een heel kleine lijst. En o ja. Ze moeten ook nog hard gaan.

      Overigens als je denkt dat snelheid het moeilijker maakt dan heb je het mis. Het enige dat lastiger wordt is inhalen. De rijders moeten nog steeds in een split seconde en op een cm nauwkeurig sturen en remmen. Alles op de limiet in kwalificatie.

      En beweren dat Piastri het makkelijker heeft omdat hij in een betere auto zit is zeker niet waar. Sargeant die helemaal achteraan rijdt heeft het makkelijker. Niemand om zich geen. Niemand waar hij tegen aan kan rijden. Toch crashte Sargeant veel meer dan Piastri, terwijl Piastri veel meer om posities reed. Piastri had een lastiger perspectief in 2023 dan Sargeant. Piastri deed soms mee met de grote mannen. Hij deed dat verdienstelijk tot erg goed. Vaker verdienstelijk dan goed, maar hij deed het.

      Piastri toonde aan dat het verschil niet te groot is. Daarvoor deden zo'n beetje 75% van de rijders dat. De gene die niet goed genoeg zijn vallen af. En dat is terecht wat mij betreft. Soms mag er een rijder wat langer blijven, maar ik kan nu niet zeggen dat ik bijvoorbeeld Zhou ga missen mocht hij vervangen worden. Net als de Vries, Latifi en hoe heet die rus ook al weer.
      Maar even een paar benoemen die het wel met gemak waar maakten. Piastri, Sainz, Norris, Leclerc, Russell, Gasly, Ocon. Allemaal rijders die het gewoon met gemak deden. En dan is er ook nog Verstappen die de F2 oversloeg. Stroll sloeg volgens mij ook F2 over. Maar die wordt gehandhaafd door zijn pa.

      Het huidige F1 veld toont zonder enige twijfel aan dat het gat niet te groot is.

      • + 3
      • 7 jan 2024 - 22:08
    • Axel

      Posts: 2.328

      @Oritszan, zoveel trager is een F1 auto uit 2015 t.o.v. een F1 auto 2023 toch niet?

      • + 0
      • 8 jan 2024 - 00:20
    • "Misschien moet Williams Sargeant eerst nog een jaartje naar Japan sturen.."

      Dat wordt dan een kamikaze coureur @Larry.....

      • + 0
      • 8 jan 2024 - 09:59
    • RDLN

      Posts: 5

      @Axel tussen de pole tijd van Hamilton (2015) en Verstappen (2023) zit ongeveer 2,9 seconden. De langzaamste tijd van 2023 (Pierre Gasly) was 1,4 seconden sneller geweest dan pole position in 2015. Het verschil is dus aardig groot.

      • + 1
      • 8 jan 2024 - 12:22
  • Kotor

    Posts: 6

    Tja als je jezelf niks leert, zoals drinken bijvoorbeeld dan is elke stap te groot.

    • + 1
    • 7 jan 2024 - 17:47
  • JV fan

    Posts: 2.523

    @Mick34 , verschil is wel dat de tijd van Button, Alonso en Massa ze duizenden test kilometers konden maken , (Button teste voor hij bij Williams kwam de Prost en Mclaren , en Alonso had natuurlijk al connecties bij Benetton en teste al voor Minardi in 1999 .. , en het gat tussen gp2 en F1 in 2015 was niet al te groot , op sommige circuits zouden de GP2 auto al rond plek 19 hebben gekwalificeerd.. ;) Die luxe had Sargeant niet..

    • + 0
    • 8 jan 2024 - 00:47
  • Probleem is meer dat f2 teams meer gelijk zijn en dat het op de rijder aankomt. Dan als je naar f1 stapt heb je nie de beste wagen ivm de echte talenten naar de betere teams gaan.
    Dan heb je in f2 goed gedaan maar kan je bij williams niet meedoen met de rijders ivm materiaal

    • + 0
    • 8 jan 2024 - 06:18
  • shakedown

    Posts: 756

    De overstap is groot. erg groot. Is dat erg? Nee, dat denk ik niet. De overstap moet ook groot zijn. En ja je kunt meer vermogen in de F2 stoppen of meer downforce. Dan nog blijft de overstap groot. Vermogen stelt niets voor. Dat heeft iedereen met 10 rondje wel gezien. Downforce zal iets meer wennen zijn. Remmen daar in tegen is wel een wereld van verschil. Daar blijft een geheel nieuwe ervaring voor F2 rijders. Daarnaast zijn, zoals anderen ook al melden, juist alle mogelijkheden en instellingen een enorme verandering. Daar gaat veel tijd en energie inzitten

    Opzich zijn dit allemaal dingen die een getalenteerde rijder wel moet kunnen behappen. Echter daar wringt de schoen.
    Het talent in de F2... De laatste jaren rijd daar weinig echt talent rond. Leclerc, Russell, de Vries, Schumacher, Drugovich, Pourchaire, Piastri.

    LeClerc en Russel is alweer 6 en 7 jaar geleden... Daarna is het huilen met de pet op.

    Dat Piastri de sprong goed doorstaan heeft ook te maken met dat Alpine erg veel tijd in hem gestoken heeft. En gelukkig laat Piastri nu zien dat dat terecht was. Al had en heb ik nog steeds mijn twijfels over Piastri. Kan hij echt doorbreken of is dit de top van zijn kunnen. Dat is altijd afwachten.

    Ik hoop echt zo dat er echt nieuw talent op staat de aankomende jaren. De laatste 7 jaar zijn er 2 vaste waarden in de F1 terecht gekomen. 1 lijkt het erop dat dat wel goed gaat komen en de rest is kansloos... Toch wel erg mager...

    • + 2
    • 8 jan 2024 - 08:45
  • Hij had beter nog ff in de F2 kunnen blijven.

    • + 0
    • 8 jan 2024 - 12:43

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